Tag Implication: lifts-her-tail -> lusty_argonian_maid

In category: Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions


I think it should be reversed, and ought to be an alias.


Clawdragons said:
I think it should be reversed, and ought to be an alias.

It seems people are also using the tag for posts that simply reference the meta-novel itself without containing the titular maid. ex:

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Rating: Questionable
Score: 8
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: July 05, 2017 blush capcom clothing dragon english_text female feral lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform membranous_wings monster_hunter parody rathian scalie solo text uniform unknown_artist video_games wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 22
User: Juni221
Date: October 13, 2013 4:3 black_sclera bludragoon blush clothing female feral gabite looking_at_viewer lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform nintendo pokémon pokémon_(species) solo text uniform unown video_games yellow_eyes

Rating: Questionable
Score: 15
User: Juni221
Date: August 23, 2013

Perhaps it should be disambiguated to lusty_argonian_maid_(copyright)? Feels weird, especially for a non-existent book without any real copyright information...

Another issue arises as the character has no actual canon appearance, so we're left to rely on either external knowledge, or just assume any Argonian in a maid_uniform is her.

Genjar
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anonymousanalogue said:
Another issue arises as the character has no actual canon appearance, so we're left to rely on either external knowledge--

Characters can be tagged by outside information, so that's no problem.

But I think we might need an another tag for Valsalia's character (pool #11903), since there's fanart specifically of her.


*squints a bit*

So.. just to make sure I"m operating on the right page:

Within the Elder scrolls world, there's a book, called "the lusty argonian maid", which stars a character named Lifts Her Tail?

Clawdragons said:
I think it should be reversed, and ought to be an alias.

I disagree, as the Lusty Argonian Maid is the title of a book/story/franchise, and Lifts Her Tail is a character in it.

A character implies a franchise, a franchise will not always imply a character (excepting, of course, a franchise where there is only a single character. Does such a thing exist? I'm sure it does.)

anonymousanalogue said:
It seems people are also using the tag for posts that simply reference the meta-novel itself without containing the titular maid. ex:

2016 absurd_res anthro anthrofied big_breasts breasts clothing cranidos crossover_fanart feather_duster female gshtkatt hi_res legwear licking lust lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform nintendo pokémon pokémon_(species) pokémorph reptile scalie skyrim stockings the_elder_scrolls tongue tongue_out traditional_media_(artwork) uniform upskirt video_games white_panties

Rating: Questionable
Score: 8
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: July 05, 2017 blush capcom clothing dragon english_text female feral lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform membranous_wings monster_hunter parody rathian scalie solo text uniform unknown_artist video_games wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 22
User: Juni221
Date: October 13, 2013 4:3 black_sclera bludragoon blush clothing female feral gabite looking_at_viewer lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform nintendo pokémon pokémon_(species) solo text uniform unown video_games yellow_eyes

Rating: Questionable
Score: 15
User: Juni221
Date: August 23, 2013

Perhaps it should be disambiguated to lusty_argonian_maid_(copyright)? Feels weird, especially for a non-existent book without any real copyright information...

I don't really see why it should. Anyone looking for something about the Lusty Argonian maid will probably be interested in any of that. If they specifically want argonians they can search for lusty_argonian_maid argonian

Another issue arises as the character has no actual canon appearance, so we're left to rely on either external knowledge, or just assume any Argonian in a maid_uniform is her.

I'd say that seems fair enough.

We can recognize a number of characters/franchises based off of very little information:

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Anyway, even if it's 'cosplay' so to speak, it's still appropriate, I think.


SnowWolf said:
I disagree, as the Lusty Argonian Maid is the title of a book/story/franchise, and Lifts Her Tail is a character in it.

A character implies a franchise, a franchise will not always imply a character (excepting, of course, a franchise where there is only a single character. Does such a thing exist? I'm sure it does.)

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that Lifts-Her-Tail is the singular character in the "franchise" that is the Lusty Argonian Maid. Every post involving the Lusty Argonian Maid also involves Lifts-Her-Tail, and it's hard to think of any exception to the rule.

Even the examples given can more or less be pretty convincingly argued that the character is cosplaying / playacting as Lifts-Her-Tail.

So in short, I think this is exactly the example you're referring to - a franchise with a single character.


Clawdragons said:
I might be wrong, but it seems to me that Lifts-Her-Tail is the singular character in the "franchise" that is the Lusty Argonian Maid. Every post involving the Lusty Argonian Maid also involves Lifts-Her-Tail, and it's hard to think of any exception to the rule.

Even the examples given can more or less be pretty convincingly argued that the character is cosplaying / playacting as Lifts-Her-Tail.

So in short, I think this is exactly the example you're referring to - a franchise with a single character.

Indeed not! The in game text of these books includes another character: Crantius Colto. He thinks that Lifts-Her-Tail has strong legs and a shapely tail, and would like very much if she would polish his spear. And knead his loaf. So that it may hit in her oven. There is also "the mistress" who is a looming threat. ;)

All in all though:

lifts-her-tail = 119
lusty_argonian_maid - 117
lusty_argonian_maid -lifts-her-tail = 31
lusty_argonian_maid -argonian = 13 pictures
lifts-her-tail -lusty_argonian_maid = 33 pictures

What does it mean?

