A few times now, I have submitted posts which contain artwork depicting animals, just like all of the other artwork depicting animals which I post. For some reason, these particular posts were deleted with the reason being "Irrelevant to site". I don't see a difference between these deleted posts and other approved posts.

Also, even though "Irrelevant to site" is apparently a standard reason for deleting content, there is absolutely no definition or clarification of what this entails in the rules ( https://e621.net/wiki/show/e621:rules ).

Got a link / some links to said irrelevant imagery?

Siral_Exan said:
Got a link / some links to said irrelevant imagery?

No, but I have this:

https://e621.net/post/show/1006701

https://e621.net/post/show/1006705

https://e621.net/post/show/1027878

https://e621.net/post/show/914037

https://e621.net/post/show/914046

There might be some source links.

toboe said:
No, but I have this:

https://e621.net/post/show/1006701

https://e621.net/post/show/1006705

https://e621.net/post/show/1027878

https://e621.net/post/show/914037

https://e621.net/post/show/914046

There might be some source links.

One of them is from funnyjunk... If it's an image macro, those aren't relevant to the site. Two of them are tagged as diagrams... Are they photographs or medical diagrams, by chance? In either case they wouldn't be relevant. And the one of them appears to be a piece of physical merchandise, which again, this isn't really the platform for.

Without being able to see them though I couldn't answer for sure.

toboe said:
A few times now, I have submitted posts which contain artwork depicting animals, just like all of the other artwork depicting animals which I post. For some reason, these particular posts were deleted with the reason being "Irrelevant to site". I don't see a difference between these deleted posts and other approved posts.

Also, even though "Irrelevant to site" is apparently a standard reason for deleting content, there is absolutely no definition or clarification of what this entails in the rules ( https://e621.net/wiki/show/e621:rules ).

Uploading Guidelines are better place to look when trying to determine what should/shouldn't be posted.

post #1006701
post #1006705

Look like anatomy textbook scans. Not really "art."

post #1027878

Appears to be photo of an embroidered patch.

post #914037

Panel cropped from an official comic. Not art.

post #914046

Screenshot/Meme type gif. Not art.

Well, I can't tell the first couple, but the rest look like real life or memes/comics, which aren't going to stay on site because this is meant to archive artists works. The first two sound like anatomical reference sheets and also wouldn't be fit on this site.

Since I can't see each image, I can only speculate from the sites you sourced from and the images provided therein.

And before anything involving past images and etc. are brought up, that was back then and this is now, and they won't get deleted by multiple times an admin has declared, because of the grandfathered logic. A staff member (let me find out by searching) has said they won't delete such imagery because it would punish the people who uploaded it after it got accepted.

Wodahseht said:
Uploading Guidelines are better place to look when trying to determine what should/shouldn't be posted.

Ah, I see. If that's the case, then that page should be linked to in the rules; or better yet, it should be in the rules itself.

Wodahseht said:
Look like anatomy textbook scans. Not really "art."

Yes, it is an anatomical diagram. Yes, it most certainly is art.
It is also found here:

https://e621.net/post/show/29425

So, the question is, are anatomical diagrams allowed or not?

Wodahseht said:
Appears to be photo of an embroidered patch.

And this appears to be a photo of a sculpture:

https://e621.net/post/show/875118

I'm not sure what the difference is. Embroidery is a form of art.
So, the question is, are photos of artwork allowed or not?

Wodahseht said:
Panel cropped from an official comic. Not art.

Yes, is it cropped from a comic. Yes, it most certainly is art. Is this not allowed?

Wodahseht said:
Screenshot/Meme type gif. Not art.

K.

Siral_Exan said:
And before anything involving past images and etc. are brought up, that was back then and this is now, and they won't get deleted by multiple times an admin has declared, because of the grandfathered logic. A staff member (let me find out by searching) has said they won't delete such imagery because it would punish the people who uploaded it after it got accepted.

I understand. But the issue is not with inconsistency, the issue is with lack of clarity. Some posts of a certain type are allowed, and some are not, and there is no rule or guideline.

toboe said:
Ah, I see. If that's the case, then that page should be linked to in the rules; or better yet, it should be in the rules itself.

