Hello everyone.

Last week, it was announced that today would be the day that we show what we've been working on. A lot of feedback, a lot of concern, and worry, but I wanted to assure you that these are fixing existing rules and making the others more clear. No more loopholes, no more double-standards.

No one is going to enforce these with an iron fist, everything is going to be regarded with intent. Everything is able to be appealed if there is a dispute and, as always, we are here for you.

Comments and feedback are welcome! Please keep criticism constructive, and absolutely no flaming or hating. If you don't like something, tell us why. If you do like something, tell us why.

Without further adieu...

Current Rules are here.

Newest changes are here.

Creating Duplicate Threads

I think that it would be good idea to make forum more organized and implement better search before taking actions for duplicate threads.

Links to websites that refer to extreme kinks and/or fetishes

So we're not allowed to link to http://e621.net? :P

Other than that and maybe few other points I don't see now that much changes.

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I'm also concerned about how new rules would affect posts under 9/11, sacrilegious, politics and similar tags.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Other than that and maybe few other points I don't see now that much changes.

The only major changes I see from before is a more severe look at racism, sexism, trolling, etc. I mean, it did before, but now it is written in stone. E6 is putting on its professional face, so to speak

Some points I think need a little clarification:

advertising

Any non-beneficial, non-approved related businesses, organizations, or websites

I guess that this would include mentioning commission prices on posts etc, not just starting forum topics for advertising?

National hatred

Alluding to symbols of national hatred

+
racial/ethnic hatred

- Alluding to a symbol of racial/ethnic hatred

Not that I approve of that sort of thing, but would this ban art containing swastikas?

Spamming or Trolling

- Excessively communicating the same phrase, similar phrases, or pure gibberish

But I like gibberish :(
And what about pointless combos too?

Under user ranks:

Janitor: Can delete from posts

Is that a typo that should say "forum" not "from"?

In regards to racial and national hate, the admins will be looking at intent. There are countries out there that find the US flag as offensive, just like some people view the swastika.

In the end, it's going to be how it's used. If it's just part of the art, that's fine. If it's used to define hate (a character with a swastika committing acts of violence against a character with the Star of David), then that's something else. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

Also, about typos... I tried to catch them all, but yeah. Thank you in advance for getting those. I'll fix them all when we go over feedback later this week.

This is beginning to sound like mass censorship.

Renard_Queenston said:
This is beginning to sound like mass censorship.

Any reason why?

Wolframite said:
Any reason why?

It just... does, you know?

It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.

ippiki_ookami said:
It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.

If I were your lead admin, I'd want users appealing bans directly to me so I could know if the admin that banned them screwed up, and if anything needs to be done about that.

If the lead admin is telling you "I will handle all ban appeals, you don't have to worry about them"... fucking take that deal, man. :P

CamKitty said:
The only major changes I see from before is a more severe look at racism, sexism, trolling, etc. I mean, it did before, but now it is written in stone. E6 is putting on its professional face, so to speak

This. e6 now just needs a mission and vision statements (if they don't have one already)

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
In regards to racial and national hate, the admins will be looking at intent. There are countries out there that find the US flag as offensive, just like some people view the swastika.

Really? US flag offensive? The only thing I've have found a bit offensive is the mexican flag, but just when it is used like clothing. I mean, it is not meant to be used that way (as most flags) btw, I'm mexican, in case you have'nt noticed.

In the end, it's going to be how it's used. If it's just part of the art, that's fine. If it's used to define hate (a character with a swastika committing acts of violence against a character with the Star of David), then that's something else. It will be on a case-by-case basis.

Even if it falls in the rule of funny or rule of cool? I mean, it could be like cartoony, whacking somebody with their own symbol for comedic reasons

Also, about typos... I tried to catch them all, but yeah. Thank you in advance for getting those. I'll fix them all when we go over feedback later this week.

Most browsers have a spell checking option

Edit: This should be stickied, no?

ippiki_ookami said:
It seems weird that only the lead admin can appeal bans. If I'm a little too hard on someone with a ban (which has totally never happened before :P) then they should come to me since I made the decision. Why bother the lead with petty issues that can be handled on a lower level? That's the whole point of a chain of command.

