I fucked off over 8 years ago and came back a month ago. What the hell happened while I was gone? I remember this place being fun and full of jokes and bad humor and now I look at shit and I see people get hit with records and bans for small shit that no one used to care about! What happened to being able to make jokes and fun insults? Or the right to complain if something is garbage!?

I know I said some heinous shit back then but and I'm sorry for that and hid most that I'm not proud of but come on, what happened to being fun?

Just a lot of rule changes mostly. Like the old paid content rule on paid images over 2 years old is gone. Meaning no paid content. Dickgirl and cuntboy are andromorph and gynomorph now. Scientific terminology reasons. Just regular enforcement on the creepy comments rule. Also the loli term and content is becoming fubar on the net. E6 still hosts loli content, but Patreon and other sites don't like images portraying "underage" characters because "so and so" reasonings. That's just off the top of my head.

What happened was that the site transformed from place to share furry porn and admins to shitpost on, into website that tries to archive furry artwork and index it properly.

Also in favor of not biting the hand feeding e.g. creators and artists, stuff like comments are enforced equally so that they can be read by everyone and not only specific subset of users.

Even though I did register at 2011, it was only around 2014 I started to take this site seriously and see the purpose of it. Not entirely sure at which point before that changes had happened, but if the site was like it were, I would not be here.

Also we do finally have discord, so that has been generally the shitposting place for couple years now.

vex714 said:
Just a lot of rule changes mostly. Like the old paid content rule on paid images over 2 years old is gone. Meaning no paid content. Dickgirl and cuntboy are andromorph and gynomorph now. Scientific terminology reasons. Just regular enforcement on the creepy comments rule. Also the loli term and content is becoming fubar on the net. E6 still hosts loli content, but Patreon and other sites don't like images portraying "underage" characters because "so and so" reasonings. That's just off the top of my head.

Those are changes in last couple years, this person says they used to come here 8 years ago. Not sure but I think back then even gay tag was still in use.

I dunno, it seems like the recent changes to a more ''professional'' environment might be helpful in keeping the site on good terms with everyone (artists and external forces) while keeping it internally strong (lot less possibility for everyone to do as they please).

Sizebooru might be a good example of what happens with lax rules and implementation thereof, the site was one of the better ones fro maco/giant content, but seems to have imploded a while back due to trolls and people not caring.

I'm sorry if you feel that the site is less fun now, i can't really offer any comfort since it is the nature of most places to be ''wild'' in their early and then become more conservative as time wears on. But i can say that i've had some fun here and that many peeps are good and fun folk, you just gotta find your own fun (or as Mairo said, go over to the discord for rowdiness and use this site mostly for porn).

Mairo said:
Those are changes in last couple years, this person says they used to come here 8 years ago. Not sure but I think back then even gay tag was still in use.

Wow, sites come a long way from then. I just assumed male/male female/female etc. were there since the beginning. Since it made sense.

Then again, like you said there were many a shitpost then too. Those images were grandfathered in. These include statues, fursuits and irl things.

Rhyasa said:
What happened to being able to make jokes and fun insults? Or the right to complain if something is garbage!?

...

what happened to being fun?

I fail to see what's fun about any of that.

I'm probably "really stuck-up" or something but, when it comes to commenting on imagery, I would expect people to actually provide constructive comments rather than extremely pointless banter or completely uncalled for personal attacks and insults.

As far as I'm aware e621 was pretty "lawless wild-west" back in 2007. You must give the current staff a lot of credit for trying to undo that insanity and make things more civil and clean here.

vex714 said:

Mairo said:
Those are changes in last couple years, this person says they used to come here 8 years ago. Not sure but I think back then even gay tag was still in use.

Wow, sites come a long way from then. I just assumed male/male female/female etc. were there since the beginning. Since it made sense.

Then again, like you said there were many a shitpost then too. Those images were grandfathered in. These include statues, fursuits and irl things.

E6 discord is the designated shit posting area

vex714 said:
Just a lot of rule changes mostly. Like the old paid content rule on paid images over 2 years old is gone. Meaning no paid content. Dickgirl and cuntboy are andromorph and gynomorph now. Scientific terminology reasons. Just regular enforcement on the creepy comments rule. Also the loli term and content is becoming fubar on the net. E6 still hosts loli content, but Patreon and other sites don't like images portraying "underage" characters because "so and so" reasonings. That's just off the top of my head.

it sounds like a bunch of bullshit happened. Why get rid of the 2 year deal? The hell was wrong with cuntboy and dickgirl? Is self explanatory too much to ask for?

