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Topic: Can we talk about the mature tags?

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

Can we talk about the mature tags? Specifically mature_intersex, mature_gynomorph, and mature_andromorph. They were somewhat recently aliased to intersex, gynomorph, and andromorph and this has caused several problems.

1. It removes the ability to find pictures of mature intersex characters (except herm and maleherm strangely)

2. It causes mature intersex characters to be tagged incorrectly

I'm not sure about the reasoning behind these implications, can we have a discussion about it and get some more insight?

Updated by D.D.M.

I also like how with mature tag you have to specify genders, meanwhile old is standalone tag.

Why the fuck is this?

Updated by anonymous

Didn't even know the mature_* tags were a thing.

crusty_fire said:
2. It causes mature intersex characters to be tagged incorrectly

How so? A mature intersex character would be intersex, so mature_intersex being tagged intersex is still correct (if less precise).

Mairo said:
I also like how with mature tag you have to specify genders, meanwhile old is standalone tag.

young is a standalone tag too. Should there be young_* and old_* variants next to mature_*? And why stop at genders? Should we also tag mature_anthro, mature_feral, mature_humanoid, mature_human, etc?

Updated by anonymous

Mairo said:
I also like how with mature tag you have to specify genders, meanwhile old is standalone tag.

Why the fuck is this?

Basically originally we had milf and dilf tags, and those were replaced with mature_female and mature_male to avoid using slang terms, but still preserve the ability to search it, since milf/dilf is very popular porn content. Then it was expanded to cover other gender tags as well.

Updated by anonymous

Watsit said:
young is a standalone tag too. Should there be young_* and old_* variants next to mature_*? And why stop at genders? Should we also tag mature_anthro, mature_feral, mature_humanoid, mature_human, etc?

Why stop there? Why not mature_fox, mature_sandshrew, mature_dasyuromorph?

I dream one day of an e621 where the tag list would be a mile long of ultra-specific tags, were anyone still around to bother attempting to tag them.

Updated by anonymous

I don't know why these tags are aliased, but I think it needs to be fixed. Intersex isn't treated differently as other genders for other tags. It would be helpful if people could reliably find mature intersex images.

I made a thread concerning these tags here in the proper forum.

forum #282595

Updated by anonymous

I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of mature_gynomorph would somehow end up causing even more people to misstag posts with mature_female

Updated by anonymous

D.D.M.

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TheVileOne said:
I don't know why these tags are aliased, but I think it needs to be fixed. Intersex isn't treated differently as other genders for other tags. It would be helpful if people could reliably find mature intersex images.

I made a thread concerning these tags here in the proper forum.

forum #282595

I definitely concur with this. Regardless of whether the mature_* group of tags is kept or removed, these various mature_intersex subtags should be de-aliased so they can at least be utilized in the meantime, like with mature_male and mature_female.

Updated by anonymous

darryus said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the lack of mature_gynomorph would somehow end up causing even more people to misstag posts with mature_female

Can confirm. I was trying to fix post #2263644 (as of this posting it is tagged "mature_female"), and came looking for this thread to figure out why mature_male and mature_female tags exist, but the mature_ tags for the other genders got aliased to just the gender.

The bulk update request #48 is pending approval.

remove alias mature_intersex -> intersex
remove alias mature_gynomorph -> gynomorph
remove alias mature_andromorph -> andromorph
create implication mature_ambiguous -> ambiguous_gender
create implication mature_maleherm -> maleherm

Reason: The mature_* tags should be consist with the other gender tags. Having some of the mature_* tags aliased to their respective genders and others not aliased makes little sense and is inconsistent. Even if the tags are seldom used, aliasing them prevents any new uses of the tags.

the problem was when the rule of "tagging what you see" came off as too transphobic for our entitled users.

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