Guess the point is that the admin who placed the ban could be biased towards an appeal. Generally I think most people prefer to go to someone higher up the chain of command to complain or appeal about things, doesn't make any difference to the decision really it just makes people feel like they're being treated better.

Renard_Queenston said:
It just... does, you know?

Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.

Xch3l said:
This. e6 now just needs a mission and vision statements (if they don't have one already)

Already had a (derailed) discussion about this actually, and the suggestion to make the mission statement more visible has been posted in the feature suggestion thread.
https://e621.net/forum/show/84867

Xch3l said:

Even if it falls in the rule of funny or rule of cool? I mean, it could be like cartoony, whacking somebody with their own symbol for comedic reasons

It comes down to a bit of common sense, honestly. If somebody uploads an image or makes a post that clearly shows intent of hatred and angst and all that good stuff, then yeah.. Obviously we have an issue. If its artwork or funny stuff or even a parody, that would be quite alright.

Yeah, I missed the sentence where it said "These won't be enforced with a iron fist", so sorry for the whole "Ermagerd censoringz" on my part.

Peekaboo said:
As long as these rules aren't enforced too strictly, I don't see anything that wrong with it all. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I just don't want E6 to turn into too srs bsns.
By the way, does this also affect the IRC chat?

Apparently not:

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
...In addition, these guidelines are not enforced on the e621 IRC channel, or similar off-site social channels. Likewise, any guidelines in use for the e621 IRC channels, or similar off-site social channels will not affect your access on the forums or website.

And we got all of our panties in a bunch for nothing. :p

If you feel that you should get promoted based on your efforts, you can contact the website administration via the Contact Us page and request it.

I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

Yet we often only see the bad people and not the good.
Bad people get reported, but how do we see the good ones?

NotMeNotYou said:
Yet we often only see the bad people and not the good.
Bad people get reported, but how do we see the good ones?

Maybe a nomination dealie? Similar to reporting, but just saying, hey check out this user being awesome

CamKitty said:
Maybe a nomination dealie? Similar to reporting, but just saying, hey check out this user being awesome

It's funny because I don't think there's anything about the current reporting system that says it's ONLY for reporting bad behavior. You can just as easily use the tools we already have for reporting GOOD behavior. I think people just assume that you're only supposed to report bad things. :P

Char said:
It's funny because I don't think there's anything about the current reporting system that says it's ONLY for reporting bad behavior. You can just as easily use the tools we already have for reporting GOOD behavior. I think people just assume that you're only supposed to report bad things. :P

It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

Furthermore, I hope it's decided by the staff who deal with the users and know their history rather than the BD management.

Illegal Drugs or Activities
This category includes:
- Forum threads or comments that references to abusing illegal drugs
- Forum threads or comments that references to performing illegal activities

Will this affect images that feature drug use?

Suineder said:
Will this affect images that feature drug use?

Don't think so, it only mentions forum threads or comments, whereas other rules include posts.

Suineder said:
Will this affect images that feature drug use?

This actually cam up in the racism part. Art is fine and is exempt except for stuff directly attacking someone else. That's what I get from this anyways

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

This. I have thought about nominating before, but the system comes off as something I would get smacked for if not reporting bad behaviour

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
It might have something to do with the fact that tickets are named like:
Comment Complaint
User Complaint
etc.

Ah you're correct. I was just thinking about the "Report" link that you find for users and comments, which doesn't necessarily imply a complaint. However, they're listed in complaints in the system as well as when you're filling one out. Perhaps we should remove the "negative" aspect of these and just have them simply as "Report User" and "Report Comment" and such.

Char said:
Ah you're correct. I was just thinking about the "Report" link that you find for users and comments, which doesn't necessarily imply a complaint. However, they're listed in complaints in the system as well as when you're filling one out. Perhaps we should remove the "negative" aspect of these and just have them simply as "Report User" and "Report Comment" and such.

"Report for Awesome" and "Report for negative Awesome".

I have several questions about this.

EDIT: Made it collapsible since it was taking up so much of the page.

