Please refrain from causing any drama.

I know many furries are very passionate about this issue, even furries who aren't into cub. (I thought when FN banned it, i thought the biggest reaction would come from the cub lovers and i thought "meh, i don't care", but then i saw that many furries who aren't into cub were VERY angry, so, i decided "okay, i'll join too.") So i thought, why we stop laying around and actually do something about these bans. Let's try to UNBAN CUB.

I'm free to hear what your suggestions on how to do it. hashtag campaigns, petitions, protest, ANYTHING. then hopefully, we can execute these actions and bring back the cub to the furry websites.

And before any of you Anti-Cub-ers, try to say "what hold on a minute!", i'm going to debunk any cub myths.

1, and this is the worst reason: "I don't like it!", "it's offensive!", "it makes me uncomfortable!". Um, no, just because YOU don't like it, or makes you uncomfortable ISN'T a reason to ban it, it will be very unfair for the people who DO like it.

2: "It encourages pedophilia!" Um, still no, scientific evidence proves that cub art DOES NOT lead to real pedophilia, in fact, it actually HELPS PREVENT real child rape, because logically, it's like the "punching the pillow effect" and that, it's A LOT easier to go on the internet and rub one off than to actually go out there, rape a child, and possibly go to jail for the rest of their lives. So no, the "it encourages pedophilia" rhetoric can be applied to ANY kink, even the entire furry fandom as a whole, (which is the SAME rhetoric people who HATE furries use.) So, no.

3: "It's illegal!" actually, no, there's actually a federal law in the US that states that FICTIONAL child pornography is legal. (That fact ACTUALLY surprised me.) So even a federal law allows cub porn.

4, and this is one of the more sympathetic: "It's the reason why people hate furries!" That may be true, but banning it isn't going to help. don't forget that there is IN GENERAL furry porn that people, as well as fursuiting, fursonas, etc. So if we ban all those, we wouldn't have a furry fandom. This saying is very fitting: "A nerd wearing less nerdy cloths will still get made fun of." So again, no.

5, the most sympathetic one: "what about those people who experience child rape or knows someone who does, what will they think." And if you do i'm sorry to hear that. I'll let you know that the furry fandom will condemn any REAL child rape. If you ask any furry who is into cub about child rape, even THEY will think it's disgusting and wrong. I'm very confident the furry fandom will condemn real child rape.

So there, all myths busted. No need to debate.

I do have some gripes about the "Pro-cub"s though, but i feel if i say what i'll get slugged. If this thread remains civil i probably won't have to say it.

As much as I would like to shout "drama ahoy!"" and then leave, I will leave my two cents before leaving:

My first ¢ is that to my knowledge, there is some form of business (or etc. process) on that site that is not being represented well when cub art is also on the site. It benefits them to remove it, so they removed it.

My second ¢ is that any bickering between the two (pro-cub vs anti-cub in this case, but in experience otherwise) will always be fruitless. Regardless of results there are alternatives for either party (Inkbunny for cub, FA for non-cub, for example in this case) and the argument can (and usually does) degrade because there are those who don't "act with class". In your #1 paragraph, the people who shout "I don't like it" are the ones who don't act with class, they just argue with morals and sometimes low blows. The opposers who say "it's perfectly fine!" don't offer much better. Ergo, it is usually pointless to argue these points.

I am neutral towards this because of the listed. Just not arguing would resolve this better than either party arguing for their reasons.

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No mention of FN relying on a merchant system which would drop them like a hot potato if someone complained to higher-ups about any semblance of child pornography.

No, the two aren't comparable. No, there's no law against it. But for the site to function as a business, it must abide by the merchant system's policy.

Just because you like it doesn't mean it should be unbanned from a particular site. Last I checked, InkBunny has nothing against it - just stay on Inkbunny. Away from us.

Do you mean unban it from like that one site? Because it's really not hard to find it elsewhere.

I don't like cub art. Instead of bitching about it on every single picture, I went to the blacklist, added cub, and boom never saw cub art again.

Well, actually, that's a lie. I still do see cub art every now and then, but I just ignore it. Saves me time having to bitch about it because I'll just get banned for it.

Serperior09876 said:
1, and this is the worst reason: "I don't like it!", "it's offensive!", "it makes me uncomfortable!". Um, no, just because YOU don't like it, or makes you uncomfortable ISN'T a reason to ban it, it will be very unfair for the people who DO like it.

If I had a dollar for every time I've been attacked and insulted for using this very argument...