Mairo said:

Those are changes in last couple years, this person says they used to come here 8 years ago. Not sure but I think back then even gay tag was still in use.

What happened to the gay tag?!

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
I dunno, it seems like the recent changes to a more ''professional'' environment might be helpful in keeping the site on good terms with everyone (artists and external forces) while keeping it internally strong (lot less possibility for everyone to do as they please).

Sizebooru might be a good example of what happens with lax rules and implementation thereof, the site was one of the better ones fro maco/giant content, but seems to have imploded a while back due to trolls and people not caring.

I'm sorry if you feel that the site is less fun now, i can't really offer any comfort since it is the nature of most places to be ''wild'' in their early and then become more conservative as time wears on. But i can say that i've had some fun here and that many peeps are good and fun folk, you just gotta find your own fun (or as Mairo said, go over to the discord for rowdiness and use this site mostly for porn).

Sure places mature like people do but this place is hardly recognizable from the comments and shit people post. Everything feels so reserved now and it makes me feel like something good was lost. This place used to be its own and now it feels like a tumblr furaffinity twitter hybrid clone on coke with only the worst aspects

Cactus said:
E6 discord is the designated shit posting area

discord keeps banning accounts I make fucking demanding I give them a phone number. I'm not giving them shit, I already got fucked by google

KynikossDragonn said:
I fail to see what's fun about any of that.

I'm probably "really stuck-up" or something but, when it comes to commenting on imagery, I would expect people to actually provide constructive comments rather than extremely pointless banter or completely uncalled for personal attacks and insults.

As far as I'm aware e621 was pretty "lawless wild-west" back in 2007. You must give the current staff a lot of credit for trying to undo that insanity and make things more civil and clean here.

see what I said to Haljkljavahlibrz (best name)

For what e621 is now I like it, and if you're a sensible person you almost don't need to read the rules to be okay because most of it is common sense :/

From most people with old accounts the older site doesn't sound like it was a nice place.... like people getting perma banned because it was "lobster week"

Rhyasa said: it sounds like a bunch of bullshit happened. Why get rid of the 2 year deal?

Much like you, I liked the 2 year thing. I pretty much got here when it was going away.

I believe that the reasoning behind it was to not piss off artists. Artists have the power to ask to remove all their work to the site. So if they see paid stuff here, then they'll get pissed and may just say "remove everything". In essence it's to keep artists happy and show respect for their works. That's what I'm getting at, and that may be the exact reasoning behind it. To me it's understandable.

Rhyasa said:
discord keeps banning accounts I make fucking demanding I give them a phone number. I'm not giving them shit

Same. Discord can fuck off.

Rhyasa said:
it sounds like a bunch of bullshit happened. Why get rid of the 2 year deal? The hell was wrong with cuntboy and dickgirl? Is self explanatory too much to ask for? What happened to the gay tag?!

You can still search those tags and they will work, they are just aliased to different things. gay is male/male or m/m.

The 2 year deal was just arbitrarily condoned copyright infringement, so the deal was altered.

Rhyasa said:
Sure places mature like people do but this place is hardly recognizable from the comments and shit people post. Everything feels so reserved now and it makes me feel like something good was lost. This place used to be its own and now it feels like a tumblr furaffinity twitter hybrid clone on coke with only the worst aspects

Don't be a complete asshole and you'll be fine. e621 is nowhere near the complete hugbox that FurAffinity is. It just isn't a *chan board.

Rhyasa said:
Why get rid of the 2 year deal?

It wasn't a "deal" in any sense of the word. None of the paysites agreed to it, it was only an arbitrary time length this place set. As far as legality goes, it doesn't matter if it's 2 years, 1 year, 10 years, or immediately.

The hell was wrong with cuntboy and dickgirl?

Unnecessarily crass, given they could be applied to Safe or marginally Questionable images. Similar reason why it's breasts instead of tits, butt instead of ass, etc.

What happened to the gay tag?!

It's male/male now. It helps it fit a pattern with male/female, intersex/ambiguous, etc, for pairings. It's also less ambiguous as to its meaning, as many people kept using the old tag incorrectly. The wiki page has a link to the forum discussion about the change.

Rhyasa said:
I fucked off over 8 years ago and came back a month ago.

Well, welcome back! I'd say I hope you're enjoying being back, but I think we can safely say that you're finding it a bit frustrating.

What the hell happened while I was gone?

Life happened. time happened. We grew up.