Sorry for the incredibly long comment, and thanks :)

kkpkkpk said:

Spamming or Trolling
This category includes:
- Numbering a thread, IBTL, TL;DR, or any other fad statements

Can't say much about the rest but this isn't against organizing one's posts but against the "First!" "Second!" "TL;DR" Spammer and all those people.

NotMeNotYou said:

Can't say much about the rest but this isn't against organizing one's posts but against the "First!" "Second!" "TL;DR" Spammer and all those people.

Ahhh, ok, I see. It didn't come off that way, but in retrospect that makes complete sense. Thanks :)

NotMeNotYou said:

Can't say much about the rest but this isn't against organizing one's posts but against the "First!" "Second!" "TL;DR" Spammer and all those people.

post #77871

RIP Tealy.

corgi_bread said:
post #77871

RIP Tealy.

I guess it is time to ban you.

So long and thanks for all the fish corgi butts.

bye corgi

kkpkkpk said:
If you're an artist (I'm not, but I know people who are) does this include advertising your own commissions? And when I ask this, I mostly mean within the comments section of said artist's own posts. Is this no longer allowed?

Ok lets say my brother or my dad got himself banned, and we all still live in the same house (yeah yeah I know, but I've at least got a job and he's still in college, it's just easier to stay at home). Does this mean that if an administrator decides to check my IP and sees that it matches my newly banned family member's, I'll automatically be banned and be unable to even appeal just because it looks like I might be my dad or my bro on a new account?

This scares me a little. Especially if something like the above were to happen. This is basically saying that if I e-mail admins about my situation and they felt like saying "screw you, too bad" then I'm not even allowed to argue in a place where others who know of similar situations could voice their problems too. If there is corruption among the admins (thank god that doesn't seem to be the case here, but if it were to ever happen) this would just help hide the fact. Still, I see how/why this one is necessary. I'm not arguing against it, and I trust the staff we have as of right now, I'm just voicing my concern.

What all does this entail? And are we allowed to release information about ourselves? For example, if I mention something like the fact that my brother is 19 (lets say that in context this revelation was relevant to something) and then later mention his username, will that get me banned?

The other two bullet points mentioned "real-life". This one does not. Now I understand that we're not to post links to such other websites, but the fact that this one singles out fetishes in general has me worried... we're not eliminating fetish art here are we? And what about links to sources on art? If the source pages are from websites that include these things are we to not link to the source?

Does this mean anti-brony art and the like are now banned? Or just that defending and further bashing are both prohibited? Also are those of us who've using insulting language in the past going to get in trouble for it? Or will disciplinary action only happen to those who commented after the rules are official? Also I'm curious, while it is bad manners to show displeasure for a post (it's better to just blacklist and move on!), would making a comment like "I don't like scat, it's so gross" on a scat post count as insulting?

I have a lot of questions regarding this one. Does this make "JESUS! I wasn't expecting THAT to happen!" comments illegal? What about "Oh my Lord"? Are comics and pictures that include religious aspects now banned? If they're not, then are we allowed to discuss the characters? For example let's say there's a comic about an angel blowing Jesus. Are we allowed to talk about the in-comic Jesus? What if someone posts something like a demon mutilating a religious figure? Is that allowed? If it is, are we allowed to POLITELY mention that we find it disrespectful or distasteful?

Does this include activism? Anonymous (the group)? What about comics that deal with these topics? What if the comics include them, but in the long run are about overcoming them?

Again, does this extend to the art? Or only to real-life references? What if we were former drug users and we wish to talk about how we moved past it and how badly it hurt our lives and loved ones? Is something like that allowed?

We're not allowed to number threads? Not even to organize our thoughts/ideas? What about bulleted lists? These are helpful for addressing multiple parts of what someone else has said. As for tl;dr, as a reply to someone's long thought out comment I can see how that would be rude, however, are we allowed to use it ourselves after a long comment we ourselves have written in order to post a summery of what we've said for those who won't read the whole thing?

Now for all of these, I should point out, I am not necessarily asking just for myself. For example, I don't know if my brother or dad have accounts here, and if they did I doubt they'd get themselves banned. However, I would still like to know the answers to these on the off chance that they should happen and/or are relevant to any of my friends.

