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Griff said:
I heard they were not allowed but why not?
It's as simple as "Jeremy Bernal has informed the e621 administration that his works are not allowed to be hosted on the site.".
That's really all there is to it. And he's hardly the only one; all of the artists on our Avoid Posting list have done the same: http://e621.net/wiki/show?title=avoid_posting
As i've heard, Bernal has threatened to sue at least once.
Cause Bernal is a whiny lil'...mongler.
Technically we're supposed to ask the artist who made the work before we upload it here in the first place, right?
But then it ends up being one of those things like speed limits or copyright law or tariffs on imported textiles
Kotep said:
tariffs on imported textiles
Do those actually exist? ._.;;
They were linked to the start of the Civil War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff
Tariffs were imposed because the manufacturing industries of the growing US couldn't compete with the cheap goods of established countries like England. It was a big issue between northern and southern states because the northern states got most of the benefits from taxing imports.
Kotep said:
They were linked to the start of the Civil War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_TariffTariffs were imposed because the manufacturing industries of the growing US couldn't compete with the cheap goods of established countries like England. It was a big issue between northern and southern states because the northern states got most of the benefits from taxing imports.
I see...
Mario583 said:
Cause Bernal is a whiny lil'...mongler.
Bad for him. He doesn't let his art spread even more, though I've seen his images on other sites :/
If I were an artist (not saying I am, I suck at drawing) I wouldn't care much if my art suddenly appeared here, meh.
Kotep said:
Technically we're supposed to ask the artist who made the work before we upload it here in the first place, right?
Well yeah, but if the artist itself uploads his/hers images, wich is the case of [REDACTED], [REMOVED], [SOPA'D] and many others, does that count as a permission automatically?
...how does an artist upload an image without their own permission?
Is there reflexive permission?
my head hurts
Well, even if someone used an account with the same name as an artist, if the artist is already DNP then I'd imagine the admins would have to assume that the image was posted without authorization, and they would delete it.
So a DNP artist would have to work something out where they're generally DNP, with exceptions.
ikdind said:
Well, even if someone used an account with the same name as an artist, if the artist is already DNP then I'd imagine the admins would have to assume that the image was posted without authorization, and they would delete it.So a DNP artist would have to work something out where they're generally DNP, with exceptions.
That would be trolling. But I guess so, artist or not, DNP is DNP and it should not be uploaded here
AbsebaroKoon said:
Yeah, I question about uploads by the artist themselves. If an artist is DNP but if the actual artist uploads it themselves, does it get approved?
Yes, provided that they verify that they are the artist (sending a PM from their FA account or similar). For example, Frisky Ferals is DNP (because it's a paysite and they requested it). However, Otterface uploads Frisky Ferals art, and it gets approved because Otterface is one of the artists and represents the team behind the website.
Raiden_Gekkou said:
As i've heard, Bernal has threatened to sue at least once.
Heh and I would laugh my ass off as someone presents his animal porn in court :P
AbsebaroKoon said:
Nah, as long as they censor the nude parts. But anyways, agreed.
Yeah, cause that would make it not awkward.
John Doe #29’s counsel represents that his client is an octogenarian with neither the wherewithal nor the interest in using BitTorrent to download Gang Bang Virgins.
Please ponder this before pontificating on what is and is not too awkward to present in court.
Char said:
It's as simple as "Jeremy Bernal has informed the e621 administration that his works are not allowed to be hosted on the site.".That's really all there is to it. And he's hardly the only one; all of the artists on our Avoid Posting list have done the same: http://e621.net/wiki/show?title=avoid_posting
Okay that's simple. I thought it was a administration preference. *shrugs*
Sorry to, hipothetically, reopen the thread, but what if Bernal (or somebody else) decides to upload an image announcing something he will be doing? Like promoting free post-any-where-you want art.
Incidentally
Bernal doesn't have good art
xLuna said:
what if Bernal (or somebody else) decides to upload an image announcing something he will be doing? Like promoting free post-any-where-you want art.
Same answer as with the more general DNP artist question from before. I believe the policy is that a DNP artist is DNP in all ways unless an exception is noted, including "free" or "promo" materials.
