I was looking to see if there was a way to propose an undeletion. I know this isn't common case, and I couldn't find anything in the wiki.

"Study Partners, Chapter 4, part 1" is an email conversation. Most of the 150 images are "screengrabs", just being pages of text. See this for an example:
https://inkbunny.net/s/1735042

This cover art and the first 5 pages were uploaded, but because they were just text, they were obviously deleted for "Irrelevant to site (no visible furries)". I went and extracted the 33 actual drawings out of the 150 images, and extracted the text to be in the description. See this pool:
https://e621.net/pool/show/15764

I would like to propose an undeletion of the cover art for that pool:
https://e621.net/post/show/1695114

Thoughts? Thanks!

BlueTibbit said:
I was looking to see if there was a way to propose an undeletion. I know this isn't common case, and I couldn't find anything in the wiki.

"Study Partners, Chapter 4, part 1" is an email conversation. Most of the 150 images are "screengrabs", just being pages of text. See this for an example:
https://inkbunny.net/s/1735042

This cover art and the first 5 pages were uploaded, but because they were just text, they were obviously deleted for "Irrelevant to site (no visible furries)". I went and extracted the 33 actual drawings out of the 150 images, and extracted the text to be in the description. See this pool:
https://e621.net/pool/show/15764

I would like to propose an undeletion of the cover art for that pool:
https://e621.net/post/show/1695114

Thoughts? Thanks!

It was deleted by the head admin of the website, so doubt. Though you'd be better off actually messaging them instead of asking the forum

Just in case you didn't see, it's been undeleted! (By Mairo!)

Thank you very much for the hard work you put in in making sure that the full content of the comic made it on to the site also. :) You rock!

I also noticed that an image from Dark Cabin was deleted, this thread just reminded me of it:

https://e621.net/pool/show/8867

post #1797937

It's on the fifth page in the pool, with no other deletions except that one.

Just wanted to say thanks to whoever undeleted that Dark Cabin post.

I'm not sure how you tell who undeleted a post, I looked at the flag history but it's empty, though still, thanks to whoever it was.

Pupslut said:
Just wanted to say thanks to whoever undeleted that Dark Cabin post.

I'm not sure how you tell who undeleted a post, I looked at the flag history but it's empty, though still, thanks to whoever it was.

Yeah, there's actually no data of who handled flag or restored post, so you'll have to go with the approved by data instead which isn't always 100% accurate. However when restoring post, one who restored it are put as approver, unless they unapprove the post, but this will show up in mod queue.

As for that comic, colonel klinks artwork is the kind of artwork which is always on the line for getting deleted, but because they do comics mostly, that means that now even the stuff that's clearly not cut in here are approved simply because to keep comic as whole intact.

Ah, thanks Mario!

This one took quite a bit of effort, but was worth it. Now the pool is up to date with all the images. I'll probably move some descriptions around the first page and cover and edit the pool description to finish it off. Then it's all up to the artist to finish the chapter.

Thanks again!

Edit:
Never quite sure what to do with comics that have low quality or non-furry pictures in them. Specifically these:
https://e621.net/post/show/1848870
https://e621.net/post/show/1849220
https://e621.net/post/show/1849245
https://e621.net/post/show/1849248
https://e621.net/post/show/1850677

Especially that last one which is just a gradient which already has -3 score (but some funny comments to make up for it, ha), and one of them got me a neutral ping because I only added 3 tags.
It is part of the story, just not furry for that page. I'm considered not uploading them, but decided to upload and let the moderators decide. I'm okay with leaving it up to them and if I get a deleted post, that's fine :)

Mairo said:
Yeah, there's actually no data of who handled flag or restored post, so you'll have to go with the approved by data instead which isn't always 100% accurate. However when restoring post, one who restored it are put as approver, unless they unapprove the post, but this will show up in mod queue.

Thanks for the info. And thanks in general as well. 90% of my uploads were approved by you in a few hours, also you've been really helpful in the comments/forums whenever you've replied to me.

And, while I'm thanking people, I wanted to say thanks to the rest of the staff as well. I'm a bit amazed at how you keep on top of the constant uploads, I feel like it takes a lot of work/dedication to do it day after day, not to mention all the tagging implications/aliases, flags, reports, or, I imagine, many other things that happen more behind the scenes that we don't really notice as much.

Mairo said:
As for that comic, colonel klinks artwork is the kind of artwork which is always on the line for getting deleted, but because they do comics mostly, that means that now even the stuff that's clearly not cut in here are approved simply because to keep comic as whole intact.

That just made me think of something. Couldn't someone quickly upload a few bad posts that show a sequence of events, and then claim it needs to be kept as it's part of a comic? Or is it only after a few have been approved that that applies?


And, while I remember as it really confused me, with two of my deleted posts, which were just WebMs cut short to make a shorter loop, I wondered what criteria differentiate deleted loops to ones that stay.

(I should clarify that I'm not asking, "why were my posts deleted," as if it's cut short, like mine were, then they're clearly inferior versions.)

