well, I more meant.. here's a pony picture with a TF2 character in it. It will slide past the my_little_pony -cameo filter. Or a pony picture with a companion cube might be a better example.

I'm not sure this is much of a solution at all honety... and it takes a whole lot of tagging effort. and then--how to determine what is or isn't a cameo? :C

I'm mostly staying out of this because I don't like this as an idea in general. it seems like pointless tag clutter made to appease a smaller group of people then the viewing base at large... and I wonder if a pool or something might be better suited for this sort of thing...

that said,. the idea of a tag used to denote that there is a small appearance of a franchised character in an image otherwise unfocused upon the characters from that franchise is not a bad one. but it does need to be clearly defined.

The biggest problem with this tag is that it is a tremendous undertaking.

For 'best effect' this tag needs to be on as many images as possible. That means retroactivly tagging every single image possible, not jsut the new images of that nature. SO how to find them? go through every single my_little_pony image? Every Sonic image? every the_lion_king image? .. .etc etc.. . that will take forever... if you try and narrow it down by searching for things like wolf the_lion_king or the_lion_king plushie you're still possibly missing out on HUGE swathes of potential posts. I mean, thinking about the number of potential pokemon cameos is terrifying.

and then there's still the issue of defining a cameo exactly. For the following examples, I'll be using my dear old friend the weighted_companion_cube

-- This is clearly a cameo. The companion cube has no focus in the image

-- is this a cameo? It's hard to tell. it's not the focus of the image but it's not a minor part of the image either.

-- Obviously not a cameo. This is a 'portal' themed image, furry aside, so the Companion cube belongs.

-- is this a companion cube cameo? or not? Probably not so much.

Lots of gray area D: HUGE project....

Rainbow_Crash said:
Leaving it as just "cameo" doesn't solve the problem either because as SnowWolf said, you could have any franchise making an appearance, such as TF2 cameos in MLP posts. But if you had TF2 blacklisted to begin with then it wouldn't show anyway; so although it doesn't fix the problem it would at least narrow it down more.

actually my specific point with mentioning that was that a pony-centric picture tagged Cameo because of a Pyro frolicking through the background would show up for the same reason that the girls playing video games with pony plushies on their beds would show up.

PhrozenFox said:
I could talk to at least 50 people who would be for this, but when I look at the avatars in this topic alone, I notice at least 80% are ponies.

I'm actually surprised Rainbow Crash is so keen on helping improve the quality of the site for those who dislike the pony fandom stuff.

This comment does not endear me to this idea any more then before. "The ponies want to take over the site!!11!" is not a new idea. The majority of the people here are interested in *making the site better* not shoving ponies down everyone's throat. I havn't seen anyone telling you OMG YOU SHOULD JUST EMBRACE DA PONI!!! or YOU'RE WRONG FOR HATING PONY. ... far from it, in fact. An idea was brought up, an idea was explored and I, with my experiences on this website with tags, expressed *my* dubiousness with the project and with the problems I saw.

This isn't for me, I'm just so far the only person with the right combination of audacity and intelligence not to try and say "PONY IZ GAY DIS IS FURI SITE"

Please respect that while it seems like we're surrounded with pony, that there's just as many people who would rather see the site done with it entirely.

And for those people, there is the blacklist. Just saying. The general rule for the previous life of the site has been "blacklist it if you don't want to see it." ... you are not the first person to say "but what about the hidden gems?!" ... the answer has generally always been to either blacklist it and be happy, or to not blacklist it and view carefully. I don't see why it being ponies is any different then someone who blacklists herms, foxes, dragons, lesbians, or any other wide category of image here.

I think the point of a booru is to have the most sophisticated tagging system possible, so as to filter a mass of images into a perfect stream of exactly what you want, or you have to refine your search.