I"m still opposed to lusty_argonian_maid implying lifts-her-tail ... especially as I could easily imagine a stereotypical master-type character saying to the viewer "Polish my spear" ... and then, it's a Lusty Argonian Maid reference, and presumably Crantius Colto.

It's a bit of a stretch, but I don't see a reason to break our usual rules, anyway.

Genjar
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Date: May 29, 2013

SnowWolf said:
I"m still opposed to lusty_argonian_maid implying lifts-her-tail

Same.
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Score: 128
User: Rad_Dudesman
Date: November 18, 2016

I'm not sure if that should have the lusty_argonian_maid tag, but even if it doesn't... too many potential problems for the implication.


SnowWolf said:

anonymousanalogue said:
It seems people are also using the tag for posts that simply reference the meta-novel itself without containing the titular maid. ex:

2016 absurd_res anthro anthrofied big_breasts breasts clothing cranidos crossover_fanart feather_duster female gshtkatt hi_res legwear licking lust lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform nintendo pokémon pokémon_(species) pokémorph reptile scalie skyrim stockings the_elder_scrolls tongue tongue_out traditional_media_(artwork) uniform upskirt video_games white_panties

Rating: Questionable
Score: 8
User: Cat-in-Flight
Date: July 05, 2017 blush capcom clothing dragon english_text female feral lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform membranous_wings monster_hunter parody rathian scalie solo text uniform unknown_artist video_games wings

Rating: Safe
Score: 22
User: Juni221
Date: October 13, 2013 4:3 black_sclera bludragoon blush clothing female feral gabite looking_at_viewer lusty_argonian_maid maid_uniform nintendo pokémon pokémon_(species) solo text uniform unown video_games yellow_eyes

Rating: Questionable
Score: 15
User: Juni221
Date: August 23, 2013

Perhaps it should be disambiguated to lusty_argonian_maid_(copyright)? Feels weird, especially for a non-existent book without any real copyright information...

Another issue arises as the character has no actual canon appearance, so we're left to rely on either external knowledge, or just assume any Argonian in a maid_uniform is her.

I don't really see why it should. Anyone looking for something about the Lusty Argonian maid will probably be interested in any of that. If they specifically want argonians they can search for lusty_argonian_maid argonian

The second and third, sure, but that first one in no way suggests the Lusty Argonian Maid. It's just a Cranidos in a maid uniform.


Furrin_Gok said:
The second and third, sure, but that first one in no way suggests the Lusty Argonian Maid. It's just a Cranidos in a maid uniform.

I actually spent about 5 minutes making an arguement for hte third image before I realized that you were talking about the first one. Whoops.

yeah, the first one doesn't day anything but sexy maid. --it's the arti'sts information and title which provide the connection. It probably shouldn't be tagged that way


SnowWolf said:
I actually spent about 5 minutes making an arguement for hte third image before I realized that you were talking about the first one. Whoops.

yeah, the first one doesn't day anything but sexy maid. --it's the arti'sts information and title which provide the connection. It probably shouldn't be tagged that way

I assume TWYK would extend to copyright tags in this case? The same way pony OC's and Fakemon still get tagged with the original work they're inspired by, the Cranidos could technically be a Lusty Argonian Maid "fan-character" if the artist's word indicates it.

SnowWolf said:

I"m still opposed to lusty_argonian_maid implying lifts-her-tail ...

I'm suggesting the opposite, unless maybe I filled out the form wrong. Lifts-her-tail is a character from The Lusty Argonian Maid as well as Bethesda's TES franchise, so it'd make sense to imply it as such. Although looking at the stats you provided it seems like that would really only change around 30 posts, it'd still be useful for improving consistency between the two tags.

Genjar said:
But I think we might need an another tag for Valsalia's character (pool #11903), since there's fanart specifically of her.

That one is an extra confusing case, as the character in Valsalia's comic is actually the Skyrim protagonist transformed and mind-controlled into role-playing as Lifts-her-tail... Would putting the_dragonborn_(valsalia) alongside lifts-her-tail make sense in this situation?


anonymousanalogue said:
I assume TWYK would extend to copyright tags in this case? The same way pony OC's and Fakemon still get tagged with the original work they're inspired by, the Cranidos could technically be a Lusty Argonian Maid "fan-character" if the artist's word indicates it.

I'm not sure that pony OCs are supposed to be tagged MLP... but I dunno.

I'm suggesting the opposite, unless maybe I filled out the form wrong. Lifts-her-tail is a character from The Lusty Argonian Maid as well as Bethesda's TES franchise, so it'd make sense to imply it as such. Although looking at the stats you provided it seems like that would really only change around 30 posts, it'd still be useful for improving consistency between the two tags.

Nah, you've got it right-- but Clawdragons was suggesting the reverse. :)


SnowWolf said:
I'm not sure that pony OCs are supposed to be tagged MLP... but I dunno.

It seems like a fairly consistent convention. pony fan_character solo returns 16 pages of results, and pony fan_character solo -mlp returns around thirty posts in total. It also helps everyone looking to blacklist mlp results.

EDIT: Apparently that's incorrect, and OC's in an MLP style don't warrant an MLP copyright. Nifty, but a lot of work to fix...