I have noticed that over time, some of my old uploads have been ignored,
and without approval after 31 days automatically deleted, even tho
they have all met the site rules and standards!

The worst part is that even tho it is not my fault that they got no approval,
(since if there was anything wrong with them they would have been removed
way before 31 days have passed...) I'm still the one getting punished for this,
because all those uploads count towards my deleted posts, so in general my uploads
are limited greatly, I can only upload 10 times.
The content I've uploaded was not a bad quality!
Even if the system says:
"This post was deleted or flagged for the following reasons:
[FLAG] Automatic Removal: Does not meet minimum quality standards(In approval queue for 31 days.)"

There are far worst quality stuff here on e621 already approved.

The only "bad thing" about these animation was that it had content in them that even
tho does not break the site rules, bothers some sensitive people.

So my question is:
Is this a normal thing on this site?
Does this happen often to you other uploaders aswell?
If the content is not against the site rules and quality is good,
why didn't those uploads got approved and been ignored to get deleted
this way?

Here are some examples:
https://e621.net/posts/1831352
https://e621.net/posts/1829368
https://e621.net/posts/1825713

This is only a few, a lot more of my uploads "vanished" this way.

EDIT:
I really hope this will stop happening to my uploads, because otherwise
my upload limit will suffer for it greatly!

I upload according to site rules.
The VERY few first uploads I did, had only humans in them,
so those 2 uploads got deleted, and that is absolutely fine.
(Also those got deleted normally, not by letting them float around for 31 days!)

The 31 days rule is for borderline quality. It's "okay" content, not horrible, but not great either. If it's sat for 31 days, nobody thought it was good enough to be considered quality artwork. I can't point out anything specific, because none of those images had their source attached, though looking at 4ere4nik's pixiv, they seem to be reused models which are an easy source of the 31 day rule.

You should post sources for your uploads. That way even if they are deleted, people can still view the content material.

furrin_gok said:
The 31 days rule is for borderline quality. It's "okay" content, not horrible, but not great either. If it's sat for 31 days, nobody thought it was good enough to be considered quality artwork. I can't point out anything specific, because none of those images had their source attached, though looking at 4ere4nik's pixiv, they seem to be reused models which are an easy source of the 31 day rule.

It's impossible to know for any uploader what will be considered "It's "okay" content, not horrible, but not great either." and since deleted posts have a negative effect on this site for the uploader it is unfair punishment.

Like I said above: "There are far worst quality stuff here on e621 already approved."
So I calculated my uploads to be above that certain treshold, and most of them were all good quality.
One of my acually lower quality even got approved, since there are low quality ones on the site like that and promptly get replaced by higher quality versions after a few months as people find better versions of them over the net.

If posts deleted by this "31 day rule" wouldn't count toward the deleted post and therefore have a heavy negative effect on my uploading limit, I wouldn't care, but since they do count, I'm (or anyone else aswell) being punished unfairly.

thevileone said:
You should post sources for your uploads. That way even if they are deleted, people can still view the content material.

I'm an old collector of rare internet CG material, and back then it wasn't a thing to have the source info added or to even know what it was, many things I have found on other sites like Rule34 and similar, and had no artist or source information, others I have found in torrents or other sites/forums that had since been erased.

I think I found the middle image. I think it's a rather disturbing image, but it doesn't look that bad. I've seen far worse animations on the site.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/62519831

kemonophonic said:
All of these were removed over a year ago. Why bring it up now?

Because they are hurting my upload limit and also because it is an unfair thing since most of them WERE all good quality and I feel the reason of non approval is that some of the people who should have approved them ingored them for a reason that is, the content of the animations were against their personal beliefs or liking.

thevileone said:
I think I found the middle image. I think it's a rather disturbing image, but it doesn't look that bad. I've seen far worse animations on the site.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/62519831

Yes that was one of them, and yes it is good quality.

Now you guys can see what I'm talking about.

This is proof that the site might have been compromised by some individuals
who are against certain content.

