NotMeNotYou said:
Your art is bad.

Your anatomy makes no sense most of the time (vulva on the stomach, deformed limbs, wrong proportions), your linework is shoddy, your coloring basic at best, and your shading might as well not be there at all.
Dave allowed your art to stay because it was literally the lowest quality he would allow on the page, and I heavily disagreed with his decision back then. I now hold Dave's position and I have no reason to let your art in anymore.

I am sorry to be so blunt but I've already explained my position to you back before Dave overturned my decision to delete your art. As such I simply don't see a reason to repeat what I've said back then in more words than absolutely necessary.

Edit: If you'd actually like some constructive criticism I can give you some. Draw from life, not from memory. Find a reference and compare your work to the reference(s). Especially your faces and hands need a lot of work still. Also look into using differently thick lines for your linework. Use the thickness to give different parts different weights. It looks very strange that fine fur has the same "weight" as heavy objects. Your coloring should follow the curve of bodies better. Your shading should also better follow established physics rules, as in highlights and direction of light need to be consistent at least.

No, he allowed it to stay because I draw R34 of characters nobody else draws.
I draw using reference art. And I have been drawing longer than you have been on FA. Furry artist is not my "job", as it is for some, I draw because I enjoy it, so don't expect me to take art classes because someone does not like my art.
I fail to see your reasoning here - I could easily point you to a lot of pics on E621 that have the same or more flaws than mine. This place is not some classy highbrow art site. It is a collection site for furry porn, dude. The whole tagging system serves the only purpose to make it easy to find art relating to a character or a franchise. By limiting who can upload what, you are just making it harder for people to find art relating to a character/show - which is why 90% of people come here. Why else? If you want to find generic furry art of generic OCs, you can search for tags on FA, DA, Weasly, Inkbunny, ETC. This place was meant to be a collection of art from ALL these places. Your predecessor understood that, and that was why R34-Paheal died out slowly while people moved here.
If you start to limit art upload based on personal taste - because that is what you are doing - then you are just turning this place into an elitist snobfest, same as Hentaifoundry.


BlueDingo said:
Here's a list of admins.
Here's a list of janitors.

NotMeNotYou is an Admin, yet pretty much 80% of pics are approved by him.
So, do the other admins have any say in what he does? I have half a mind to contact them all.


SwiftNimblefoot said:
No, he allowed it to stay because I draw R34 of characters nobody else draws.
I draw using reference art. And I have been drawing longer than you have been on FA. Furry artist is not my "job", as it is for some, I draw because I enjoy it, so don't expect me to take art classes because someone does not like my art.
I fail to see your reasoning here - I could easily point you to a lot of pics on E621 that have the same or more flaws than mine. This place is not some classy highbrow art site. It is a collection site for furry porn, dude. The whole tagging system serves the only purpose to make it easy to find art relating to a character or a franchise. By limiting who can upload what, you are just making it harder for people to find art relating to a character/show - which is why 90% of people come here. Why else? If you want to find generic furry art of generic OCs, you can search for tags on FA, DA, Weasly, Inkbunny, ETC. This place was meant to be a collection of art from ALL these places. Your predecessor understood that, and that was why R34-Paheal died out slowly while people moved here.
If you start to limit art upload based on personal taste - because that is what you are doing - then you are just turning this place into an elitist snobfest, same as Hentaifoundry.

I have talked to Dave more often than you have about this issue, I also still have any and all email correspondence between the three of us available. Don't tell me you know his reasoning better than I do.

Besides that I approve a lot of things I dislike or am outright disgusted by. If you're trying to make this out like I have some sort of personal vendetta against you then you're wrong. Other people's art on your level of expertise have been deleted as well.

SwiftNimblefoot said:
NotMeNotYou is an Admin, yet pretty much 80% of pics are approved by him.
So, do the other admins have any say in what he does? I have half a mind to contact them all.

I outrank all of them.


Hi. I remember posting about few months ago about losing one of my two negatives and I not sure if enough time has passed but since I haven't had any infractions since then if it is applicable I would like to request the removal of the other one if you please. Thank you.


tiamat5 said:
Hi. I remember posting about few months ago about losing one of my two negatives and I not sure if enough time has passed but since I haven't had any infractions since then if it is applicable I would like to request the removal of the other one if you please. Thank you.

Dmail the admin(s) who had given the record(s) in the first place. They'll be the ones to remove it.


Faux-Pa said:
Dmail the admin(s) who had given the record(s) in the first place. They'll be the ones to remove it.

Those records have been deleted for a couple days already.


That's neat. I've been a member of this site since 2009. I was pretty proud of my record (the fact that I've never had a negative). Now that negative records can be removed though, it feels a lot less like an accomplishment. :(


Shouldn’t this thread be stickied?


BlackLicorice said:
Shouldn’t this thread be stickied?

No, I sticky it temporarily whenever we update the guidelines, but beyond that it'd be pointless.