The first post is terribly laid out. A ranting introduction, followed by the premise of the thread (which is only begging for ideas and nothimg else), then followed by an unstructured list of arguments aimed at people on the opposite of the premise.
To make matters worse the arguments are not cited, have no sources, and any opposition to those arguments is tried to be silenced with a condescending dismissal.
This also completely ignores that there appears to have been no research as to why cub porn was actually banned on any of the pages so it seems that the perceived reason is "because the staff doesn't like it".

Pointless topic, terrible thread 0/10.

It hurt reading that. Partially because of the poor structure, partially because of the cringey language ("um... no", "scientific evidence says" (no citation), etc.), and partially because you clearly take this topic very seriously.

Save ranting for the cause of ranting, why say "unban this porn I like" on a site that allows said porn? Seems like you felt like preaching about something and trying to white knight, and the rest of the premise is just to help slide it in.

As for my thoughts on the matter, I think it's wrong to get off on any depiction of children. I do not believe it's wrong to have those urges. I lean towards believing all portrayals of child porn should be illegal, though it's not a pressing issue in my mind.

I don't like cub porn, but when somebody posts a 920 pixel wide preview from Inkbunny, I tell them how to upload the full version.
Which will make me a defendant at the Great Cub Trials of 2053.

I believe art is sacred. No work of art, no matter the medium, no matter the content, should ever be censored or banned.

That said, FN is a business, and they need to do whatever they can to stay in business. I may not like their decision, but it is their's to make.

While I would love to see cub porn available on more sites, I agree with several of the other commenters here that because FN has merchants to deal with they'd be doing artists a disservice unbanning it. You have to convince the right people that cub porn isn't the ultimate evil that they claim it is, and in this case the "right people" are pay vendors and other merchants who see cub porn and automatically equate it with child porn.

But really the only way to do that is to convince the vast majority of people in general of this, because merchants' main concern is keeping the money flowing and themselves in business. If they offend large groups of people, they lose money, so you need to convince those large groups of people that cub porn isn't the same thing as real child porn. It's not easy to do that, though, when the most vocal opponents not only deny the evidence and continue the fearmongering rhetoric, but also are otherwise trusted voices in whatever communities they're a part of.

Pixel r good

I could've sworn that the reason why FN banned cub was because it went down with a vote, (a vote were you could vote multiple times, plus, not everybody knew about the vote until it was to late.) So, i'm pretty sure it wasn't for business or because the admins didn't like it, i think it was because of, well... it starts with "social" and it ends with "warriors."

And i'm pretty sure from reading the forums on this site is that the Anti-cub is always wrong to think that cub is just as bad as real child rape and that the Pro-cubs are always right. The points i made were the same points i see many other people on this site use.

Oh, i'm pretty sure FN can handle losing SOME money, no big deal. They shouldn't listen to the minority.

I'm not into cub. At first when FN banned cub i didn't really care, but when i saw many other furries who WEREN'T into cub were VERY angry about the ban, so, i decided to join in.

Serperior09876 said:
I could've sworn that the reason why FN banned cub was because it went down with a vote, (a vote were you could vote multiple times, plus, not everybody knew about the vote until it was to late.) So, i'm pretty sure it wasn't for business or because the admins didn't like it, i think it was because of, well... it starts with "social" and it ends with "warriors."

If this is anything to go by, those who start with "social" and end with "warriors" would be against such a ban.

... Why can't things just be left alone? People can just never be left alone to enjoy themselves.

HypnoBitch said:
... Why can't things just be left alone? People can just never be left alone to enjoy themselves.

You just reminded me of the scene from Van Helsing that plays after the first vampire chick dies.

"Why can't they just leave us alone? We never kill more than our fill and less than our share. Can they say the same?"

I'm seem to be getting mixed signals here. Half the "FN bans cub" thread was just a rant about how it was the SJWs fault that cub got banned.

Knotty_Curls said:
InkBunny has nothing against it - just stay on Inkbunny. Away from us.

Hostile aren't we~

BlueDingo said:
You just reminded me of the scene from Van Helsing that plays after the first vampire chick dies.

"Why can't they just leave us alone? We never kill more than our fill and less than our share. Can they say the same?"

Because liking drawings of underage-looking fictional characters somehow translates into molesting real children. Brilliant logic there.

InannaEloah said:
Because liking drawings of underage-looking fictional characters somehow translates into molesting real children. Brilliant logic there.

What? No. How did you get that from what I said?