Sorry for the incredibly long comment, and thanks :)

Thank you for the great feedback! I'll see about what I can do to answer them.

Advertisements: It's all measured by intent, but by and large, I don't expect anyone to kick a fuss over it. However, you can still contact us for ways we can advertise your commissions. We are working on both paid and free advertisement options for the artist. We want to help the artist, not hurt them.

Ban evasion: We don't typically check IP addresses with that unless there's another issue, but if it's clear you have a separate account from the banned person, then it shouldn't be a problem. If it ever did, a quick message to us will get it cleared up.

Discussing Disciplinary Actions: Openly/publicly talking about them is discouraged, but if your example happened, and you sensed corruption or a lack of professionalism among the admins, you should contact me and/or the senior management about that so we can take a look. Admin corruption was a thing of the past, and it can stay there. As you said, I don't think you have to worry about it with our admin team, but rest assured, you are not being shut out.

Real Life Info: Nope, won't even get warned. I used this example with the admins to help differentiate the two. I heard EDFDarkAngel1 lives in Phoenix (okay). I heard that EDFDarkAngel1 drives a red 1961 Ferrari GT California (not okay). Whether it's true or not, specific information to an individual (full legal name, SSN, address, phone number, etc) is not okay.

Extreme Sexuality: This is a blanket term for us for kinks that are more tasteless. Don't expect this to get used very often, but just because it is fetish does not make it extreme. Once this has been used, it will likely be clear to everyone as to why.

Harassing: Mountains out of mole hills :P Of course, I wouldn't retroactively punish people for comments they made before they were told it was against the rules, I'm not that bored or that evil. I mean, there are opinions "I don't like scat, it's gross" then there are insults like "don't be a dick" "you're stupid if you like MLP porn."

Major Religions/Politics: The key word is "discussion." A one-off comment about how god is great, or the other way around is fine. But actually going out and talking/discussing the merits of Jesus Christ versus the Flying Spaghetti Monster would invite the wrath of the Thread Banhammer.

National Hatred: It's all about intent. All your examples are perfectly fine. Anarchy groups like Anon are not considered objects of hate.

Illegal Drugs: That's actually a really good question. This was intended to prevent discussion about illegal drugs and activities, to prevent impressionable people from wanting to try them out. I'll chuck this under "we will rule on intent" and if you're trying to promote a drug-free environment, you'll be safe.

Spamming and Trolling: Numbering a thread is an obscure fad that's not really used anymore, it's not saying "I said this back on page 2". It's all about intent, so if you're being a jerk about a TL;DR, expect a record. Otherwise, you're fine.

Hey guys, the rules regarding what can and cant be uploaded / said are only targetted at "serious" images and comments / forum threads. Any work of satire and parodies are exempt from them and still allowed. For example, if somebody were to upload a picture of Hitler boiling jewish people, that wouldn't necessary be allowed. However, if these were all turned into ponies, then it would be allowed as it is a parody of sorts. Essentially, everything that has been uploaded in the past and that has been allowed will continue to be allowed as long as its all within reason.

So pretty much nothing that would have a decent effect on the site has changed, except that people will now be banned for political dramateering.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
...
Illegal Drugs: That's actually a really good question. This was intended to prevent discussion about illegal drugs and activities, to prevent impressionable people from wanting to try them out. I'll chuck this under "we will rule on intent" and if you're trying to promote a drug-free environment, you'll be safe.
...

That's not quite how things work on BD.
I don't want to go into detail publicly, but I left their forums after being mistreated(in my opinion) by both a forum moderator, and staff member at BD in regards to what I still genuinely believe wasn't actually a violation of this rule.
They have the same rule there.

Frankly, if we're going to run this the same way from now on, I doubt I'll want to stick around.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I hope we're not just giving out promotions are we? Users should earn it instead of requesting it

Obviously I agree that people shouldn't get one just because they asked.