I wish that notes could be deleted even if they are in the note history of that post, also something seems wrong with the sets. (Just my opinion)


IllinoisBoi1 said:
I wish that notes could be deleted even if they are in the note history of that post, also something seems wrong with the sets. (Just my opinion)

Could you elaborate on both points? Notes can always be deleted (but their history can't).


NotMeNotYou said:
Could you elaborate on both points? Notes can always be deleted (but their history can't).

I just want to know why you can’t delete notes from their history and why the sets don’t work. I’ve tried picking “owned” or “maintained” and nothing works, I’ve tried clicking the add button, too.


IllinoisBoi1 said:
I just want to know why you can’t delete notes from their history and why the sets don’t work. I’ve tried picking “owned” or “maintained” and nothing works, I’ve tried clicking the add button, too.

well, if you mean why you can see the history of notes.. .well.. I present to you a concept:

  • Kinky McFoxy uploads some Horribly Lewd Japanese Comic.
  • Yamanda Taroneko-san helpfully translates all of that sexy lewdness.
  • Bob Furryson rages unresonably because... well, shit, I don't know why people flip out and thing that deleting all the tags off a post, or spamming is a good idea, but it happens sometimes and today, Bob Furryson is the dude who's raging because he just cannot deal with that Horrible Lewdness.
  • So he deletes the notes. Because if he deletes the notes, he makes it harder for people to enjoy this thing that enraged him. If he deletes the tags, he makes it harder for people to find the thing that enraged him.

So, we keep the history around, so that any person can be a good neighbor, so to speak, and fix what was broken.

Or another scenario:

  • Kinky McFoxy's at it again, uploading lewd things.
  • Kandi Neko-chan is sugoi at her nihongo because she's been taking it for the last roku months, so she can totally translate this manga doujinshi that makes her little kokoro go doki doki. She "translates" as best she can, leaving out words here and there, guessing at other places, and generally not doing very good. because Japanese is pretty hard.
  • Yamada-san comes along, deletes her old translation, and replaces it with his own translation.
  • Kandi-chan OBJECTS! her translation was SO kakoi! How could he be so hidoi! to a kawaiisou bishoujo like her! She deletes his notes and replaces it with her own. Ganbate, chibi senshi
  • Kink McFoxy says "um." and puts Yamada-san's translation back.
  • Kandi objects again. and replaces her own.
  • Someone, somewhere, lets the staff know that there's an issue, and they can easily have a look and see who's translation is better, and who's being a little brat.

as for sets--I havn't had a problem with them--what exactly are you having a problem with? creating one? Adding to one? be more descriptive :)


You can't delete the notes from history, but you can revert to an earlier state of the note. This is to make it harder to vandalize notes, as anybody who wants to get rid of them (or even make bad edits) has to manually go through every single one. A note that's been deleted, as explained above, is still marked on the history so that it can be fixed more easily.

As for sets, I'm not sure what your problem is. Could you explain further? If you're just asking for clarification on the terms, a maintainer is somebody who doesn't own the set, but is qualified to edit it and add more images. An owner is somebody who created the set, and has the authorization to add more maintainers. If you're wondering why you can't add posts to somebody else's set, that's because you're not a maintainer of it.

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SnowWolf said:

Or another scenario:

Had something like this happen just once that I can remember, though it was kind of in reverse and involved a small handful of people over a period of nearly five years. When I finally grew bored of it, I just locked the notes.


The only negative record I've got hasn't been removed yet, for some odd reason, so I kinda call BS on this...and I do it because this negative record is at least 4 years old.

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Rating: Safe
Score: 23
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Date: April 12, 2018

PSM760 said:
The only negative record I've got hasn't been removed yet, for some odd reason, so I kinda call BS on this...and I do it because this negative record is at least 4 years old.

the record removal is not automated, admins remove them manually. you have to message an admin and ask for it to be removed. also the negative record on your profile is from 2 years ago, not 4.


WTF!!! all my porn has been removed!! NOW I HAVE ONLY 2 PAGES OF IT!! why? So many saved images for this?! come on! :C


Farenjeit said:
WTF!!! all my porn has been removed!! NOW I HAVE ONLY 2 PAGES OF IT!! why? So many saved images for this?! come on! :C

Unless there's something I'm missing, only 28 of your nearly 2700 favorites have been deleted.


Knotty_Curls said:
Unless there's something I'm missing, only 28 of your nearly 2700 favorites have been deleted.

when i posted that comment only 2 pages appeared, now i have 36 returned pages


This is not something that is performed by the page itself but instead must be done manually by a member of staff, so if you have old records that qualify please let one of us know and we'll clean them up for you.

I still have that -1 from 6 years ago... any chance of that being taken care of?


New CoC update: This time we added language that vote cheating is against the rules, specifically using more than account to vote on the same thing(s).