I remember this place being fun

Fun's pretty subjective. I dunno how old you were 8 years ago, but I don't find a lot of the things I was into 8 years ago fun anymore. I was a brat back then. I'm sure in 8 years, I will say I was a brat now. but we grow over time.

websites aren't people, but they have to grow too.

and full of jokes and bad humor

Well... we still have lots of jokes and humor. It might be possible that we keep the leash a bit too tight in regards to some things, but, well, we're growing. and generally speaking, if someone says "I'm not sure if this is okay" ... we give it a listen, you know? And some types of humor are just really inappropriate.

and now I look at shit and I see people get hit with records and bans for small shit that no one used to care about! What happened to being able to make jokes and fun insults?

honestly? if someone is complaining about you insulting them, then they clearly don't find your insult fun.

I mean, been there, done that, bought the life long crippling self doubt that plagues me years later. It's not fun to make a person, or a group of people the butt of your jokes.

Joke with your friends however you want to... but even then, it's a tricky thing. I've got a friend who you can say whatever you want to him, and he knows you're joking, but there's one specific name that if you call him that, it hurts him. I have another friend who doesn't mind some friendly namecalling, but gets really sensitive if you start insulting their traits and habits. Personally, I can only take teasing insults from a very few specific people, because I know they don't mean to hurt me.

(Funny story there too -- one of the friends I trust to gently tease me has a kid. The kid, one day, decided to get in on the SnowWolf teasing and said something like they usually say to me. I felt rather shocked and while I was still processing what the kid had said, their parents jumped on her because... why would you say something like that?? to which the answer was, basically, that it was the sort of thing they say to me all the time and... well, everyone learned some things that day.)

But I mean, in general, I'd rather lift up my friends and be positive and love other people, y'know? if all you have to say is something hurtful... should you really say it?

Or the right to complain if something is garbage!?

you can critisize if you want to. "this is garbage" is just insulting though.

Like... don't like the content? you have a blacklist. (or as we said 8 years ago... blacklist or die.)

and think about this okay? While we request people ask for permission before uploading, that doens't always happen. So, there you are: browsing the internet, and you find where someone has, without your knowledge, uploaded your art to e621. At first you feel flattered, but then you realize that despite the uploader's best intentions, the comments are full of insults, and harassment. Even on the posts you made to be silly, or your old work. Treating that thing you did for a friend like it's your idea of the pinnacle of artistic creation. Throwing down insults on how the piece of artwork you did to help you deal with your dog/grandma/whatever dying was gross looking. etc etc.

Yeah, not a good feeling.

And there is such a big difference between "I don't like this artist's work" and "this artist is garbage"....

we defend polite critique. we are not here to delete comments talking about how a work could be better. we don't punish people just because some artist can't take some critique. but "you're a garbage artist" is not really constructive.

I know I said some heinous shit back then but and I'm sorry for that and hid most that I'm not proud of but come on, what happened to being fun?

Heinous shit is not fun, man. There are lots of ways to be fun still. we just don't like attacking people or groups of people specifically, y'know?

And we havn't allowed creepy comments since barbados. because no one was enjoying that.

Rhyasa said:
I know I said some heinous shit back then but and I'm sorry for that and hid most that I'm not proud of but come on, what happened to being fun?

Political/ideological agendas happened across most of society. Long confirmed tried and true concepts like "sticks and stones" were forcefully replaced with fallacies like WMD.. (i.e. "words of mass 'destruction'") Sadly even the net is now falling to such agendas/ideologies.

By the sound of it, e621 back in the day was a typical example of old internet culture. People could take the bantz, say what they will without being in a constant state of paranoia about whether you're being offensive, and generally just be able to interact in a free and organic way with the understanding that people will say mean things or talk about subject matters you may not like while taking stances you may not agree with, but as long as it wasn't overtaking genuine content, than you just had to get over yourself and move on, or in the latter example be mature enough to either ignore it or have a reasonable conversation about why they may be right/wrong.

Now it's seeped in nu-internet culture, as best exemplified by the likes of reddit, tumblr, etc. where any sort of critical negativity, or really anything that may push someone's buttons / hurt someones feelings in a non-locally approved way (so really, saying anything of meaning against the grain) will either be disregarded as being (with a incorrect use of) 'trolling' or just outright deleted / reported / banned. Better not say anything 'significantly' against whatever may be local culturally approved, or otherwise you're automatically gonna get labeled as some mix of misused and/or spammed to meaningless terms and titles and get digitally lynched.

e6 ain't the worst example of this latter phenomena, but they certainly tick a fair number of nu-internet culture boxes.

