Palcomix does not deserve to be treated like this. I am sick and tired of people copying their exclusive work and distributing it illegally (Yes, it is illegal to distribute their exclusive content). They have lost thousands of dollars due to the unfair distribution of their Palcomix V.I.P content, and HentaiKey is now threatening to pull all support of their business away from them.

I don't care what people say about their artwork and grammar, but this does not give you the right to commit piracy and do that to their hard working artists, even if their grammar might not be the best of standards.

Here is my intended solution to the problem: Whenever someone tags a post with Palcomix, the poster will have to verify with the admin that the post is part of the free comics/art section. If the post is found to be part of the Palcomix V.I.P section, then the post will be taken down and the user be blocked for piracy.

On one last note, someone has created a petition to shut down Palcomix due to its "corruption of your favorite cartoon characters". If this petition is successful, not only Palcomix will be taken down, but this will eventually lead to a massive cease-and-desist of the freedom of speech in the pornographic industry! Suddenly, your favorite porn sites, such as e621 and Rule 34, and even 4chan and HentaiKey will be FORCED to take down ALL pornographic posts that have video game, anime, cartoon, or whatever characters in them! Even worse, it would become ILLEGAL to have pornographic content of your favorite characters. The whole industry will be driven underground!

Do you really want this to happen?

Do you want your actions of illegally distributing content lead to causing a huge blow in the pornographic industry?

Isn't their VIP content already listed as paysite content/DNP?

Also, you do realize online petitions (especially ones from like change.org) don't actually mean anything, or hold any legitimate weight, right? It doesn't matter if it "passes" or not, the accused aren't obligated to take any of the described actions, nor will any action be forced upon them, it's just an outlet for people to feel a false sense of control, and that they have power over something they don't like/made them salty/etc. It ultimately boils down to a over glorified poll, and no court or higher authority is going to take action because drones on the internet clicked a "yes" on something.

Nice slippery slope there.

Seriously though, if Palcomix wants their stuff removed from our page all they have to do is file a takedown request.

Unless they do that I am absolutely unwilling to invest any modicum of my time to sift through their bazillion of pages to figure out if something is free or paid.

I can understand that no one should upload exclusive Palcomix pictures, I'd agree with the conditional dnp or something like that.

As for the second part about people bitching about porn, that's a load of bullshit that people want to do that. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Making it illegal to draw porn of licensed characters is, like you said, a violation of our first amendment.
Unconstitutional.

Porn of licensed characters is inevitable, it's like trying to stop a glacier from moving forward: You can try, but they're will be massive collateral damage in the long run, and there's no guarantee it'll be completely stopped. You'd also be known as the dumbass who tried to blow up a glacier.

Genereal message:
Sites rules state that paid content that is over 2 years old is OK. You can flag the posts to be deleted if they are under 2 years old and it gets deleted. Pretty simple stuff.

If artist or site do not want their stuff to be distributed here, they can ask to get DNP status of their commercial or all content and do takedown already posted content.

My two cents:
Palcomix sucks and only thing why they are even operating is because they use well established franchises and characters from big companies and rely heavily to the rule34 to bring them visitors instead of even trying to produce quality worth to give any money to - because that group which gets their kicks from sanic will happily pay to see the action. Majority will most likely just shit on their quality and writing and was never going to give them any money to begin with.

As for petition, that's just a petition on the internet! Generilizing that to then suddenly lead into massive takedown of sites and content on the internet is really big stretch. Drawn underage porn is still legal on majority of the world for example. There was already news even on bigger sites how overwatch porn was taken down, but even that was because people were using assets directly from the game which were copyrighted by blizzard. Images drawn and made from scratch to be taken down would require much more massive operations than internet petition to shut down one shitty artist/group and even then I would imagine it would take even bigger operations to make it worldwide.

Do not defend them. If they really think that their content is worth something, it's their job to keep piracy under control, not their customers.

andyisepic17 said:
I don't care what people say about their artwork and grammar, but this does not give you the right to commit piracy and do that to their hard working artists, even if their grammar might not be the best of standards.

I find this ironic, considering their entire business model itself is based entirely on violating copyright.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, or anything like that. I'm just saying when they base their entire operation on violating copyright, it's rather hypocritical if they then complain about others violating their own. Especially they've also traced art.