#6: cub porn is equally as bad as irl child porn.

yeah...except it isn't...not anywhere close to being just as bad as irl CP.

Serperior09876 said:
I could've sworn that the reason why FN banned cub was because it went down with a vote, (a vote were you could vote multiple times, plus, not everybody knew about the vote until it was to late.) So, i'm pretty sure it wasn't for business or because the admins didn't like it, i think it was because of, well... it starts with "social" and it ends with "warriors."

which was largely kept quiet from the beginning iirc so hardly anyone knew it was happening until it was too late and those that DID know about and opposed it tended to have their posts on the vote downvoted to oblivion by the anti-cub side of the vote.

as for me. i see nothing wrong with cub art. nor do i see how people can equate works of fictions with things happening irl. no one is harmed in any way at all by cub art. irl CP on the other hand does great harm to real, living, breathing children. there is no possible way of the two being equal in any way.

well...the whole "photomorph" thing might raise some issues if that ever happens. since irl people WOULD be involved in that type of content in some way or another. though i would expect this site would report that stuff and any who upload it right away though. adults in photomorph pics are one thing but kids? please don't.

Serperior09876 said:
I could've sworn that the reason why FN banned cub was because it went down with a vote, (a vote were you could vote multiple times, plus, not everybody knew about the vote until it was to late.) So, i'm pretty sure it wasn't for business or because the admins didn't like it, i think it was because of, well... it starts with "social" and it ends with "warriors."

The "vote" was here, that was a user created thread and had absolutely no binding power based on the outcome.
A lot of uninformed people will tell you a whole lot of stuff about how it has gone according to their guesses. Unsurprisingly most of them are wrong.

Knotty on the other hand is right on the money, it's a merchant problem.

Serperior09876 said:
Oh, i'm pretty sure FN can handle losing SOME money, no big deal. They shouldn't listen to the minority.

Losing the merchant means 0 money, not just a little less money.

I could've sworn when FN banned cub everybody was like "bullshit!", "it's not right!", and saying the ban shit on artistic freedom and the furry fandom as a whole, that they are willing shit on art just to get more money.

And i'm pretty sure the ban violates freedom of speech, first amendment and everything. It's SJW censorship.

The merchants shouldn't listen to entitled people either.

If they REALLY couldn't keep their site going because of cub then... welp! Either we have a furry site that allows cub or no furry website at all. That's what i think.

I just want to get people to get out there and actually reversed the bans. Because it's VERY unfair and wrong.

Serperior09876 said:
And i'm pretty sure the ban violates freedom of speech, first amendment and everything. It's SJW censorship.

This is not how things work.

to quote myself on the IRC last night

<Knotty_Curls> ever notice how you won't find any pro-cub posters who are able to type up an intelligent post

<Knotty_Curls> that's because the only ones capable of doing so also recognize who's ultimately in control of the situation, and that saying anything against it would not only be futile, it would also out them

<Knotty_Curls> tl;dr the smart ones either value their time or their reputations

<Knotty_Curls> probably both

Let's be real here. I don't hate cub art, nor do I hate those who like cub art. But the vocal minority who I've seen express their disappointment in FN's cub ban despite being told that it was neither the community's nor management's fault, I don't know why I bother talking to you at all.

You would rather a site risk losing the only thing that guarantees security to artist/commissioner transactions, than just browse other sites to find your cub art.

I've mentioned this before, as well as here and here and here again.

But no, obviously the whole world is against you lot. And you're gonna keep fighting the good fight everywhere except where it matters: the merchant system provider. Because you would be immediately dismissed. These replies are probably the closest you'll ever be to being taken seriously on this matter, let alone at all.

Knotty_Curls said:
to quote myself on the IRC last night

Let's be real here. I don't hate cub art, nor do I hate those who like cub art. But the vocal minority who I've seen express their disappointment in FN's cub ban despite being told that it was neither the community's nor management's fault, I don't know why I bother talking to you at all.

You would rather a site risk losing the only thing that guarantees security to artist/commissioner transactions, than just browse other sites to find your cub art.

I've mentioned this before, as well as here and here and here again.

But no, obviously the whole world is against you lot. And you're gonna keep fighting the good fight everywhere except where it matters: the merchant system provider. Because you would be immediately dismissed. These replies are probably the closest you'll ever be to being taken seriously on this matter, let alone at all.

But eventually, and I mean it, eventually, all websites will ban cub porn if the banning is not opposed. Even e621, with its current stand on artistic freedom, may one day ban cub porn.

