Aliasing cyan_fur → blue_fur
Link to alias

Reason:

The specification of "cyan" is arguably unnecessary. This is similar to how "beige"-related tags have been aliased to "tan."

Octomilanar said:
Aliasing cyan_fur → blue_fur
Link to alias

Reason:

The specification of "cyan" is arguably unnecessary. This is similar to how "beige"-related tags have been aliased to "tan."

Yes, but tan is not brown, thus cyan should remain as is.

ShylokVakarian said:
Yes, but tan is not brown, thus cyan should remain as is.

If they are kept separate, then blue_* tags will need serious cleanup as blue is already used by many instead of cyan...particularly with fur.

Cyan is just as green as it is blue

Tuvalu said:
Cyan is just as green as it is blue

Granted. But my particular point was based on Rainbow Dash's fur. She's sky blue - specifically a light turquoise with a darker turquoise outline. Technically, turquoise falls in the cyan spectrum despite not being exactly half-way between green/blue. However, there's over 50 pages of Rainbow Dash currently tagged with blue fur, and 4 images with her tagged cyan fur.

Adding to the confusion is that some artists color her with a truer blue with little-to-no green in the mix, and others go with a true cyan or a mix that has a little more green than blue (particularly in darker/shaded pieces).

The big problem is that while most can easily point out primary and secondary colors, subjective interpretation begins to be used beyond that by the majority that don't care to be more exact than "Purple, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red."

TLDR: Yes, cyan is distinct from blue or green, but it is still commonly mistagged...usually as blue. And so the point remains that if the tags are kept separate, significant cleanup will be required.

implicate instead?

Knotty_Curls said:
implicate instead?

I don't think an implication is really appropriate as that'd just be bulky and not really clear anything up.

They should probably be kept separate since they are distinct colors, but the fact remains that there needs to be massive cleanup...and blue_fur will constantly be accruing new mistags.

For reference, currently there are 28,664 images tagged blue_fur, 267 tagged cyan_fur, and 3,530 tagged green_fur.

Most of the tags in cyan and green look to be fairly accurate at a glance. It's blue that would need someone with a good eye for color to go through and fix up.

There's also the teal_fur tag, which is tagged 153 times. Maybe those have some uses, but having both teal and cyan seems excessive. I think we can alias one of those away.

Genjar said:
There's also the teal_fur tag, which is tagged 153 times. Maybe those have some uses, but having both teal and cyan seems excessive. I think we can alias one of those away.

I'd say teal_fur -> cyan_fur since we already have the dark_fur addon descriptor that could be used as necessary.

Though the difference from cyan/teal is similar to that of tan/brown...so there still could be use for both. It's hard to say how many images that could use either aren't currently tagged with a fur color at all.

Differences in perception and monitor calibration really makes this a headache.

I've made the following changes:

• Skimmed through the posts and retagged most that conflicted with the following aliases
• Alias: cyan_fur -> blue_fur (approved) - Was primarily closer to blue
• Alias: teal_fur -> green_fur (approved) - Was primarily closer to green

Undo this. Cyan as a color is quite visibly different to blue; and even has been established as a primary in CMYK color systems.

Azula_Arktandr said:
Undo this. Cyan as a color is quite visibly different to blue; and even has been established as a primary in CMYK color systems.

Those were never tagged consistently. What little of it there was, it was only because we spent way too much time sorting them under the proper tags.

So let's not undo it. Cyan was barely tagged for fur anyway: nine times out of ten, those got tagged as blue_fur. Which we then had to manually fix.

Genjar said:
Those were never tagged consistently. What little of it there was, it was only because we spent way too much time sorting them under the proper tags.

So let's not undo it. Cyan was barely tagged for fur anyway: nine times out of ten, those got tagged as blue_fur. Which we then had to manually fix.

HA! Consistency. If we're worried about consistency, then why the heck are cyan_feathers , cyan_penis , cyan_skin , cyan_body and cyan_pussy (among others) still around, then?

Literally the only cyan tags to be aliased to their blue counterparts are cyan_fur and cyan_eyes.

Azula_Arktandr said:
HA! Consistency. If we're worried about consistency, then why the heck are cyan_feathers , cyan_penis , cyan_skin , cyan_body and cyan_pussy (among others) still around, then?

Literally the only cyan tags to be aliased to their blue counterparts are cyan_fur and cyan_eyes.

Because cleanly implementing all of these tags isn't easy.

(posting to this thread as it seems to be the main cyan_*→blue_* thread)

Genjar said:
Those were never tagged consistently. What little of it there was, it was only because we spent way too much time sorting them under the proper tags.

So let's not undo it. Cyan was barely tagged for fur anyway: nine times out of ten, those got tagged as blue_fur. Which we then had to manually fix.