So in the end, it didn't "grow up", it got hyper sensitive and grew a thin skin. Which in a below surface level way regressed from being "grown up", regardless of whatever amount of immaturity may have seemed to be before.

Also, I vehemently disagree with any sentiment that this place is "an archive", you can't call yourself an archive if you willingly toss out / make inaccessible any examples of what you claim to archive, for any reason, no if's and's or but's. If you let the fleeting feelings of anyone, regardless of relevancy, dictate the archives effectiveness, then that makes the entire effort of archiving entirely pointless. As when it's decades after the fact, and either the people in question have either moved on or are literally dead, it makes the work in question equally as lost to history whether it wasn't archived properly or never archived at all.

Rhyasa said:
... what happened to being fun?

You seem pretty angry about the changes. Welcome back, but take your time to work yourself into the community and see what it has become, rather than begrudging what you perceive as lost.

KynikossDragonn said:
I fail to see what's fun about any of that.

I agree. I've been here for ten years, and I think the site is better now than it's ever been.

Anonomn said:
By the sound of it, e621 back in the day was a typical example of old internet culture. [...] Now it's seeped in nu-internet culture, as best exemplified by the likes of reddit, tumblr, etc.

Real talk, though, how much of this was "the primary demographics of these communities literally grew older?

There was a lot of shit I found "normal" as a teenager and in college dorms, that I just don't want to have to deal with anymore. I remember coming back to a college dorm just 5 years after graduating, because it was where I was overnighting after coming in from out-of-state for a speaking gig at my alma mater. Not saying it was any different from how I remembered, just that my shit tolerance was way lower than it used to be.

<insert Lethal Weapon meme: "I'm too old for this shit.">

Anonomn said:
Also, I vehemently disagree with any sentiment that this place is "an archive", you can't call yourself an archive if you willingly toss out / make inaccessible any examples of what you claim to archive, for any reason, no if's and's or but's.

You mean reasons like, "The person had no right to provide the site with a copy of the material in the first place?" Or "the copyright holder asserted their ownership and refused to grant the site a license to distribute the material, or subsequently revoked the site's license?" So like, if I rip the new, yet-to-be-released Sonic the Hedgehog movie and then upload it to the site (somehow), the site can't call itself an archive unless it makes that illegal content viewable?

Welcome to the No Fun Zone, I'll be your guide on this non-fun adventure. Spoiler: Fun is illegal

edgy

honestly more toxic people need to be removed from here

iceink said:
edgy

honestly more toxic people need to be removed from here

Can you not?
This isn't your site, we will deal with users how we see fit, not how you see fit.

Chaser said:
Can you not?
This isn't your site, we will deal with users how we see fit, not how you see fit.

Wait, aren't both of you part of the same post-modernist leftist illuminati that took over E6?

BirdOfGrain said:
Wait, aren't both of you part of the same post-modernist leftist illuminati that took over E6?

Lmao no.
You can make a probably correct assumption from this and my other forum posts where I stand. However I leave my politics behind when dealing with e621.
On e621, my politics is enforcing the law of our Führer NotMeNotYou.

Chaser said:
Can you not?
This isn't your site, we will deal with users how we see fit, not how you see fit.

if you how do that is still shitty then it's going to be pointed out, whether you're comfortable with fair criticism or not

good luck 'leaving your politics behind' while trying to act like an edgy 'ironic' nazi and defending transphobic slurs

We have to kick out all the alt-right lefty Nazi SJW admins to Make e621 Great Again.

Lance_Armstrong said:
We have to kick out all the alt-right lefty Nazi SJW admins to Make e621 Great Again.

And probably all the furries as well! Only way to be safe. *nods*

Drkfce0 said:
And probably all the furries as well! Only way to be safe. *nods*

To be fair, the bestiality rule has made a dent. 🙊

Lance_Armstrong said:
To be fair, the bestiality rule has made a dent. 

too real

.. Interesting how that character shows up as an emote in Lance's message, but as a box containing 'F6 4A' when Fenrick quoted Lance's message. That's probably a bug.

@Rhyasa is this what "fun" looked like 8 years ago:

https://youtu.be/F0aoxgtoQZw

WARNING - funny but very nsfw owo

Rhyasa said:
I fucked off over 8 years ago and came back a month ago. What the hell happened while I was gone? I remember this place being fun and full of jokes and bad humor and now I look at shit and I see people get hit with records and bans for small shit that no one used to care about! What happened to being able to make jokes and fun insults? Or the right to complain if something is garbage!?