HypnoBitch said:
But eventually, and I mean it, eventually, all websites will ban cub porn if the banning is not opposed.

Then that's their prerogative. Sites have a say in what is or is not allowed to be hosted on their domain and for any reason they want to offer as long as what is allowed doesn't break the law. If a merchant service decides it wants nothing to do with sites allowing cub porn, then either that site must comply with their terms of service or find a different service entirely.

BlueDingo said:
If this is anything to go by

Let me stop you right there.

No. It's not anything to go by. Find a better source.

Unbanning Cub Porn?

As the others have mentioned, it's less about the ban, and more about the surroundings circumstances

If you (or anybody else) really want something done about these supposed double standards,
then a first step is to consider it may be an issue beyond just FN/furries/internet, and ties into general (western) society at large

I recommend reading the following posts if you haven't already:

https://e621.net/forum/show/196027
- https://e621.net/forum/show/196098
-- https://e621.net/forum/show/196153
--- https://e621.net/forum/show/196183
- https://e621.net/forum/show/198971
[..]
- https://e621.net/forum/show/212203
- https://e621.net/forum/show/212211 [great summary even if it's not a very neutral tone, missing links/sources]
- https://e621.net/forum/show/212228
-- https://e621.net/forum/show/212248

I personally have no problem with cub porn, but you can't deny that there's a stigma behind it (whether or not the stigma is justified is a whole other discussion). It's understandable that FN admins could've been worried about hosting controversial content, and I support their decision in banning it if it's beneficial to the site.

Serperior09876 said:

And i'm pretty sure the ban violates freedom of speech, first amendment and everything. It's SJW censorship.

No, it doesn't violate freedom of speech. Freedom of speech regulates what the government can and can't do, not what a privately run website can and can't do.

If you don't like the rules, you should start another site on another server. Having more backups and hosting diversity is a good thing and more people should do it.

Unless you make your site on the dark web securely, you will filter or self-censor the types of content you allow on the site, or face closure and legal trouble.

1, and this is the worst reason: "I don't like it!", "it's offensive!", "it makes me uncomfortable!". Um, no, just because YOU don't like it, or makes you uncomfortable ISN'T a reason to ban it, it will be very unfair for the people who DO like it.

Agreed.

2: "It encourages pedophilia!" Um, still no, scientific evidence proves that cub art DOES NOT lead to real pedophilia, in fact, it actually HELPS PREVENT real child rape, because logically, it's like the "punching the pillow effect" and that, it's A LOT easier to go on the internet and rub one off than to actually go out there, rape a child, and possibly go to jail for the rest of their lives. So no, the "it encourages pedophilia" rhetoric can be applied to ANY kink, even the entire furry fandom as a whole, (which is the SAME rhetoric people who HATE furries use.) So, no.

This is a very unwise defense; you're literally saying that lolicon / cub artists are walking child-rape time bombs only kept in check by underage nicotine patches.

Under this interpretation, supporting underage fictional artwork is still shaking hands with a clear and present danger to children, the entire reason it squicks the general audience in the first place.

3: "It's illegal!" actually, no, there's actually a federal law in the US that states that FICTIONAL child pornography is legal. (That fact ACTUALLY surprised me.) So even a federal law allows cub porn.

That's incorrect.

What's true is that federal law in the United States distinguishes between three forms of underage erotica:
- Real legitimate child porn
- "Simulated" underage erotica, "indistinguishable from reality"
- Drawings, illustrations, manga, etc

While only the first is patently and blatantly illegal for obvious reasons, not a one of these is automatically protected - specifically, any depiction of child sexuality found to be obscene (by jury of peers) is illegal.

U.S. citizens found guilty under this include Christopher Handley and Christian Bee. Note that they were both snagged on loli manga - I've personally found Japanese porn to be plenty fucking obscene regardless of the topic, so you may wish to avoid it if you want to be safe.

4, and this is one of the more sympathetic: "It's the reason why people hate furries!" That may be true, but banning it isn't going to help. don't forget that there is IN GENERAL furry porn that people, as well as fursuiting, fursonas, etc. So if we ban all those, we wouldn't have a furry fandom. This saying is very fitting: "A nerd wearing less nerdy cloths will still get made fun of." So again, no.

That isn't why people hate furries, though. People hate furries because furries are a foreign culture.

The various complaints about fursuiting, cub art, zoophilia, etc. are merely excuses to attack what they don't understand and/or can't control.