*googles: hentaikey threatens to pull support of palcomix*

and the only relevant result IS...this post. so...got any proof of these claims?

below that is the link to the palcomix website, rule34.paheal, paheal again...encyclopedia dramatica...

edit: also, "I don't care what people say about their artwork and grammar, but this does not give you the right to commit piracy and do that to their hard working artists, even if their grammar might not be the best of standards.", no one can stop piracy. NO ONE.

heck, even a lot of game devs that i've seen are beginning to accept it as the inevitable which it is.

"On one last note, someone has created a petition to shut down Palcomix due to its "corruption of your favorite cartoon characters"."

huh, so there is though, as SirBrownBear (oops had the wrong name) said, it's not likely anything will come of it. you may as well ask the world to stop producing porn entirely and that's never going to happen.

treos said:
no one can stop piracy. NO ONE.

heck, even a lot of game devs that i've seen are beginning to accept it as the inevitable which it is.

Just about every crime is inevitable. That is not grounds for accepting them.

Fenrick said:
Just about every crime is inevitable. That is not grounds for accepting them.

true but all the resources and work in the world won't stop piracy. though some do try. such as those who put out DRM which no one likes.

treos said:
true but all the resources and work in the world won't stop piracy. though some do try. such as those who put out DRM which no one likes.

The goal isn't to stop piracy, exactly. More so... Piracy can be made more difficult, and less piracy will occur.

There is always a balance. A certain amount of effort into prevention has a certain effect on occurrence, for any given crime.

The problem with piracy isn't that you can't stop it or slow it, but rather that the measures to stop it generally have a lot of collateral damage in terms of usability and freedom, and that the amount of piracy stopped as a result of such measures is quite low.

A good example is the DMCA. Has stopped some piracy, but it also gets abused rather frequently.

This is very melodramatic and sensational. They don't need to be defended.

Gee, what a shame it would be if the porn industry was "driven underground". Not going to happen, unfortunately.

Clawdragons said:
The goal isn't to stop piracy, exactly. More so... Piracy can be made more difficult, and less piracy will occur.

There is always a balance. A certain amount of effort into prevention has a certain effect on occurrence, for any given crime.

The problem with piracy isn't that you can't stop it or slow it, but rather that the measures to stop it generally have a lot of collateral damage in terms of usability and freedom, and that the amount of piracy stopped as a result of such measures is quite low.

A good example is the DMCA. Has stopped some piracy, but it also gets abused rather frequently.

good point...and in the way of making things more difficult, that one group that tried to beat denuvo is still on their, what was it, 2 year break from cracking i think. denuvo was certainly quite the wrench thrown in the works. but even the devs behind it said it would eventually fall in time iirc. just it'll take a good bit longer than usual.

andyisepic17 said:
I don't care what people say about their artwork and grammar, but this does not give you the right to commit piracy and do that to their hard working artists, even if their grammar might not be the best of standards.

You talk about piracy like it is sometimes alright to do, last time I checked all forms of piracy is illegal pretty much everywhere (including the ones with eye-patches and parrots as well as the automatic rifle carrying ones).

andyisepic17 said:
Here is my intended solution to the problem: Whenever someone tags a post with Palcomix, the poster will have to verify with the admin that the post is part of the free comics/art section. If the post is found to be part of the Palcomix V.I.P section, then the post will be taken down and the user be blocked for piracy.

While this is sound to some extent, it isn't possible, because palcomix shouldn't get special treatment and hence it would create a huge amount of work for admins and the like.

andyisepic17 said:
On one last note, someone has created a petition to shut down Palcomix due to its "corruption of your favorite cartoon characters". If this petition is successful, not only Palcomix will be taken down, but this will eventually lead to a massive cease-and-desist of the freedom of speech in the pornographic industry! Suddenly, your favorite porn sites, such as e621 and Rule 34, and even 4chan and HentaiKey will be FORCED to take down ALL pornographic posts that have video game, anime, cartoon, or whatever characters in them! Even worse, it would become ILLEGAL to have pornographic content of your favorite characters. The whole industry will be driven underground!

Do you really want this to happen?

Do you want your actions of illegally distributing content lead to causing a huge blow in the pornographic industry?

I don't usually literally lol on my own, but I did. I'm not really laughing because it is funny but because of ridiculousness. The day this happens in a "western" country it will be a very dark day for humanity as a whole and I choose to believe that we are better than this.