I belive as long as it is within site rules, I should be able to upload any type of content
regardless of the admins or mods personal oppinions. (Or whoever is suppose to approve these animations.)

Keep in mind that quality standards is the default reason. An image could have been ignored for any number of policy reasons. That animation may have not been viewed as relevant to the site. There may be quality issues I overlooked. I didn't take a deep look at the animation quality, and standards have gotten more strict recently in terms of animated content.

thevileone said:
Keep in mind that quality standards is the default reason. An image could have been ignored for any number of policy reasons. That animation may have not been viewed as relevant to the site. There may be quality images I overlooked. I didn't take a deep look at the animation quality, and standards have gotten more strict recently in terms of animated content.

Even if that is true.

It's impossible to know for any uploader what will be considered "low quality" other then comparing it to already approved stuff, as recent as possible, and since deleted posts have a negative effect on this site for the uploader it is unfair punishment.

"Quality" is subjective.
Even if the content get's no approval, the uploader shouldn't get punished.

How could anyone know what will be "deemed worthy" by the person who takes a look at it for approval,
not to mention that these people are only human too, some people are greatly influenced by their own belives
so it is absolutely possible that some of the uploads get no approval for that reason even if the quality
is good, in fact better then some other stuff approved at the same time period.

The automods bio clearly states to be in contact with NotMeNotYou.
I would actually want to see more actually competent people to become janitors here, so we would have more eyeballs on stuff, rather than yet again new forum thread of "my posts have been deleted".

horny_worgen said:
It's impossible to know for any uploader what will be considered "It's "okay" content, not horrible, but not great either." and since deleted posts have a negative effect on this site for the uploader it is unfair punishment.

Like I said above: "There are far worst quality stuff here on e621 already approved."
So I calculated my uploads to be above that certain treshold, and most of them were all good quality.
One of my acually lower quality even got approved, since there are low quality ones on the site like that and promptly get replaced by higher quality versions after a few months as people find better versions of them over the net.

If posts deleted by this "31 day rule" wouldn't count toward the deleted post and therefore have a heavy negative effect on my uploading limit, I wouldn't care, but since they do count, I'm (or anyone else aswell) being punished unfairly.

*sigh*
I would hope that people would learn a goddamn math before going around saying that deleted posts are unfair punishments.
You will have to have 40 posts deleted and 0 approved before your upload counter will hit 0 and as you can initially only post 10 uploads before they are either approved or deleted, if all are deleted then you should have some indication that something is wrong here.
Additionally, 10 approved posts raise the limit by 1 and 4 deleted lower it by 1, so you will have to be abysmal at uploading material for this to effect you in any meaningful manner.
Also once you hit 30, you will also notice that site has max 30 uploads/hour hard cap for all users including staff.

Like, the solution is extremely simple: upload more posts. Also if you can manage to hit 0 somehow, staff has manual tuning on the counter if it does seem like the lowering was unforseeable, like paid content ban couple years back where many users dedicated for posting doujins had their upload limits into negative hundreds instantly.

Additionally, fucking hate users who come to me with the "but look at this post" argument as well. If you read the uploading guidelines, it clearly underlines that old posts have been grandfathered. The initial staff of the site got by rules of "if staff likes it, it stays" so we have gifs of real life twerking dogs because haha funi. But just because we have gifs of real life twerking dogs, doesn't mean we accept them anymore.

horny_worgen said:
Yes that was one of them, and yes it is good quality.

Now you guys can see what I'm talking about.

This is proof that the site might have been compromised by some individuals
who are against certain content.

I belive as long as it is within site rules, I should be able to upload any type of content
regardless of the admins or mods personal oppinions. (Or whoever is suppose to approve these animations.)

You make it sound like there's some kind of huge contriversy you have discovered, when in reality we do delete a bunch of stuff daily here.

Additionally our main focus is still drawn furry artwork, not SFM humanoid porn. Additionally with 3D material, we try to value what has been done with the assets rather than how it looks overall, as assets used already look good when they are ripped from games or freely distributed.

horny_worgen said:
I'm an old collector of rare internet CG material, and back then it wasn't a thing to have the source info added or to even know what it was, many things I have found on other sites like Rule34 and similar, and had no artist or source information, others I have found in torrents or other sites/forums that had since been erased.