There used to be a link to uploading guidelines from upload page, don't know when it disappeared. Maybe it should be re-added.

Yes, it is an anatomical diagram. Yes, it most certainly is art.

We're not talking all-inclusive definition of art. Anatomical diagrams like those wouldn't be in a museum because the diagram is not art. The sketch might be, depending on quality, but the diagram? No.

And this appears to be a photo of a sculpture:
https://e621.net/post/show/875118
I'm not sure what the difference is. Embroidery is a form of art.

That is an obviously hand-made sculpture. The patch looks manufactured.

Yes, is it cropped from a comic. Yes, it most certainly is art.

Let me re-phrase: on this site we don't keep tend to keep crops that aren't official. And panels/crops from official comics are treated basically the same as screenshots from videos/movies/cartoons/games/etc.

It's not "art" in terms of what we keep on this site.

Wodahseht said:
There used to be a link to uploading guidelines from upload page, don't know when it disappeared. Maybe it should be re-added.

That would be wonderful.

Wodahseht said:
Anatomical diagrams like those wouldn't be in a museum because the diagram is not art.

What would be in a museum is highly subjective. And the content of this site isn't curated like a museum, it's governed by rules. This doesn't help clarify anything.

Wodahseht said:
That is an obviously hand-made sculpture. The patch looks manufactured.

So, mass manufactured art is not allowed?

Wodahseht said:
On this site we don't keep tend to keep crops that aren't official.

Then that should be in the rules.

Yes, it is an anatomical diagram. Yes, it most certainly is art.
It is also found here:

post #29425

So, the question is, are anatomical diagrams allowed or not?

Not sure if I somehow missed this, or if you edited it in after my response. Either way, that's a 7 year old post and is irrelevant to discussing current policy.

What would be in a museum is highly subjective. And the content of this site isn't curated like a museum, it's governed by rules. This doesn't help clarify anything.

Where the line is drawn for art is always subjective, even with rules in place - here, museum, your private collection, wherever...

If it makes you feel any better, though I didn't assess those diagrams, I wouldn't consider those as "artistic" even without the text. Especially the second.

So, mass manufactured art is not allowed?

Irrelevant photographs: Any photograph that isn't of traditional artwork

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I'd also like to point out: I'm not an admin, so it's pointless to argue rules with me. I've simply pointed out the likely reasons for deletion based on my experience as janitor.

If you want specific answers, a message to the one(s) that deleted them instead of a forum post is your best bet.

Wodahseht said:
it's pointless to argue rules with me.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I don't care if I'm right or wrong. I just want more clarity.

Wodahseht said:
If you want specific answers, a message to the one(s) that deleted them instead of a forum post is your best bet.

I'll try yet again.

What Wodahseht said, we don't want anatomical diagrams, we no longer allow photographs of anything but traditional artwork, badly edited memes and cropped images are bad.

NotMeNotYou said:
What Wodahseht said, we don't want anatomical diagrams, we no longer allow photographs of anything but traditional artwork, badly edited memes and cropped images are bad.

If so, then all of those things should be in the rules unambiguously, plz :)

^ so basically just add "crops of larger images, even if they don't come under the 'too small' category" to uploading guidelines
?

(cause they're never gonna go in overall rules if I understand correctly)

Added.

It is seriously disappointing that everything has to be spelled out explicitly.

NotMeNotYou said:
Added.

It is seriously disappointing that everything has to be spelled out explicitly.

This comes across as very condescending. :(

How is having to be clear and explicit disappointing? Everyone has different understanding/interpretation of things. What seems obvious or intuitive to you may not be so to others.

The problem I have with it is that the uploading guidelines already mention low quality / low effort uploads. A cropped image is low effort, a meme is low effort, screenshots are low effort, the list goes on. Anatomical drawings aren't created for the purpose of art, they are created to help illustrate something, the patch is a literal product advertisement photo.

Why would we want any of these on an art archive? Why would you want any of these inside an art archive?
All of the aforementioned things have a purpose and a very good reason to exist, and good reasons to be shared with others, but not here.