Chessax said:
You talk about piracy like it is sometimes alright to do, last time I checked all forms of piracy is illegal pretty much everywhere (including the ones with eye-patches and parrots as well as the automatic rifle carrying ones).

maybe but not all reasons for it are of malicious intent. example: if you have no money for that which you download (pirate), then how else are you going to get access to such things?

besides, i think the government is mainly after bigger distributors of pirated goods such as the owners of and torrent sites themselves. speaking of, i think they got KAT (Kick Ass Torrents) recently or so some recent articles on torrentfreak said. megaupload, thepiratebay, and now KAT... :/ still won't bring an end to it but that will definitely stir up trouble.

Feds Seize KickassTorrents Domains, Arrest Alleged Owner (Updated) 5 days ago.

treos said:
maybe but not all reasons for it are of malicious intent. example: if you have no money for that which you download (pirate), then how else are you going to get access to such things?

besides, i think the government is mainly after bigger distributors of pirated goods such as the owners of and torrent sites themselves. speaking of, i think they got KAT (Kick Ass Torrents) recently or so some recent articles on torrentfreak said. megaupload, thepiratebay, and now KAT... :/ still won't bring an end to it but that will definitely stir up trouble.

Feds Seize KickassTorrents Domains, Arrest Alleged Owner (Updated) 5 days ago.

I didn't say it was equatable to murder or anything remotely that severe taht will always get you in trouble, but it is still illegal, and the fact that you can't afford something still makes it illegal, it doesn't matter that you are poor, it's crass, but it's the simple truth. It's also almost always entertainment, and nothing that you need in order to live a good life anyway.

Lets just continue on that thought, let's say you want a luxury sports car, but you can't afford it so you steal one. If you later explain your actions with "I couldn't afford it so I had to steal it" you might even get laughed at. Such intent is not going to justify breaking these kinds of laws.

What it boils down to is Palcomix is unwilling to invest the effort it takes to police their own content. They can file DMCA claims or request DNP status for their content, but that requires some considerable effort. Just ask SexyFur how much they spend on their enormous legal team that does this for them daily and the hidden watermarking in images that they use to police it.

Chessax said:
I didn't say it was equatable to murder or anything remotely that severe taht will always get you in trouble, but it is still illegal, and the fact that you can't afford something still makes it illegal, it doesn't matter that you are poor, it's crass, but it's the simple truth. It's also almost always entertainment, and nothing that you need in order to live a good life anyway.

Lets just continue on that thought, let's say you want a luxury sports car, but you can't afford it so you steal one. If you later explain your actions with "I couldn't afford it so I had to steal it" you might even get laughed at. Such intent is not going to justify breaking these kinds of laws.

how does pirating a video game, music, movie, or a tv show come anywhere close to murder or stealing a sports car? i'm not the one comparing piracy to bigger or worse crimes.

shit, we already had to drop dish network for tv and now the closest we get to tv is netflix on my aunts blue-ray player. as for me i download anime and stuff on my laptop cause the alternative is waiting anywhere up to possibly 3 times the length of one episode due to buffering constantly plus said buffering would time out well before that point.

we can not afford all of these things. we haven't the money. hell, sometimes we wind up having to be careful how much milk and stuff we use towards the end of the month before my uncles paycheck comes in.

if there was any other way i would gladly take it but there isn't. but i guess you'd prefer i do everything the legal way and sit around being driven mad with boredom everyday and have nothing at all, huh?

heck, i don't even know what to ask for christmas these days because everyone is strapped for cash. new games...maybe. new game console...well, i keep dreaming for a new computer but so far that's NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! and i mean NEVER. aunt has a tablet, uncle has aunt's old slow as shit laptop (years older than mine) and a small desktop pc he got from someone while at work who was throwing it out. once these all eventually bite the dust i don't know what we'll be doing. blue-ray player and books maybe? holy FUCK that sounds like a nightmare.

i'm hoping things MIGHT improve for us when we move in 2018 (well, that's the plan so far) but that remains a maybe too.

"I couldn't afford it so I had to steal it"

sorry mr. Rich but that's just how things are in this shitty world we live in. is it really any surprise why i enjoy pirating stuff when the alternative is pretty much nothing?

^ You have internet access. Even really crappy internet access ludicrously oversupplies a person with entertainment, so, well, your entire post seems to be strawmanning, basically.