But haven't you said that you got your privileged status because you asked for it so that you wouldn't be dealing with the tag limits per hour of a normal user account? It doesn't negate what you said, but I just find it ironic. I mean, if you asked for yours, I don't see why other people can't ask to be considered just like you were. As long as the final decision is always based on merit I'm fine with people being allowed to ask for review.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Extreme Sexuality: This is a blanket term for us for kinks that are more tasteless.

Like what, guro?

Halite said:
That's not quite how things work on BD.
I don't want to go into detail publicly, but I left their forums after being mistreated(in my opinion) by both a forum moderator, and staff member at BD in regards to what I still genuinely believe wasn't actually a violation of this rule.
They have the same rule there.

Frankly, if we're going to run this the same way from now on, I doubt I'll want to stick around.

I don't know how they do things at BD, but around here, if you're mistreated by a staff member (regardless of position), it will be rectified by the other staff. We hold each other accountable for our actions, and if you truly don't deserve what was done to you, it will be undone swiftly.

ippiki_ookami said:
I don't know how they do things at BD, but around here, if you're mistreated by a staff member (regardless of position), it will be rectified by the other staff. We hold each other accountable for our actions, and if you truly don't deserve what was done to you, it will be undone swiftly.

I really do hope so.
I like hanging out here(digitally speaking).
I shall take a "wait and see" attitude for the present.

..... nothing too major but... I don't think I like them...

like:
Illegal Drugs or Activities : I hope it only affect on forum and it is still ok some art at some point

National Hatred: I hope it is still ok to say I don't like Americans and not talk about it I hope I don't get banned because of it. I mean I am just saying what I don't like lol

Posting Unreleased Content / Hacking Data Files: what if the person did not know....

also with User Ranks
I am not sure what "Can search up to six tags simultaneously" and "constructive behavior" mean...

sorry if I am asking stupid things :I

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Thank you for the great feedback! I'll see about what I can do to answer them.

<A lot of answers clipped from here for the sake of saving space>

Ok thanks! ^^ That puts my mind greatly at ease. The only answer you provided that still leaves me a little weary is when you said

kinks that are more tasteless

As someone who enjoys urine/watersports, which I'm fairly certain most people aren't fans of, I'm still a bit worried in that regard.

tfkcex said:
...also with User Ranks
I am not sure what "Can search up to six tags simultaneously"...

It means to search like this at once: equine horse pony mlp fim pegasus.

kkpkkpk said:
...which I'm fairly certain most people aren't fans of...

Well.... :3

This is why every list of rules should be limited to about 10 items. Once it gets any longer people start adding bullet points for fun and to try and "cover all our bases". Eventually you get absolutely pointless rules like "TL;DR = ban". When you're forced to really think about the freedoms you're removing and need to make compromises -- that's when a reasonable and effective ruleset appears.

tfkcex said:
like:
Illegal Drugs or Activities : I hope it only affect on forum and it is still ok some art at some point

Well, you shouldn't go around posting how great drugs are and you shouldn't encourage others to use them.

tfkcex said:
National Hatred: I hope it is still ok to say I don't like Americans and not talk about it I hope I don't get banned because of it. I mean I am just saying what I don't like lol

This is only for more serious things, "I don't like Americans" is a neutral statement and your opinion, "I hope those dirty American pigs burn to death!" is mindless Hatred with a dash of bigotry.
So, first one is okay, second is not.

tfkcex said:
Posting Unreleased Content / Hacking Data Files: what if the person did not know....

If you manage to get your hands on that type of Content you'll very well know what it is, trust me on that one.

tfkcex said:
also with User Ranks
I am not sure what "Can search up to six tags simultaneously" and "constructive behavior" mean...

"Can search up to six tags simultaneously":
This means you can only use up to six tags in your search, try searching for female rating:s group cat panda -mlp beach and it shouldn't work (because those are 7 tags) but female rating:s group cat panda -mlp should work because these are only six.

"constructive behavior":
Be helpful, don't troll, don't wilfully incite drama, don't harass others, all in all, display yourself in a way that wouldn't embarrass your mother in public.

furrypickle said:
Obviously I agree that people shouldn't get one just because they asked.