Cub art or no, some other excuse will be found.

5, the most sympathetic one: "what about those people who experience child rape or knows someone who does, what will they think."

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16620670/furry/what_about_cub_01.png

Theirs so many SJWs in this thread, i swear to god.

First of: of course it's censorship! Your saying that if big major social media websites start suppressing a certain political opinion (which i know is happening RIGHT NOW) it's not censorship? WOW! The internet is WAY to big and WAY to accessible that it can no longer be labeled "private", and i'm pretty sure the internet is being funded by federal governments (somebody got to fund it.) So technically, governments are funding censorship.

Second: banning cub totally shits on what it means to be a furry: artistic freedom. When FN banned cub, it was a offence to ALL furries ("As uniquely creative as you", yeah, BULLSHIT.) . And the ban didn't unite furries, it made the fandom more severed and toxic than EVER before. Also, they actually LOST money because of the ban, because people weren't willing to use the site anymore, yep, they lost that "cub ad revenue."

Boy i'm so tired of people like SJWs making furry website admins their bitch.

Sites like FA, Weasly, FN, and many other social media websites shouldn't have went down the "Let's censor stuff!" route, because you know what happens back in the day when someone violates freedom of speech? Don't ban me for this but they'd be SHOT FOR TREASON. Censor things should BE ILLEGAL, people like SJWs who censor things should be PUT IN JAIL. That's what i think.

Come on! I'm pretty sure people like Treos will agree with me!

Serperior09876 said:
stuff

There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to begin.

shit dude did you even read our posts

Inb4 Ratte comes and specifies freedom of speech *nevermind, Mario beat them at it*, but:

Please, read what we have all said. You may not like what people have to say on this, but I (at least) do not like being called an SJW for giving you information on the topic.

See, this is why stoicism is a good thing. He's clearly emotionally invested and letting emotion control his actions.

First of all, don't label people into group just because they disagree with you.

I have seen "censorship" and "freedom of speech" being taken way out of context when people talk about video games, but this just goes to a whole new level.

If you are posting content that is withing sites rules and it gets deleted without good reason, then that can count as censorship (but even then not always). If the site has rules that clearly state that specific kind of content is not allowed, then it's sites rules and you simply obey them. e6 not accepting human only content is not censorship for example.

Btw, social media websites are still also private websites. If they want to promote other view and suppress the other one, they can. For example facebook nearly forces their curated news feed to show up instead of timely ordered one so they can promote content that brings them more money and doesn't promote stuff they do not want.

Freedom of speech is that you can say stuff you want without someone essentially putting you in prison. Private site can and will use their right to not host your content or see you in their site if they so want with any reason they seem fit and you are still free to use any other site on the web or even start hosting your own for your specific purpose.
Related: https://xkcd.com/1357/

This whole topic is dumb. e6 hosts cub content and so does couple other furry sites, so why does this topic even exsists here?

BlueDingo said:
See, this is why stoicism is a good thing. He's clearly emotionally invested and letting emotion control his actions.

Not as much as SJWs and feminazis do. BlueDingo, i thought you were against that SJW bullshit.

Serperior09876 said:
Not as much as SJWs and feminazis do. BlueDingo, i thought you were against that SJW bullshit.

I am for freedom and against censorship just like you seem to be, but going on an assertion-laden, emotion-driven rant is a very bad way to get your point across.

Mario69 said:
First of all, don't label people into group just because they disagree with you.

I have seen "censorship" and "freedom of speech" being taken way out of context when people talk about video games, but this just goes to a whole new level.

If you are posting content that is withing sites rules and it gets deleted without good reason, then that can count as censorship (but even then not always). If the site has rules that clearly state that specific kind of content is not allowed, then it's sites rules and you simply obey them. e6 not accepting human only content is not censorship for example.

Btw, social media websites are still also private websites. If they want to promote other view and suppress the other one, they can. For example facebook nearly forces their curated news feed to show up instead of timely ordered one so they can promote content that brings them more money and doesn't promote stuff they do not want.

Freedom of speech is that you can say stuff you want without someone essentially putting you in prison. Private site can and will use their right to not host your content or see you in their site if they so want with any reason they seem fit and you are still free to use any other site on the web or even start hosting your own for your specific purpose.
Related: https://xkcd.com/1357/

This whole topic is dumb. e6 hosts cub content and so does couple other furry sites, so why does this topic even exsists here?

For gods sake did you even read the title of this thread... This thread is about how to UNBAN cub.