I know I said some heinous shit back then but and I'm sorry for that and hid most that I'm not proud of but come on, what happened to being fun?

A real admin team happened and not the garbage from 8 years ago.

Happened slightly after Bad Dragon bought the site

Lance_Armstrong said:
To be fair, the bestiality rule has made a dent. 

Oh shit, for a sec I thought you were talking about as a whole.. was like "what? o_O".. but yeah, I here you.. can only imagine before that... >_<

What slightly irks me is that apparently, besitality is basically consiederd as to be ''two-legs getting it on with four-legs+'', i know that sentience is in some cases hard to gauge, but the rule seems to be a bit...un-elegant :/.

Also, how exactly was E621 before the bestiality rule? owo

Chaser said:
Can you not?
This isn't your site, we will deal with users how we see fit, not how you see fit.

I mean, its true. There are a lot of toxic users who have been here for years.

There's really no reason to fly off the handle at a single user for bringing the fact up, it happens in literally every community over time. All they said was that there needs to be more done about the toxicity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Haljkljavahlibrz said:
What slightly irks me is that apparently, besitality is basically consiederd as to be ''two-legs getting it on with four-legs+'', i know that sentience is in some cases hard to gauge, but the rule seems to be a bit...un-elegant :/.

But it's true!
If sapient simian does it with a non-sapient human in Planet of the Apes, that's bestiality, right?

Munkelzahn said:
But it's true!
If sapient simian does it with a non-sapient human in Planet of the Apes, that's bestiality, right?

Basically, yes, just as it would be if i went and banged a Homo Erectus.

Demesejha said:
I mean, its true. There are a lot of toxic users who have been here for years.

There's really no reason to fly off the handle at a single user for bringing the fact up, it happens in literally every community over time. All they said was that there needs to be more done about the toxicity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The problem is your and their idea of toxicity isn't in violation of the rules. We are not going to turn the site into a safe space that bans people with the wrong opinions.
See the part where they claim I am defending "transphobic slurs" or the part they think Nazis should be banned. They are complaining about dickgirl and cuntboy, or maybe andromorph and gynomorph, or maybe even Herm. I've explained this many many times before, those are not transphobic slurs, 99% of the time the characters that qualify for those tags were born like that. These terms existed before transgender was mainstream(meaning where most people were aware of transgender people and issues). It is biased if you ask me considering those type of people(SJWs) get upset over misgendering, but they can misgender people all they want and still play the victim card.

If we banned "toxic" people, or people with the wrong opinion, that makes it very vague on what counts as a violation of the rules and could lead to abuse. For example, if this was the case, what would stop me from banning you or iceink for seeing your and their behavior as "toxic"? It wouldn't be fair would it?
As you can see, doing this would be a very slippery slope into banning everyone(since we have admins with all sorts of differing political views), then causing admins to overrule other admins causing internal arguing, and eventually killing the site.

I see where you're coming from, Chaser. At the same time, it's interesting to me that admin won't patrol speech that is widely regarded as offensive, but does speak up ("Can you not?") when a user calls it out for being offensive.

Why would admin police one but not the other? If you choose not to say anything about offensive speech, why not give the same courtesy to someone who speaks up against it?

CCoyote said:
I see where you're coming from, Chaser. At the same time, it's interesting to me that admin won't patrol speech that is widely regarded as offensive, but does speak up ("Can you not?") when a user calls it out for being offensive.

Why would admin police one but not the other? If you choose not to say anything about offensive speech, why not give the same courtesy to someone who speaks up against it?

Simply put: If it is in the rules, I will enforce it. I won't enforce imaginary rules though.

Chaser said:
Simply put: If it is in the rules, I will enforce it. I won't enforce imaginary rules though.

There are rules against promoting national, racial, and ethnic hatred, as well as insultingly referring to any aspect of sexual orientation pertaining to oneself or other members.

As far as I know, there isn't any rule against calling out these toxic behaviors, as long as you're not backseat moderating or committing harassment or defamation.

Am I reading that correctly?

CCoyote said:
There are rules against promoting national, racial, and ethnic hatred, as well as insultingly referring to any aspect of sexual orientation pertaining to oneself or other members.

As far as I know, there isn't any rule against calling out these toxic behaviors, as long as you're not backseat moderating or committing harassment or defamation.

Am I reading that correctly?

If done in a constructive and non-hostile manor without backseat moderating, I don't see a problem calling out those behaviors, however it is best to just report it and let administration deal with it to avoid fighting.

