I started tagging images where a character is presenting a condom with, well, presenting_condom. I only recently discovered the other condom-holding tags, holding condom and condom in mouth. Do you think my new tag is too similar to the other tags, or does it differentiate it enough to be its own tag?

Not sure how useful it is, but presenting_* is for presenting orifices (and other anatomy) for sex.

Should've been offering_condom, as in offering_to_viewer,
offering_leash etc. Though that group is pretty messy.

Redid it to offering_condom.

Out of curiosity, how does offering_condom differ from holding_condom and condom_in_mouth?

SnowWolf said:
Out of curiosity, how does offering_condom differ from holding_condom and condom_in_mouth?

I think it'd be when the character is directly showing/giving a condom to another/the viewer. Someone can offer a condom without holding it like by sliding it across the table, and someone can hold a condom incidentally or during a process like actually using it.

regsmutt said:
I think it'd be when the character is directly showing/giving a condom to another/the viewer. Someone can offer a condom without holding it like by sliding it across the table, and someone can hold a condom incidentally or during a process like actually using it.

That's what I'd think, but I looked at the posts Googlipod tagged with offering condom, and while there are a few that are more.. offer-ish:

post #81241 post #88652

But more of them are, like.. holding a condom. Some of them even feel like the condom's just sort of there:

post #63880 post #82756 post #1427453

So... looking at holding_condom -offering_condom, I see a couple differences:

1 - There are males here.

This makes a bit of sense, since the offering_condom wiki says that it's 'usually female' -- which I think is inappropriate: post #1330811 is exactly as condom-offery as post #1449528 ... That said, it seems like a challenge to identify if a male is holding a condom to wear it, or to put on their prospective penis-equipped lover. On the other hand, is it really our job to interpret if post #1312887 wants to be fucked or do the fucking? Solo pictures do not have a sexual preference--they are not tagged male/male or male/female. SO, it seems inappropriate to decide that because post #1061685 looks like he's interested in doing the fucking that he's ineligible for offering condom...

2 - Holding_condom is occasionally used for for holding a filled_condom, or while wearing_condom.

and I thought there was an argument for creating something like wrapped_condom... except that that already exists!

So... I feel like offering_condom COULD be a great tag to have... but I'm not sure that offering_condom, as currently defined and tagged, is clearly different. Most of the images are some degree of holding condom, wrapped_condom, and seductive, pinup or presenting_pussy, etc etc etc etc, y'know?

That said, is a tag for "seductively holding a condom and implying you want to use it" a bad thing? Nah-- but most pictures involving holding wrapped_condoms are already kindaseductive 'wanna use this?' unless sex is already happening.... oh wait, holding_condom -sex or holding_condom wrapped_condom -sex

Though, overall, a lot of the condom-related tags seem under tagged So maybe finding "offering_condom" posts would be easier if holding_condom and wrapped_condom were more tagged... without the need for an extra tag.

SnowWolf said:
That's what I'd think, but I looked at the posts Googlipod tagged with offering condom, and while there are a few that are more.. offer-ish:

post #81241 post #88652

Dunno about the first one, it seems a bit generic. But I see what you mean, and would definitely apply it to the second (and to posts like this):

post #585762

It's similar to the difference between generic pinup and presenting -- or generic holding_leash and offering_leash.

So yeah, it's not a major difference, but might be worth tagging anyway.

I see no harm in mentioning 'usually female' in the wiki, since that's accurate and doesn't mean that it couldn't be tagged for males.

Genjar said:
I see no harm in mentioning 'usually female' in the wiki, since that's accurate and doesn't mean that it couldn't be tagged for males.

"Usually female" is kinda, well, sexist. I mean.

On the site, there are:

• 167625 male/female posts
• 124771 male/male posts.

That's about 57% male/female, so we can say with pretty fair assumption that the audience for male/male art is around the same side as the audience for male/female art. The male and female tags also illustrate this-- they're roughly equal, but with a mild weight towards female oriented images.

Okay: There are about 370 holding_condom posts.

When I search holding_condom male, there are 192 posts. If I search holding_condom male solo, I get 110 posts.
When I search holding_condom female solo there are 178 posts. If I search holding_condom female solo, I get 125 posts.

This suggests that for people who hold condoms, it's still roughly equal and there are as many males holding condoms as females, roughly.

Well, maybe those holding_condom male solo are all jerking off and filled_condoms and stuff? Nope. Just counted: of that 110, 74-ish are basically holding a condom with the "I want there to be sex now" expression. the remaining 25ish? was everything else, from filled_condoms, to "putting a condom on" to "taking a condom off", to "using condom as barf bag" ... if I was ever not sure, I counted it in that 25. even the ones that were holding condoms up as if to esuggest that they were up for round 2.

So even if we assume that every single female image is "I want the sexing to happen", and it's 75 to 125, that's still a significant portion of the images.

*shrugs* I"m jsut saying, ladies don't have the monopoly on "laying on the bed and looking sultry"

All that said....

I agree that offering_condom might be a good tag to have! Just, gender equality, y'know? It's totally possible that if we expanded my data-set out to include all of the condom pictures, we'd have a different picture, but... y'know? This isn't exclusively a girly thing to do. It's the same body language.

Okay I'm done.

You realize that the males have reasons for holding condoms that don't involve giving them to someone else, right?

Beanjam said:
You realize that the males have reasons for holding condoms that don't involve giving them to someone else, right?

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I...

wow, okay.

I kinda feel like you didn't actually read my post. But I will pretend you did.

Yes. I am aware of this.

I did kind of cover that in my post.

But let me try to state my thoughts again, more clearly: Males and females (and intersex options) can all hold condoms with the intention of giving them to people. Males can give condoms to people. Females can give condoms to people. Males can also hold condoms in a way that suggests that they would like to put said condom on and use it on the viewer. Males can also be casually holding condoms while buying them in the supermarket, putting them on and.. Oh, here:

...25 (posts were) ... everything else, from filled_condoms, to "putting a condom on" to "taking a condom off", to "using condom as barf bag" ... if I was ever not sure (that they were implying that sex should happen soon), I counted it in that 25. even the ones that were holding condoms up as if to suggest that they were up for round 2.

So, yes. I am aware that males can hold condoms for reasons other than giving them to someone.

So, to some up with a lovely TL;DR: I think the wiki for offering_condom should allow for both males and females to be included in the text. Because while males can hold condoms for reasons that don't involve handing them to someone else, they also CAN give them to someone else, if they want to. Just like females. And dick girls. and cuntboys and herms and all the other genders in the world. There doesn't even need to be a penis involved. Condoms on dildos make for easier clean up!

I did read your post, that's why I pointed it out. "Holding a condom with the 'I want there to be sex now' expression" would be enough for presenting_condom, but only someone without a penis could reasonably be said to be offering a condom just because they are holding a condom seductively.