And i literally said that the internet IS NOT PRIVATE. It's government funded. It's WAY TO BIG TO BE PRIVATE.

Considering that, SJWs, feminazis, people like anita, zoe quinn, people who voted for the ban and the people who run social media and places like FN SHOULD BE IN JAIL. Censorship is absolutely not tolerated. I wish the Justice system would catch on to that.

It's that simple.

Clawdragons said:
There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to begin.

Go on. Tell me how i'm wrong. As well as the rest of you.

We already have, multiple times.

If this thread's just gonna be fruitless drama-baiting, it's probably gonna be locked.

Serperior09876 said:
Go on. Tell me how i'm wrong. As well as the rest of you.

Seriously, reread this thread. We did.

Serperior09876 said:
For gods sake did you even read the title of this thread... This thread is about how to UNBAN cub.

And i literally said that the internet IS NOT PRIVATE. It's government funded. It's WAY TO BIG TO BE PRIVATE.

Considering that, SJWs, feminazis, people like anita, zoe quinn, people who voted for the ban and the people who run social media and places like FN SHOULD BE IN JAIL. Censorship is absolutely not tolerated. I wish the Justice system would catch on to that.

It's that simple.

The cub is not banned here.

Internet is not private. Sites are. If I hosted a site, I most likely would not allow cub there. If you tried to put cub there, I would ban your ass.

Then you basically started to shout out groups and names which are bound to get some level of reaction out of someone without much of context or reason. Nobody has censored anything and nobody has violated your freedom of speech.

Just calm down a bit.

Mario69 said:
Btw, social media websites are still also private websites. If they want to promote other view and suppress the other one, they can.

Yep! totally not a SJW or anything!

So your saying the people ranting on "FN bans cub" thread was all for not?

So far the only people who disagree with me are not into cub.

The reason i posted here is because i feel like if i post this on FN i'll get censored.

Censoring cub is not right! It's needs to be unbanned NOW! I'm willing to fight those admins on FN, FA, weasly if i have to.

We don't need anymore idiots in this world!

Serperior09876 said:
Yep! totally not a SJW or anything!

So your saying the people ranting on "FN bans cub" thread was all for not?

So far the only people who disagree with me are not into cub.

The reason i posted here is because i feel like if i post this on FN i'll get censored.

Censoring cub is not right! It's needs to be unbanned NOW! I'm willing to fight those admins on FN, FA, weasly if i have to.

We don't need anymore idiots in this world!

I wish to prove you wrong, because I disagree with you about your methods and heavy derogatory words towards your peers.

Since you like lumping groups together, I guess I am against you because I believe that having only a small cluster of sites is far better for finding fetish art, over a vast sea of sites that not all artists are aware of, or refuse to partake in. You have decided to use a E6 forum as if it was a Reddit thread, and take offensive when people point out facts you either disagree with or did not know.

Your usage of SJW and pretty much every sentence it contains is appalling to say the least, yet you even said please refrain from causing any drama . As people have said, please calm down, you are not reading what was typed to you and are acting emotionally towards people whom have given valuable insight.

Finally, you can dare take the fight to the admins, but as you said you are afraid of getting censored... that should speak of itself there that those sites, and not the admins whom have personal opinions, are adamant on their choices; the admins just uphold it. You are targeting the wrong people if you attack the admins.

Serperior09876 said:
Yep! totally not a SJW or anything!

So your saying the people ranting on "FN bans cub" thread was all for not?

So far the only people who disagree with me are not into cub.

The reason i posted here is because i feel like if i post this on FN i'll get censored.

Censoring cub is not right! It's needs to be unbanned NOW! I'm willing to fight those admins on FN, FA, weasly if i have to.

We don't need anymore idiots in this world!

when a privately owned website chooses that they do not want cub porn on their website, its not "censoring".........

I just want to get people to protest to get cub unbanned.

That's it.

If we do, than 1: websites like FN, weasly, FA will get more money with that "cub revenue." 2: The furry fandom will be a much better place.

That's it.

FN bans cub because their merchant service wants nothing to do with cub.

You are getting pissy at the wrong people. Stop doing that.

If you want to get pissed at someone get pissed at the Bank of America for putting a stranglehold on anything in the adult industry, get pissed at the people who make laws we have to adhere to, and get pissed at the people who have set the social moral compass to look down on pornography drawn or real.
It won't help you any to get pissed at them because you'd be a single gnat in the face of giants but at least you'd have actually valid targets for your impotent rage.