But haven't you said that you got your privileged status because you asked for it so that you wouldn't be dealing with the tag limits per hour of a normal user account? It doesn't negate what you said, but I just find it ironic. I mean, if you asked for yours, I don't see why other people can't ask to be considered just like you were. As long as the final decision is always based on merit I'm fine with people being allowed to ask for review.

I got lucky when Aurali went on a random upgrade spree. I may have asked for it, but I contributed to the site by fixing tags and participating in tagging projects when I was a Member. I'm just hoping the staff won't upgrade users that has done nothing for the site just because they requested one

TheHuskyK9 said:
I got lucky when Aurali went on a random upgrade spree. I may have asked for it, but I contributed to the site by fixing tags and participating in tagging projects when I was a Member. I'm just hoping the staff won't upgrade users that has done nothing for the site just because they requested one

They won't, they'll be discussed if they ask but we won't start handing them out to totally random people.
Also, we already did that beforehand but the real problem is, many good people tend to stay below the radar, this is kinda our way encouraging them to contact us about it if they have need for it.

So can I still swear?

Patch said:
So can I still swear?

post #267660

Remember that censorship, coupled with heavy-handed admins is what killed fchan.

*Paid content over 2 years old is acceptable to post

Wait, does that mean ANY paid content? Or are there any special exclusions?

Spess_Muhreen said:
*Paid content over 2 years old is acceptable to post

Wait, does that mean ANY paid content? Or are there any special exclusions?

Well the Dnp list for sure is one of those exclusions :P

Butterscotch said:
Well the Dnp list for sure is one of those exclusions :P

Damn, I should've figured.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
In regards to racial and national hate, the admins will be looking at intent. There are countries out there that find the US flag as offensive, just like some people view the swastika.

So will this effect images of the American flag or nazi furry images?

Also is saying 'MERICA now offensive? (i hope not)

Lastly, for the spam does this count people making 30 comments of "cute" on a shit ton of images or just making :) faces everywhere? Ive notice users spamming comments like that..

corgi_bread said:
post #77871

RIP Tealy.

NotMeNotYou said:
I guess it is time to ban you.

So long and thanks for all the fish corgi butts.

Renard_Queenston said:
bye corgi

It has begun! ....Let the purge begin! Bwhahahaha! jk

Well. I see nothing really wrong about. Not like I'm going to be troll forums just to discuss if jesus was real or not. As long as it doesn't jump into normal posts to the point that you can't even use the lords name in vein.

Illegal drugs & Illegal activities

Can we get a list what drugs, and activities are considered illegal? It varies from country to country. Should we banned women who claim that are driving car - it's forbidden in Saudi Arabia.

Tasteless kinks

I find straight sex in missionary position to be tasteless. I hope it would be banned.

But seriously though, for most people on earth furry is "extreme" fetish. I really think that this need more clarification. Does this is tasteless/extreme? What about sites that contains extreme kinks, but are not mainly about them? After all e621 has shitting_dicknipples.

I'm still concerned.

Can I swear or not?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Can we get a list what drugs, and activities are considered illegal? It varies from country to country. Should we banned women who claim that are driving car - it's forbidden in Saudi Arabia.

Weed is legal in certain counties and states in the USA for medical use. Soo...perhaps this should be looked over a bit more :v

Conker said:
Weed is legal in certain counties and states in the USA for medical use. Soo...perhaps this should be looked over a bit more :v

It's even legal for recreational use in 2 states now.
Medical is legal in 20 states, including Arizona where BD is located, and even more states have "decriminalized" it (minor misdemeanor to possess a personal use amount, about as bad as a speeding ticket).

Halite said:
including Arizona where BD is located

So, how many dildos do you have in the house?

Patch said:
I'm still concerned.

Can I swear or not?

No you can't fucking swear, Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ on a pissbag.

I laughed while shaking my head.

Sorry to disappoint :P

Well seems like Reaper did got a negative after all...

Butterscotch said:
Well seems like Reaper did got a negative after all...

And is now going nuts with stupid uploads

CamKitty said:
And is now going nuts with stupid uploads

Less than an hour later and he's permabanned :P

Butterscotch said:
Less than an hour later and he's permabanned :P

Turns out he was ban evading from another permabanned account from a long time ago