A better rebuttal might have pointed out, for example, that content can be illegal for dumb reasons (like 'we never released X in Y country, so your only way to get it is illegal'), or that obstructive DRM often makes piracy seem like the least-stupid option.

savageorange said:
^ You have internet access. Even really crappy internet access ludicrously oversupplies a person with entertainment, so, well, your entire post seems to be strawmanning, basically.

A better rebuttal might have pointed out, for example, that content can be illegal for dumb reasons (like 'we never released X in Y country'), or that obstructive DRM often makes piracy seem like the least-stupid option.

quite true and for reasons shown in that stellaluna thread, i think i'll be trying to rewatch a number of old movies before long.

treos said:
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I guess I chose my words quite poorly... I just wanted to emphasize that crime (albeit maybe a ver small one) related to internet piracy will never be justified by the reasons you supplied, I never said you are a bad person because of it, you took it far too personal.

But don't assume I am rich, because I am not, however I am not poor either, but if you will ask me to check my privilege, you will not get any respect from me. It's nothing more than a power tactic to silence and diminish the value of other people.

Chessax said:
I never said you are a bad person because of it, you took it far too personal.

:/ sorry about that.

Chessax said:
I just wanted to emphasize that crime (albeit maybe a ver small one) related to internet piracy will never be justified by the reasons you supplied

maybe not but really, sometimes a minor crime like theft can be justified. for example: Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry though that's still not quite the same, both are crimes of theft. except in the case of piracy (in this case) nothing physical is being taken but rather the "things" in question are copied and distributed freely.

Chessax said:
but if you will ask me to check my privilege, you will not get any respect from me. It's nothing more than a power tactic to silence and diminish the value of other people.

never, i hate that SJW BS as much as anyone. though i think emotional manipulation also plays a big role in the SJW movement too.

i doubt anything good will ever come of them and that movement. same for feminism BUT only here in the west where it's not really needed so much, if at all, anymore. they should take THAT movement towards the east to places that DO need it.

speaking of (sorry for going off topic a bit), say hello to Feminist Nottinghamshire: Nottinghamshire Police records misogyny as a hate crime. so for anyone who still believes it's still needed here in the west. tell me again how many rights women don't have compared to men. because this is something i could add to the freaking mindfuck thread. actually, why not do that anyway.

Ugh, I'm too good at derailing threads in ways that doesn't make it look like it... Either way first some on topic:

Mario69 said:
Do not defend them. If they really think that their content is worth something, it's their job to keep piracy under control, not their customers.

Aeruginis said:
This is very melodramatic and sensational. They don't need to be defended.

Personally I wouldn't say don't defend them, that's up to the individual, but if anyone really want to help them they should talk with Palcomix, not with us. If they don't want to talk, then don't bother.

And on to some off topic resoultions:

treos said:
:/ sorry about that.

No problem, it's fine.

treos said:
maybe not but really, sometimes a minor crime like theft can be justified. for example: Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry though that's still not quite the same, both are crimes of theft. except in the case of piracy (in this case) nothing physical is being taken but rather the "things" in question are copied and distributed freely.

That's actually quite interesting, but I still have a slight trouble equating hunger with entertainment, sorry just a quite strong personal opinion of mine and I have trouble not advocating that.

treos said:
never, i hate that SJW BS as much as anyone. though i think emotional manipulation also plays a big role in the SJW movement too.

That's cool, just me getting overly upset over here 'cause I felt this little discussion was getting too "personally loaded" for my taste.

treos said:
speaking of (sorry for going off topic a bit), say hello to Feminist Nottinghamshire: Nottinghamshire Police records misogyny as a hate crime. so for anyone who still believes it's still needed here in the west. tell me again how many rights women don't have compared to men. because this is something i could add to the freaking mindfuck thread. actually, why not do that anyway.

Urgh... yeah, I don't have anything better to say than that

So this thread when from people potentially posting paysite content, to defending/not defending palcomix, to confusing parodies and copyright infringement, to the ethics of piracy and SJWs. Sounds like a logical course of events for a thread.

mrnotsosafeforwork said:
So this thread when from people potentially posting paysite content, to defending/not defending palcomix, to confusing parodies and copyright infringement, to the ethics of piracy and SJWs. Sounds like a logical course of events for a thread.

It's unfortunate, but I think it is partly because OP didn't quite think through some of the potential issues with their proposals and ideas.

If anyone is confused on the "HentaiKey threatening to pull support of Palcomix" part, here is the link: www.palcomix.com/comics.html

1 year later, the story comes to an end.