Chaser said:
If done in a constructive and non-hostile manor without backseat moderating, I don't see a problem calling out those behaviors, however it is best to just report it and let administration deal with it to avoid fighting.

👍

Holy fuck this started out lame and then got better! Maybe there's still hope for this hellhole! :D

Ive looked around. What happened to old staff and who are the new fags? (that's a joke for those of you who don't know)

Rhyasa said:
Holy fuck this started out lame and then got better! Maybe there's still hope for this hellhole! :D

Ive looked around. What happened to old staff and who are the new fags? (that's a joke for those of you who don't know)

Woah, hey guys! Welcome to EB games

Chaser said:
The problem is your and their idea of toxicity isn't in violation of the rules.

Rules are meaningless. What matters is who enforces them, for the same reason that the statement "marriage will be equal under the law" can be interpreted as "everyone can equally marry someone of the opposite sex, but not the same sex" versus "everyone can marry someone else equally regardless of sex" depending on the biases of the one interpreting it. Which of these is okay, and which isn't?

We are not going to turn the site into a safe space that bans people with the wrong opinions.

Who said anything about safe spaces, lol? It's almost like you can't justify your position without invoking paranoia over some scary imposing force of SJWism that's going to come in and.. do what.. exactly?

See the part where they claim I am defending "transphobic slurs" or the part they think Nazis should be banned. They are complaining about dickgirl and cuntboy, or maybe andromorph and gynomorph, or maybe even Herm. I've explained this many many times before, those are not transphobic slurs, 99% of the time the characters that qualify for those tags were born like that. These terms existed before transgender was mainstream(meaning where most people were aware of transgender people and issues).

These are slurs. A slur is defined as a derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people. Trying to bend around the context is not any different from someone saying "it's okay for me to call a transwoman a trap because they're born male" or "I didn't call that person the n-word because they're black, I called them a spearchucker instead"

It's weird you use the past use of these words in context to why it's okay to be used now?? It's almost like these words are archaic and existed to dehumanize and degrade people in a certain time period, but culture changed and people realized these words were shitty to use, just like every other slur in existence. Unless, of course you're still stuck in the past or need a reason to cling to your own personal hatred of those groups.

It is biased if you ask me considering those type of people(SJWs) get upset over misgendering, but they can misgender people all they want and still play the victim card.

I get that you completely misunderstand the experiences of transpeople, because you don't listen to them when they are speaking against your biases, and are clearly transphobic. But if someone is trans and they misgender someone, that's still not great. The difference is they'll probably feel they did something inappropriate, but I'm guessing you wouldn't. With a name like 'chaser' I wonder if you would be so self-aware.

If we banned "toxic" people, or people with the wrong opinion, that makes it very vague on what counts as a violation of the rules and could lead to abuse. For example, if this was the case, what would stop me from banning you or iceink for seeing your and their behavior as "toxic"? It wouldn't be fair would it?
As you can see, doing this would be a very slippery slope into banning everyone(since we have admins with all sorts of differing political views), then causing admins to overrule other admins causing internal arguing, and eventually killing the site.

Nothing stops you from banning anyone on the basis of serving your own biases, as I'm sure you'd love to do. The problem is that you seem to think your current interpretation is 'fair' when just a few days I reported a message about being called an idiot by someone based on what they said, and you conveniently appeared to say you thought about saying the same thing based on agreeing with what they said. I grabbed screenshots of the whole thing just for the sake of it.

Again, your intent to interpret 'fairness' as 'favoring what I already agree with' is possibly fair in your own head. But to some of us it's going to come across as very very lousy.

iceink said:
It's almost like you can't justify your position without invoking paranoia over some scary imposing force of SJWism that's going to come in and.. do what.. exactly?

This is a personal attack

iceink said:
These are slurs.

No. Stop appropriating our words.

iceink said:
Unless, of course you're still stuck in the past or need a reason to cling to your own personal hatred of those groups.

Personal attack

iceink said:
I get that you completely misunderstand the experiences of transpeople, because you don't listen to them when they are speaking against your biases, and are clearly transphobic.

Personal attack

iceink said:
With a name like 'chaser' I wonder if you would be so self-aware.

Personal attack

iceink said:
I grabbed screenshots of the whole thing just for the sake of it.

Possible slander

This is all I will say because I'm not going to get myself in trouble calling you out on stuff other than rule violations.
Arguing with you isn't worth losing my position over.

Yeah, lets not.