While I was looking into it, I found a comment from NotMeNotYou here:
https://e621.net/forum/show/267861

That you don't allow edits that are just loops, at the same time I've seen several edits that seem to count as that. Maybe with a bit of conversion from WebM to GIF, but are essentially just a shorter loop. I'd also point out that a few looped GIFs are higher resolution, therefore counted as being better/different, but I've seen a lot that are just a GIF loop of a WebM or flash file.

The other thought was that they could come under the "bad/lazy edit" rule. So cropping a video would be deleted but cropping, resizing and making into a looped gif would be allowed?

I guess I'm just confused as to what falls under NMNY's comment, as "just looping."

That and after checking the rules, uploading guidelines and avoid posting list, I couldn't find anything, apart from that comment, that really mentioned loops. Only that submissions needed to be the same or better quality.

Quick edit:
And sorry for going off the topic of this thread, but I didn't really want to create a new thread just to ask you a question when I was already replying to you.

I thought of dmail-ing you a while ago, but didn't want you to get another one of "those" messages asking why posts were deleted, as I presumed you already got enough of them, then this just reminded me of my confusion over the looping thing.

Another edit, spelling mistake.

BlueTibbit said:
Never quite sure what to do with comics that have low quality or non-furry pictures in them.

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Especially that last one which is just a gradient which already has -3 score (but some funny comments to make up for it, ha), and one of them got me a neutral ping because I only added 3 tags.
It is part of the story, just not furry for that page. I'm considered not uploading them, but decided to upload and let the moderators decide. I'm okay with leaving it up to them and if I get a deleted post, that's fine :)

As long as they are part of the comic and the comic as whole is acceptable, those posts are fine.
Just remember tags like zero_pictured and human_only so that peoples blacklists work correctly and they don't see random comic pages without content.

Pupslut said:
That just made me think of something. Couldn't someone quickly upload a few bad posts that show a sequence of events, and then claim it needs to be kept as it's part of a comic? Or is it only after a few have been approved that that applies?


And, while I remember as it really confused me, with two of my deleted posts, which were just WebMs cut short to make a shorter loop, I wondered what criteria differentiate deleted loops to ones that stay.

(I should clarify that I'm not asking, "why were my posts deleted," as if it's cut short, like mine were, then they're clearly inferior versions.)

While I was looking into it, I found a comment from NotMeNotYou here:
https://e621.net/forum/show/267861

That you don't allow edits that are just loops, at the same time I've seen several edits that seem to count as that. Maybe with a bit of conversion from WebM to GIF, but are essentially just a shorter loop. I'd also point out that a few looped GIFs are higher resolution, therefore counted as being better/different, but I've seen a lot that are just a GIF loop of a WebM or flash file.

The other thought was that they could come under the "bad/lazy edit" rule. So cropping a video would be deleted but cropping, resizing and making into a looped gif would be allowed?

I guess I'm just confused as to what falls under NMNY's comment, as "just looping."

That and after checking the rules, uploading guidelines and avoid posting list, I couldn't find anything, apart from that comment, that really mentioned loops. Only that submissions needed to be the same or better quality.

Quick edit:
And sorry for going off the topic of this thread, but I didn't really want to create a new thread just to ask you a question when I was already replying to you.

I thought of dmail-ing you a while ago, but didn't want you to get another one of "those" messages asking why posts were deleted, as I presumed you already got enough of them, then this just reminded me of my confusion over the looping thing.

There has been cases of people uploading stuff that's clearly not furry and it completely getting deleted, I know at least one case where things had been restored once more pages came out and other wasn't as it turns out there was only single relevant image on whole comic. Then there has also been case of comic with tens of pages uploaded getting nuked because it turned out that 99% of it turned out to be human only even if it started with humanoid content.

So, keep our guidelines in mind when uploading comics with questionable relevancy. We can still retroactively deem the comic not worth having if it goes on and on without following the guidelines.

Also I work with posts and post IDs mostly, just vaguely asking that are loops allowed or not cannot be answered because it's case-by-case. I'm guessing you are talking about post #1839260 and post #1839249.
In these cases, the parent posts are original full versions where those posts are cut versions which count as edits, so they were deemed as inferior versions to full versions and partially as low quality edits to full versions. Both versions loop just fine and unedited uncut version simply has more content which is identical, so there's no need for us to host things twice, simply because of the audio being cut bit differendly.
uploading_guidelines#quality -> Edits
low effort edits (...cutting out parts...) are not allowed.
Pretty sure cutting the end of the video is part of the video that is cut.

As the visuals on that video are couple second loop looped thousand times, something like gif conversion of single loop is perfectly fine as we do allow differend filetypes for animated content. However your edit and full version were both videos, so this wouldn't count in either.

As long as you don't use blips which have goddamn 256 character limit which my non-native english speaking brain can't get around with to explain long sentences and links, every other channel (dmails, forums, discord, etc.) is fine. Worst I will do is just link to relevant part of uploading guidelines. Discord does also have dedicated helpdesk where other staff is also responding if I'm offline and as we all are obeying same guidelines usually other staff can at least check on situation as well.