Also, this page is funded privately, so is our connection to the Internet. The government does not pay our bills. As such your argument is null and void.

Cub artists are also a terribly small fraction of the furry fandom. Losing them means like 3% revenue lost compared to 100% lost if it was kept.

And yes, Varka has literally stated that we (e621) will stay the black sheep of his furry empire until we're forced to change by actual laws. So FN's decision won't affect us at all.

Most importantly though, if you threaten violence against any one of my staff, FN's staff, or Bad Dragon again you will be banned from all pages BD owns without any chance of appeal.

Serperior09876 said:
Go on. Tell me how i'm wrong. As well as the rest of you.

Well, how about we start of with the idea that "the government funds the Internet."

You have, apparently, very little understanding about how the Internet works. The Internet is not a monolith. The Internet is not funded by any single group, and "funding the Internet" doesn't even make sense.

There are two main factors here. There is the money which goes into accessing the Internet, and there is money which goes into hosting webpages.

Access to the Internet is what you are paying for each month on your Internet bill. This has to do with maintaining the physical infrastructure - cables and whatnot - and the service of routing information from one computer to another.

These are private businesses, and they receive very little in the way of government money. Indeed, considering they make quite a substantial amount of money, and they pay taxes on that money, it could be said that in this sense, the Internet funds the government, not the other way around.

Since the Internet has been classified as a utility, all information transfer must be treated as equal by Internet Service Providers in the United States. Since information must legally be treated equally, governmental involvement at this level has nothing to do with censorship, and actually works to prevent it from happening.

Beyond access to the system, there are also the individual websites / servers / what have you which may be accessed. Some of these are funded by the government - mostly those with a ".gov" in the url. Businesses, which may have webpages, may also be subsidized, and that often comes with certain regulations.

Large social media networks are, however, not subsidized, as far as I can tell. They are private businesses, which generally fund themselves in various ways - ad revenue being one of the most common.

If a private business determines what may and may not be said on their platform, this does not reflect in the slightest on the government, and private businesses are not subject to the same restrictions that the United States government is.

I genuinely don't even understand how you were so able to misattribute blame in this circumstance. You might as well argue that the governemnt hosts furry pornography. Hell, you might as well argue that your own post, that I'm responding to right now, was made by the government, and it would be no more ridiculous of a statement.

Your argument here is borderline incomprehensible. Hence why I said "it's difficult to even know where to start."

Serperior09876 said:
Yep! totally not a SJW or anything!

No, it really isn't SJW to point out reality.

So far the only people who disagree with me are not into cub.

I've disagreed with you, and I'm not only into cub, but I also draw it.

The reason i posted here is because i feel like if i post this on FN i'll get censored.

Censoring cub is not right! It's needs to be unbanned NOW! I'm willing to fight those admins on FN, FA, weasly if i have to.

We don't need anymore idiots in this world!

Emphasis Mine

Calling reasonable and logical people "SJWs" is a tactic that, in my experience, is mainly used by SJWs themselves. It is a form of projection, an attempt to deflect attention away from their own irrational rhetoric. I'm sorry, but you're sounding so much like an SJW right now I'm beginning to wonder if you were any bit serious in your original post.

For Christ's sake, lad, "SJW" is completely devoid of all meaning. If you're gonna make a thread for discussing and debating a topic, actually respond to arguments instead of namecalling.

Mutisija said:
when a privately owned website chooses that they do not want cub porn on their website, its not "censoring".........

That's a bit unclear. Media outlets are often privately owned, and when they do it (for example, to portray themselves in a better light.. which you could consider FN's decision to be about), it -is- censorship, and we have the concept of self-censorship.

IMO it's a more reliable argument to say 'it may or may not be censorship, but it's not a violation of your rights'.
(since the entity doing it doesn't actually have enough power to -systematically- suppress your expression, only to say 'no, you can't put that here')

Bruh... Just chill. It's allowed on this site, so there's no need to worry.

InannaEloah said:
No, it really isn't SJW to point out reality.

I've disagreed with you, and I'm not only into cub, but I also draw it.

Emphasis Mine

Calling reasonable and logical people "SJWs" is a tactic that, in my experience, is mainly used by SJWs themselves. It is a form of projection, an attempt to deflect attention away from their own irrational rhetoric. I'm sorry, but you're sounding so much like an SJW right now I'm beginning to wonder if you were any bit serious in your original post.