Started today intending to defend cyan (also hoping teal_* tags would alias to cyan_* tags)
Genjar above quoted post has given me pause,
but am interested in manually correcting some blue tags to cyan (where appropriate cyan tag not aliased away)

(Getting a slight headache from thinking of this.
*drinks some water in case summer heat a factor*)

Sorry to restart(?) this debate,
but I feel that cyan is its own color with Wikipedia saying in "RGB (additive) color model, used to create all the colors on a computer ..., cyan is made by mixing equal amounts of green and blue light."
some shades not exactly equal amounts, but roughly equal amounts (see Wikipedia's Shades_of_cyan article, if you want)

Admittedly this is a MINOR issue in the scheme of things,
but one of my concerns is that
teal tags are getting aliased to green tags (two approved)
while cyan tags are getting aliased to blue tags (six approved)
but I consider teal to be a shade of cyan
(teal is included in Wikipedia's
Shades of cyan article. )

with teal being
1) sRGBB (r, g, b) of (0, 128, 128), so green and blue both being 128.
and
2) CMYKH (c, m, y, k) of (100, 0, 0, 50), so teal's cyan being 100.

To be fair in forum #204573 (started as teal_scales → cyan_scales , turned into teal_scales (118) → green_scales, but not yet approved)
with forum text (by Genjar) "Alias to green_scales, as we've already done with other teal_* tags. It gets tagged consistently for posts that fit better under green_* than cyan_*." with one example given being post #265910

While some of the scales (in 265910) are indeed green (at least to my naked eye), using browser's eyedropper (I LOVE EYEDROPPER) feature reveals some of the scales are hexcolor 2EB2B7 and colorhexa.com says 2EB2B7 is "Moderate cyan"

(EDIT: on second thought, would detailed discussion colors of specific upload (in this case: 265910) seems like discussion that should happen in 265910's Respond/comment area?)

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Two quotes below from https://e621.net/forum/show/260210 (Tag Implication: cyan_background -> simple_background )

darryus said:
To be fair, teal is a shade of cyan, in fact, I don't even know why we ever had both of them, teal should have always been aliased to cyan since it's literally just a darker cyan (cyan is 0, 255, 255, and teal is 0, 128, 128,).

Teal is included in Wikipedia's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan article.

darryus said:
... tags like cyan_fur/hair tags have already been aliased away to blue_fur/hair
and teal_fur got aliased to green_fur, it feels like it's only a matter of time until the rest of 'em get aliased to blue or green.

Currently only two teal aliases have been approved

1) teal_fur (0) green_fur (8846) parasprite 2 years ago "Link" (forum link is to this thread of "Tag Alias: cyan_fur -> blue_fur")
and
2) teal_tail (0) green_tail (789)

with the teal-tail alias Reason being simply "Since teal_fur is aliased to green_fur."

Considering that the closest thing to a standard we have tag_group:colors listing the "colors used for tagging", and teal is one of them, I propose unaliasing teal_fur and teal_tail.

Honestly, cyan and blue are different colors. Turquoise is more of a cyan than a blue. The cyan on screen and on ink is different, yet they're both cyan. Teal is a darker cyan that could pass as a cool green, yet it's still a cyan.

I mean, when it comes to magenta, does it go as pink, or does it go as purple?

the fact that we have brown, orange, and tan all be different color tags when they're all the color with different saturation and lightness values, but cyan tags are aliased to blue despite being a completely different hue is kinda dumb.

darryus said:
the fact that we have brown, orange, and tan all be different color tags when they're all the color with different saturation and lightness values, but cyan tags are aliased to blue despite being a completely different hue is kinda dumb.

Indeed. Even some languages differentiate cyan and blue, like Russian. Some languages like Chinese and Japanese have no distinction of green and blue , and use cyan as a compromise.

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alexyorim said:
Indeed. Even some languages differentiate cyan and blue, like Russian. Some languages like Chinese and Japanese have no distinction of green and blue , and use cyan as a compromise.

I feel like we should at least have tags for all six corners of the color wheel. we have all of the additive primaries: red, blue, green, but we only have two out of three of the subtractive primaries: Magenta (aliased to "purple", close enough, I guess, although I'd probably say that "pink" is closer to magenta) and Yellow and we're missing the third, cyan. we have a gap between blue and green that's twice as large as the gap between any other adjacent colors.

darryus said:
I feel like we should at least have tags for all six corners of the color wheel. we have all of the additive primaries: red, blue, green, but we only have two out of three of the subtractive primaries: Magenta (aliased to "purple", close enough, I guess, although I'd probably say that "pink" is closer to magenta) and Yellow and we're missing the third, cyan. we have a gap between blue and green that's twice as large as the gap between any other adjacent colors.

For a booru that puts accuracy in high priority, I agree on that.
That must also be applied with color. And especially cyan.

By the way, the background in your avatar IS cyan/turquoise.

urielfrys said:
Considering that the closest thing to a standard we have tag_group:colors listing the "colors used for tagging", and teal is one of them, I propose unaliasing teal_fur and teal_tail.

True. Teal is different from green.

alexyorim said:
For a booru that puts accuracy in high priority, I agree on that.
That must also be applied with color. And especially cyan.

By the way, the background in your avatar IS cyan/turquoise.

And for most all purposes we do have teal (See tag_group:colors) except teal_fur and teal_tail are aliased away to green_*.

urielfrys said:
And for most all purposes we do have teal (See tag_group:colors) except teal_fur and teal_tail are aliased away to green_*.

That too.