Mairo said:
Also I work with posts and post IDs mostly, just vaguely asking that are loops allowed or not cannot be answered because it's case-by-case. I'm guessing you are talking about post #1839260 and post #1839249.
In these cases, the parent posts are original full versions where those posts are cut versions which count as edits, so they were deemed as inferior versions to full versions and partially as low quality edits to full versions. Both versions loop just fine and unedited uncut version simply has more content which is identical, so there's no need for us to host things twice, simply because of the audio being cut bit differendly.
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As the visuals on that video are couple second loop looped thousand times, something like gif conversion of single loop is perfectly fine as we do allow differend filetypes for animated content. However your edit and full version were both videos, so this wouldn't count in either.

Yeah, those were the posts I was asking about, though it was more to ask what kinds of loops are allowed and what would definitely be deleted, which you also answered as well.

Thanks again for clarifying things.

With you saying different file types are allowed for animations, do you mean that a five second WebM, flash and GIF would be allowed, even if they show exactly the same thing, presuming they meet quality standards?

Mairo said:
So, keep our guidelines in mind when uploading comics with questionable relevancy. We can still retroactively deem the comic not worth having if it goes on and on without following the guidelines.

This reminded me of another question I wanted to ask earlier:

Under the avoid posting page, it says:

Avoid posting these things.
[..]
Excessive webcomic rips (more than 5 or more consecutive webcomic pages)
[..]
The above can lead to disciplinary action (records) if they are repeatedly broken.

But, I presume, a few users exclusively post comics. Since we mentioned him earlier, Colonel__Klink comes to mind, there's one or two non-comic images, but the majority is comics.

Should it instead say "five comics per day," or something like that?
Or am I just missing something?

Thanks again.

The rule regarding webcomic rips is about self-hosted webcomics that don't appear on a normal gallery site, not just "any webcomic on the internet". Something like, say, Endtown or Twokinds would be deleted after 5 pages existed on e6 because it's only self-hosted (Gocomics, Keenspot), but a comic like Out-of-Placers would be fine to post because it's both on a normal gallery site (FA) as well as being self-hosted (on their own website, valsalia). Hope this helps.

Ratte said:
The rule regarding webcomic rips is about self-hosted webcomics that don't appear on normal a gallery site, not just "any webcomic on the internet". Something like, say, Endtown or Twokinds would be deleted after 5 pages existed on e6 because it's only self-hosted (Gocomics, Keenspot), but a comic like Out-of-Placers would be fine to post because it's both on a normal gallery site (FA) as well as being self-hosted (on their own website, valsalia). Hope this helps.

Ah, thank you very much for clarifying. I thought there must have been something I was missing, that makes a lot more sense.

Pupslut said:
Yeah, those were the posts I was asking about, though it was more to ask what kinds of loops are allowed and what would definitely be deleted, which you also answered as well.

Thanks again for clarifying things.

With you saying different file types are allowed for animations, do you mean that a five second WebM, flash and GIF would be allowed, even if they show exactly the same thing, presuming they meet quality standards?

As long as they make common sense, yes. Because all formats do have their good and bad sides to them and especially flash and webm have compatibility issues for users, so this way we can host best quality version while still allowing users to actually see the content.

Few examples.

Our old, now thank god permabanned, user robinebra had habit of taking under 1 second long low res GIF files and turn them into WebM video files. These do not serve any practical purpose because all devices that can view WebM can play GIFs, but also because origin is GIF there's no quality increase, only decrease. So in this case the sole purpose of these were to boost the users upload count and thus were deleted. In cases where GIFs are extremely long or extremely large, at that point the GIF to WebM conversion does make actual sense and can be allowed as it's simply much easier to view 1 MB WebM than it is 100 MB GIF.

If you have let's say 5 minutes long HD WebM here already, it's generally really hard to manage that into GIF so unless artist makes some official GIF variation or there's some loop in the middle of the animation, those aren't generally allowed as we would need thousand 20 MB GIF files which would get excessive.

With interactive flash files, as long as conversion is done with properly they can be accepted, rather than just changing scenes and options while recording your screen which are generally deleted as screencaps. This did happen a lot in past where single flash file could have 30 child posts generated from that.

But stuff like long playtime flash turned into video, looped video turned into gif file or stuff like twitter GIF which is actually MP4 is turned into both GIF and WebM, these are more than acceptable. Also the main goal is to still have the animation in here the best possible quality first and foremost!

Mairo said:
As long as they make common sense, yes. Because all formats do have their good and bad sides to them and especially flash and webm have compatibility issues for users, so this way we can host best quality version while still allowing users to actually see the content.

Few examples.
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Thanks once again for the info, and the examples. I really appreciate you replying with these longer posts to clarify and go over things for me.

And I definitely get the compatibility side of things, my phone tends to freeze on higher quality WebMs but it's fine with GIFs.

I always thought that if there was a five second WebM approved, and it's reuploaded as a GIF, then the GIF would need to be higher quality. So it's good to hear that you allow both formats, so long as they aren't actually worse than the approved versions.

And I think that's covered everything I wanted to ask, thanks again.