"SJW" has become a completely meaningless term at this point. From now on, when I read anyone using the term, it shall be mentally replaced by "people who disagree with me", because that is synonymous with how it seems to be used now.

Clawdragons said:
"SJW" has become a completely meaningless term at this point. From now on, when I read anyone using the term, it shall be mentally replaced by "people who disagree with me", because that is synonymous with how it seems to be used now.

That will lead to misinterpretation. See how it's being used then react accordingly. If it's used as a baseless insult, treat it as such and dismiss it. If it's used genuinely, take it seriously.

So basically, treat it the same way I treat words like retard, faggot, autistic, etc.

When you think about how much of a justice-boner OP clearly has, it's actually rather ironic to use SJW as a pejorative here at all.

Well this thread went exactly as expected

Always, ALWAYS the same when the subject is cub porn, and thats why you can't just have that everywhere. It literally never fails to create a mess no one wants to have to deal with.

savageorange said:
self-censorship

I'm gonna go with autocensorship.

All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

Serperior09876 said:
All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

Calm the fuck down. You're making it worse for yourself.

Serperior09876 said:
All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

I'm sorry you can't get it through your skull that what content FN allows is up to their merchant service, which has been said several times over now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You don't make laws so what you would do in your headspace fantasy land is entirely moot. This is likely a good thing.

Serperior09876 said:
All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

Holy guacamole Batman! That's some next level emotions flaring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY

I don't know where to start with this or if I even should. "You'll all be sorry", "Orange gnome is pres" doomsaying, "I would make censorship illegal"

Really

dramatic

spacings

etc.

Also, please recognize that you're not some kind of Deity. You have a different opinion from other people (in this case, the vast majority). You want to run a revolution about child porn on an independent site and no one else wants to. That's hardly reason to be so dismissive and aggressive, like everyone in here just un-ironically heiled Hitler. People think the way they do because they think they're just as justified as you are; so there's no reason to freak out.

If you can't handle having your beliefs challenged, do not go on the internet and certainly don't make debate threads about child porn on the internet. And if you want to change people's minds, you're certainly going about it in the worst possible way.

Serperior09876 said:
All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

Dude, you are being childish.

Serperior09876 said:
you'11

You're just trolling all of us, aren't you? There's no way that's a typo.

Why are all of you attacking me? I don't understand that. I'm very disappointed in all of you. I thought furries were supposed to be better than this, Apparently i was wrong on that part.

I like "orange gnome as pres" though.

BlueDingo said:
You're just trolling all of us, aren't you? There's no way that's a typo.

Apparently i confuse "1"s with "L"s.

Serperior09876 said:
Apparently i confuse "1"s with "L"s.

When they're on opposite sides of the keyboard, are easy enough to tell apart and you have no problem using L's every other time?

Serperior09876 said:
All of you are closed-minded.

All of you.

You'll all be sorry when there's no place to get cub anymore. (Considering who's running the country.)

If I made the laws, i would make sure that censorship, private or not, will be illegal.

...

I hope when the "dickgirl cuntboy" tags are changed, you'11 all get so pissed that you simply leave this site. This site needs less people like this.

Well... good job. When you are willing to behave, I'm fairly certain that you can salvage this thread, shake off all the bad behaviors an' emotional arguing, and ask people for an alternative methods, like hosting a booru site, the only one I'll list because it'll be the easiest.

Otherwise: you don't speak for the people who like cub; you're giving a really bad impression of people who fancy such imagery; you have gone against your very first post, which set you up for this failure by attempting to control other people (by listing hypothetical counterarguments) and the unknown; and, finally, I don't think you know what you've haphazardly thrown yourself into, or even know what you intend, after three pages of you being told the truth.

But please, listen to what has been said, so this can hopefully end with something productive. Like the aforementioned booru site, link provided .

Serperior09876 said:
Why are all of you attacking me? I don't understand that. I'm very disappointed in all of you. I thought furries were supposed to be better than this, Apparently i was wrong on that part.

I like "orange gnome as pres" though.

maybe you should take a step back and take a good look at your own behavior

Serperior09876 said:
Why are all of you attacking me? I don't understand that. I'm very disappointed in all of you. I thought furries were supposed to be better than this, Apparently i was wrong on that part.

This post is simply you repeating the same childish behaviour you have been doing from the start of the thread: manipulative statements, emotionally-charged """reasoning""".

Or to put it another way, YOU have no place being disappointed in US here... any impartial third party would expect precisely that WE would be disappointed in YOU.