Abuse of Site Tools
Suggested Suspension Length: 7 days
This category includes:

  • Using any of the site tools, such as Flag for Deletion, ticket reporting system, takedowns, notes, or any other site tool in a fashion that can be construed as disruptive, spamming, or defamatory
  • Putting gibberish in any of the description fields
  • Repeatedly submitting invalid, incorrect, or unnecessary requests
  • Repeatedly submitting username change requests
  • Using any of the site tools to “backseat moderate”
  • Reporting forum posts, threads, comments, blips, or any other site media that is older than 6 months
  • Voting with multiple accounts on the same posts or comments

It should be noted that if a user reports a post, thread, comment, or any other site media that is older than 6 months, but contains a publicly visible malicious link, that they will be exempt from this rule

In addition, if a person who is submitting content wishes it for it to be removed, for any reason, within 48 hours, that request will be honored.

Circumventing a Suspension / Ban
Suggested Suspension Length: Permanent
This category includes:

  • Posting anything on another account
  • Having someone post on your behalf

If someone is found to have violated this rule, they may be banned with no appeal, regardless of previous disciplinary action
Alternate accounts are generally okay, so long as they are neither used to evade a suspension/ban, nor to abuse the vote tools

Please note that this is merely us writing this down, we have enforced this as general abuse of site tools for years now, but people keep thinking it's okay to make accounts to vote on things more than once.


NotMeNotYou said:
New CoC update: This time we added language that vote cheating is against the rules, specifically using more than account to vote on the same thing(s).

Please note that this is merely us writing this down, we have enforced this as general abuse of site tools for years now, but people keep thinking it's okay to make accounts to vote on things more than once.

How do you determine they're alternate accounts? If it's done by IP, this might catch households where multiple people with unique accounts will upvote the same posts. (My partner and I tend to do this, and I would hope it's not considered vote cheating.)


Neko_Ed said:
How do you determine they're alternate accounts? If it's done by IP, this might catch households where multiple people with unique accounts will upvote the same posts. (My partner and I tend to do this, and I would hope it's not considered vote cheating.)

We go by IP and general behavior. It's hard to believe it's different people when there's a bunch of new accounts made in a short timeframe, that always vote on the same things within just a few minutes, for example.


NotMeNotYou said:
We go by IP and general behavior. It's hard to believe it's different people when there's a bunch of new accounts made in a short timeframe, that always vote on the same things within just a few minutes, for example.

Makes sense to me!


... I just find your icon (https://e621.net/post/show/896454/2016-anthro-black_fur-black_hair-black_nose-blizza) ... and the fact that you have to be what some may call a "rule nazi" rather ironic.

Especially the "creepy comments" rule. This is an adult website, supposedly populated by adults. But some insist on being treated like children with a superiority complex.

/rant off.


Heuvadoches said:
... I just find your icon (https://e621.net/post/show/896454/2016-anthro-black_fur-black_hair-black_nose-blizza) ... and the fact that you have to be what some may call a "rule nazi" rather ironic.

The irony of my avatar goes a lot deeper than that.

Heuvadoches said:
Especially the "creepy comments" rule. This is an adult website, supposedly populated by adults. But some insist on being treated like children with a superiority complex.

/rant off.

So, because we're adults we should accept needlessly creepy behavior? Try going to a sex shop and, if they have a female clerk, tell her that tits would be the perfect size for giving titjobs. Then report back to us how well that went.
Just because we host adult content doesn't mean we have to accept people trying to tell the world how they're planning on jacking off to any given image. Just because FA, pornhub, inkbunny, and most other places have unmoderated comment sections doesn't mean we have to as well.


Heuvadoches said:
Especially the "creepy comments" rule. This is an adult website, supposedly populated by adults. But some insist on being treated like children with a superiority complex.

/rant off.

Honey.

You have NO IDEA what people were posting because we started putting in the creepy comment rule.

the comments section were an endless war between people verbally masturbating themselves as they think about yiffing the fox, and other people trying to appreciate the art and discuss it like adults.

And then there were the roleplayers.

... There were several people who devotedly commented on every picture, all sorts of lewd and unpleasant things. Ain't nothing like looking at a pin up, then scrolling down to read a graphic description about how someone wants to **** that ***** until ***** **** *********

And when I say verbally masturbate, I mean it. I am positive that some of these people were getting off on commenting. I don't want to take unwilling part in someone else's jerk off session. (seriously, when you take your fetish out in public, you're forcing everyone else to participate, and that isn't okay.)


NotMeNotYou said:

So, because we're adults we should accept needlessly creepy behavior?
Just because we host adult content doesn't mean we have to accept people trying to tell the world how they're planning on jacking off to any given image. Just because FA, pornhub, inkbunny, and most other places have unmoderated comment sections doesn't mean we have to as well.

I agree with this, as such a rule does seem necessary. But please, help me understand what is and isn't considered creepy. I'm particularly confused by 3 of the 4 comments that were used as evidence when tiamat5 was temp blocked recently. Could one of the staff (preferably whoever chose those 4 bits of evidence for the block) explain to me (and thus anyone else who may be wondering) the creepiness behind each of these 4 comments individually?