Yes. This is true. But there's a limit to it. You notice we do not have a tag for 'vixen' That is because it is overly specific. In a 'perfect' world, there would be tags for every gender/species combination,, there would be tags specifically for big_tittied_wolf_girls_in_blue_bikinis_getting_nailed_by_buff_lion_guys_in_sunglasses. but that's too damn specific. So we have "female wolf big_breasts bikini sex muscles male lion sunglasses". which also happens to turn up a buff female lion being boned by a cross dressing wolf in a bikini with sunglasses in the sand. Or a wolf giving a lion a blow job. or a gang bang with a turtle a fox and three sharks. Or a sunbathing wolf in sunglasses with a lion off in the background with two chibi skunks in the background having sex. Tags are a tool. The blacklist is a tool. Tools have limits.

Perhaps the biggest limit with these tools is that we rely on people to tag everything. There are over 200 pages of posts that don't have a gender tagged on them. And a LOT of those are pictures where there are obvious sex organs, where all it takes is someone to type "female" on it. there are 68 pages where 'sex' is tagged, but there isn't any indication of it's gay, Lesbian, straight, masturbation or what. There thousands of pictures who are in need of having fur colors tagged. There are... so many pictures in need of tagging it's ridiculous.

When a new tag is proposed, it has to be looked at. What does the tag cover? how is the tag defined? how do we encourage it's use?

When it's something like "I think that socks should be better tagged depending on length" then that's pretty easy. go through the 'sock' tags and retag after laying out very careful rules of what sock tags are going to be used. there are only about 2000 sock related tags, after all.
When it's something like "I think skunks should be better tagged according to their markings, there's some discussion that needs to be had. Let's say we eventually decide it's better to tag off of markings (2-4 stripes, one thick stripe, spots, etc), there are only about 3500 skunk images, after all.

But for this.. we're looking at Every. Single. Franchise. Every. Single. Copyright. My little pony, pokemon, sonic, and digimon together, make up 43,000 images. and tha'ts not counting the... nummerous other less popular franchises like Mario, or Zelda or World of Warcraft or Star Fox. if it takes 5 seconds to look and determine if an image is a cameo or not, then that will take nearly 2 and a half days, assuming you do nothing but stare at your screen and tag cameos

That is what I'm trying to emphasize here. This is a huge. Bloody. Project.

To put it to scale, If I randomly decided that I wanted to tag every pussy image with words that DESCRIBE the pussy in question (plump labia, large pussy lips, sizeable clit, etc, etc) I would have less images to go through (38,500).

SO who is going to undertake this project? Speaking from experience, a lot of people are willing to say "I HAVE AN OPINION", but when it comes time to do the work, there are very few motivated volunteers. Much less, people willing to spend 60 hours working at a single project.

I think that a certain tag should have a threshold upon which we institute a cameo tag is required, say if a tag has at least 5000 posts under it, a cameo tag is required for small parts.

That's not how tags work. Tags belong on everything. EVERYTHING. that they apply to. That means pokemon (17,000 posts), sonic (5000 posts), the lion king (650) and wolf's rain (115) alike.

It's a project, yeah, but it's for the sake of furthering the site for users of all persuasion.

Certainly. And so is ensuring that the 5100 images that contain sex, yet are not tagged with any kind of orientation are tagged.

To be honest, just looking at pony pictures really piss me off, not because it's some TV show I disagree with, but because of the fact that almost every time I see one of those pictures, I see a smug, extremely uneducated or socially retarded post beside it. I'm really glad the community here is understanding enough to at least understand that pony is not for them.

I'm glad my smug, extremely uneducated and socially retarded post can be here for you in this post. I clearly don't know anything about what I'm talking about.

So with that in mind, who is going to undertake this project? Just one persoon will cut it down to about 30 hours of work. tha'ts not even a full time job, after all.

rainbow Crash: As for being a huge re-tag the index project, I think not. I'm seeing it as more of a simple "from now on and if you come across it browsing, tag it"

Tags don't take off very well like that. A tag isn't comprehensive in that circumstance. Tags should strive to be as comprehensive as possible. That's the point of them, after all.

Keep in mind that for every way YOU think of using this tag, someoen else will use it otherwise -- to FIND cameos, for example.

that said, will it be applied retroactively? no. because people don't want to spend the time to do that. They just kind of think it should happen somehow.