So, you mean to say you suck at sourcing :P
Because the first example you gave, post #1831352, single saucenao search tells it's animation made by blueberg according to sankaku complex, yet the post has zero artist tags nor sources. They used to exclusively post on tumblr, but they after that started twitter and mastodon accounts and are running patreon: https://e621.net/artists/44243
Sankaku complex doesn't have source listed for this particular video and it seems like tumblr crawlers were failing, so the animation is most likely only on patreon now.

horny_worgen said:
Here are some examples:
https://e621.net/posts/1831352
https://e621.net/posts/1829368
https://e621.net/posts/1825713

- Don't remember even seeing, but there's issues with the file it seems.
- I remember this clearly as I did not deem human with mutated/burned face and hat to be humanoid and thus not acceptable under our guidelines.
- Remember seeing this one as well, saw the horns and wings as halloween costume rather than something that would've made the characters humanoid, but like with most of these posts which ultimately fall to automod, I couldn't fully justify that so I left in in queue. This is good example of the material that shouldn't be acceptable to begin with here, but which we do still allow to some extend.

"- I remember this clearly as I did not deem human with mutated/burned face and hat to be humanoid and thus not acceptable under our guidelines."

That is the exact reason I first check if a creature is allowed here, and as I see it is:
https://e621.net/posts/1551917
and then I upload if I have found proof it is allowed.

I'm sure that before I uploaded that one, I also checked if Silent Hill nurse characters are allowed or not, and found some, so I have uploaded.

This is the perfect example of the "person who takes a look to approve has a personal oppinion about it".

I'm glad that at least we are all on the same page and even if I find it extremely annoying that all of my uploads might get deleted based on personal oppinion instead of easy to follow and understand site rules, there is clearly nothing I can do about it if this is how the site works.

At least I have got an answer, and I'm happy for that, so thank you for takeing the time to explain it to me.

Hopefully others who might wonder the same thing about their uploads will find this information useful.

Also I would like to mention that I aim to upload some more rare/extreme CG animated content in the future aswell, since I find it important (and part of my hobby and also part of my beliefs) that art should be protected, even if it is some weird or extreme one, as long as it is within the site rules and good enough quality I will try to upload them.

"If it exists there is porn of it. No exceptions."

They will eighter get accepted or float around for 31 days I guess before they get deleted.
I will have to accept that this is also a part of this site and stop feeling frustrated about it.

I will try to keep preserving and shareing rare/extreme art that people would otherwise never ever see.

"Images already exist with this character/species" isn't a good excuse. Rules change, but old images that are already on remain. The rules got stricter, meaning less stuff is trickling through, but they're not going to delete old stuff unless it starts violating a new law.

horny_worgen said:
That is the exact reason I first check if a creature is allowed here, and as I see it is:
https://e621.net/posts/1551917
and then I upload if I have found proof it is allowed.

I'm sure that before I uploaded that one, I also checked if Silent Hill nurse characters are allowed or not, and found some, so I have uploaded.

This is the perfect example of the "person who takes a look to approve has a personal oppinion about it".

I'm glad that at least we are all on the same page and even if I find it extremely annoying that all of my uploads might get deleted based on personal oppinion instead of easy to follow and understand site rules, there is clearly nothing I can do about it if this is how the site works.

At least I have got an answer, and I'm happy for that, so thank you for takeing the time to explain it to me.

That post is superior version of post #1142840, which was uploaded couple years earlier, which was handled by someone else.
Interpretation can differ and posts can be approved accidentally, additionally you will not see deleted posts by default and have to use status:any or status:deleted.
Also like I mentioned, this is furry artwork website, so even if stuff like this is in approved posts, this is still the kind of content that is on the gray area and can be deemed irrelevant for us. Also there has been purges of specific characters even after they have been approved.

horny_worgen said:
"If it exists there is porn of it. No exceptions."