The admins don't know user JeremyBernal from user RonJeremy, except by IP addresses, which is really only useful for finding ban evaders, spammers, and other ne'er-do-wells who make multiple accounts. The admins have started trying to get artists' accounts confirmed as artists through their FA or other art accounts, but unless the artist makes that effort, the account could belong to anybody. It could belong to the Pope for all the admins know. And if the Pope is Jeremy Bernal, then I'm Ron Jeremy and this is my favorite store on the Citadel.
So anyone could make a user account and name it JeremyBernal. That doesn't mean they are actually Jeremy Bernal. So if a user account named JeremyBernal decides to post Bernal's work, the admins would probably take it down, regardless of whether the account claimed to be Bernal. If it's not confirmed, the account name is worthless.
Artists can choose not to be on an imageboard for a lot of reasons, not all of them purely commercial. For instance, an artist may not want to be associated with pornography (a natural association given the overwhelming majority of content on this site). Or the artist may wish to control the channels of distributing their work because they don't understand the Internet or viral marketing. Or the artist may have a hate-boner for e621, itself. Or other reasons.
In the case of Bernal, with specificity, you must also understand that he has been somewhat "special", in that he has been especially threatening about having his artwork removed. Ditto Sexyfur. In fact SexyFur gets special mention on the DNP for disallowing promo materials. So if promo materials would normally be deleted along with everything else, special mention reiterating that policy should underscore how seriously the admins have to take the matter in order to avoid being sued.
There are some artists on the DNP which have exceptions listed. Read the DNP for details.
GreyMaria said:
Bernal doesn't have good art
Pretty much this. It isn't even attractive.
xLuna said:
Sorry to, hipothetically, reopen the thread, but what if Bernal (or somebody else) decides to upload an image announcing something he will be doing? Like promoting free post-any-where-you want art.
He would probably have to directly request removal from the DNP list, I think. Not that he would ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do this.
GreyMaria said:
IncidentallyBernal doesn't have good art
Where can I vote this up?
Bernal's doing the world a favor by not allowing his art anywhere.
We delete bernals art on sight, because bernal is a whiny cockgobling tit that needs to realize his artwork is shit and fuck off already. That and he will actually sue people over his internet furry porn. Yeah.
Disclaimer: The staff want to express quite clearly that this opinion is in no way endorsed by any other staff members of E621, and is purely the personal opinion of this particular person. We judge all artists fairly and treat artists with the respect they deserve while using our site.
Princess_Celestia said:
We delete bernals art on sight, because bernal is a whiny cockgobling tit that needs to realize his artwork is shit and fuck off already.
I thought that; Is really such a crybaby?
Princess_Celestia also said:
That and he will actually sue people over his internet furry porn. Yeah.
Heh, and I imagine again when presenting proof
xLuna said:
I thought that; Is really such a crybaby?
Yes. He really really is. It's kind of pathetic in a way. I wonder, whenever he's brought up, if he's really secretly lonely and wanting attention because his life is shit and this is really just because he's so miserable and empty, but then I remember he's a
Princess_Celestia said:
whiny cockgobling tit that needs to realize his artwork is shit and fuck off already.
-shrugs- I like his work.
AbsebaroKoon said:
Does any haz a pic of his work? I'll be the judge of how good they are.
Not on here. Just google it, you will get a decent sampling.
They are nice, but hardly worth being as bad as he is about them
I've actually chatted with Bernal before, and he's not the bloodthirsty asshole people think he is. Most of the DMCA's filed are done exclusively by his lawyers without him even knowing about it until the latter part of the process. Is he passionate about protecting his intellectual property? Of course. Is he the whiny drama-mongering dickbag everyone makes him out to be? I don't think so. At least not these days. Just chat him up on FA and see for yourself.
I remember talking about this the other day. He's at the top of his game and sometimes you have to break a few fingers to get there. It is his bussiness afterall; but I'm not sure if he's still so adamant about being aggressive.
GreyMaria said:
IncidentallyBernal doesn't have good art
Yeah i know. all his stuff looks alike but i do like Sasha ... for some reason.
I like demonbunny and orchid. Some of their pinups are flat out amazing.
Griff
Member10 months ago
Why isn't Jeremy Bernal's works on here?
In category: General
I heard they were not allowed but why not?