This isn't pornsite tho, you might be looking for rule34 pornsites.
Paheal and rule34.xxx are couple blocks down and right, Sankaku complex is one block further. If you see anything furry related on the way tell them to come this way.

"If you see anything furry related on the way tell them to come this way."

Nekopara was furry related, it is also relatively new and rare, lot of people like it, and all got deleted, even the ones that already got approved, crippling my upload limit from max 10 down to only max 6.

I really can't understand the "Paysite/commercial content. / Screencap." reason eighter, there was no text on the animations or any link to a paysite!

To me it seems whatever I upload there's a 70% chance it will get deleted. For one reason or the other.

https://e621.net/posts/2258040
https://e621.net/posts/2258048
https://e621.net/posts/2258049
https://e621.net/posts/2258058
https://e621.net/posts/2258062
https://e621.net/posts/2258075
https://e621.net/posts/2258077
https://e621.net/posts/2258083
https://e621.net/posts/2258089
https://e621.net/posts/2259040
https://e621.net/posts/2259042
https://e621.net/posts/2259049
https://e621.net/posts/2259053
https://e621.net/posts/2259057
https://e621.net/posts/2259067
https://e621.net/posts/2259070
https://e621.net/posts/2259073
https://e621.net/posts/2259061

horny_worgen said:
I really can't understand the "Paysite/commercial content. / Screencap." reason eighter, there was no text on the animations or any link to a paysite!

How is any of that a defence? If you're having trouble figuring out if things are free content or not just stick to official sources, and don't post anything if you don't know where it's from.
The way you're framing it with there was no text on the animations or any link to a paysite! makes it sound like you're either hoping to slip stuff past the rules. or genuinely just uploading stuff people are sharing around with no regard to where it's sourced from.

What are you even talking about? Since when it is a rule to have a source or your upload get's deleted?

As far as I know, none of the above is an issue of the content I have uploaded, so if you can't show me proof that I have uploaded content that is on the "banned, do not upload" list then you are only assuming something that is false and punishing me for no reason for it.

Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: content listed in the "Avoid Posting List" ?
Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: commercial or pay-to-view content ?

horny_worgen said:
What are you even talking about? Since when it is a rule to have a source or your upload get's deleted?

As far as I know, none of the above is an issue of the content I have uploaded, so if you can't show me proof that I have uploaded content that is on the "banned, do not upload" list then you are only assuming something that is false and punishing me for no reason for it.

Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: content listed in the "Avoid Posting List" ?
Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: commercial or pay-to-view content ?

Although it is a little hard to be sure, if these posts were rips of animations from the games that would come under the DNP section for pay content: "Pay Content (Patreon, art CDs, art packs sold through PayPal, etc. etc.)". If that were the case it was probably deleted because they were animations from a commercial product and not legitimately available for free.

As I said though, difficult to be certain without seeing them.

horny_worgen said:
What are you even talking about? Since when it is a rule to have a source or your upload get's deleted?

As far as I know, none of the above is an issue of the content I have uploaded, so if you can't show me proof that I have uploaded content that is on the "banned, do not upload" list then you are only assuming something that is false and punishing me for no reason for it.

Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: content listed in the "Avoid Posting List" ?
Where is the proof that what I uploaded is: commercial or pay-to-view content ?

You have it backwards. The burden of proving that content is available for free for everyone from an official source is on you. Content can be deleted if there is strong suspicion that it isn't from a legitimate source until the user can provide proof that it is something that can be posted here. It's just not something that is done every day. Providing source links for content lowers the chance that this can happen because people can validate that the content comes from where you claim it does.

P.S. The content posted is on the extreme borderline to being irrelevant to the site, so even if it hadn't been commercial content it was likely to be deleted as irrelevant.

https://e621.net/posts/2299298

Truly interesting that when I post animations like this one then 70% of them gets deleted or un-approved and auto deleted after 30 days, but if others post these type of non furry animations then they get approved and don't get deleted...

Yep, staff members are totally fair, and it's just all in my head...
They would never do some personal agenda against me for hateing me for some reason, ohh no they would never do that at all.

EDIT: Oh and now it is magically got un-approved again I honesly will never understand the uploading guidelines of this site and I could think that the problem is in me if it weren't for the fact that I am an uploader on many other sites aswell and for some reason those sites have clear uploading guidelines and not just that but they do not punish people by limiting their uploads, this site has a punishment system for limiting uploads based on deleted posts and a clearly chaotic uploading guideline that is impossible to follow so that creates a lot of deleted posts for uploaders therefore limiting their uploads, I started at 10 and already only have 5 slots now.

horny_worgen said:
https://e621.net/posts/2299298

Truly interesting that when I post animations like this one then 70% of them gets deleted or un-approved and auto deleted after 30 days, but if others post these type of non furry animations then they get approved and don't get deleted...

Yep, staff members are totally fair, and it's just all in my head...
They would never do some personal agenda against me for hateing me for some reason, ohh no they would never do that at all.

Wow, so you saying, that posting humanoids on furry site, which is about furries and not humanoids, that humanoids are sometimes being deleted for being irrelevant and not furry?

Instead of taking out the "staff is biased" or "staff hates me specifically" cards, how about we work with factual stuff? Because we don't just nuke all non-furry stuff, but we go by actual guidelines in place: uploading guidelines
Because of this, you can just lump all of the non-furry stuff into single category and count precentage of that, because we do accept some non-furry content, but not other and clearly content you are posting hasn't been according to our guidelines, where others content has.

So the post you linked has nurse_(silent_hill) on human. Our guidelines go by visuals of the post alone, not by characters. Because of this, nurse_(silent_hill) is essentially human, but with mutilated face and our guidelines do not allow humans. Humans mutilate their genitals by cutting away foreskin or can have life lasting scars from house fire, that still doesn't make them less human. Because of this, many of the janitors do not see this as being relevant content to host and do not approve these posts.

Also if you didn't know already, posting paid material is also againts the guidelines and you have been posting a lot of that as well.

horny_worgen said:
EDIT: Oh and now it is magically got un-approved again I honesly will never understand the uploading guidelines of this site and I could think that the problem is in me if it weren't for the fact that I am an uploader on many other sites aswell and for some reason those sites have clear uploading guidelines and not just that but they do not punish people by limiting their uploads, this site has a punishment system for limiting uploads based on deleted posts and a clearly chaotic uploading guideline that is impossible to follow so that creates a lot of deleted posts for uploaders therefore limiting their uploads, I started at 10 and already only have 5 slots now.

It's a human to me, so I do not feel comfortable approving human only post myself, so I voted that it's borderline relevant for us.
Tongue is the only factor humanoid, so that's why I didn't full on delete it myself.

mairo said:
Wow, so you saying, that posting humanoids on furry site, which is about furries and not humanoids, that humanoids are sometimes being deleted for being irrelevant and not furry?

To be fair, one just needs to look at the_legend_of_zelda to see all manner of accepted not_furry basically-human-only posts. They get allowed by technicality of having pointy ears, but they're still far more human-looking than things like the Silent Hill nurse.

horny_worgen said:
this site has a punishment system for limiting uploads based on deleted posts [...], I started at 10 and already only have 5 slots now.

To have post allowance hit zero, a user's deleted post rate has to pass 40% of their active uploads. If you can't find enough unambiguously site-relevant content to maintain an active:deleted ratio above 10:4 then maybe this just isn't a good booru for you to focus on uploading to.
To put it in different terms, you can basically upload as much of this as you want, as long as for every four of your humanoid posts you're uploading at least ten posts that will stick.

But remember this is primarily a furry booru, not a monster booru. It shouldn't be the end of the world if more human-based content isn't considered relevant here. I assume there are other places for it.

watsit said:
To be fair, one just needs to look at the_legend_of_zelda to see all manner of accepted not_furry basically-human-only posts.

I do think there would be a lot less of these complaints if the administration was harder on non-animal humanoid posts, but at this point even if guidelines there change, there's going to be so many grandfathered posts that it's still going to confuse and mislead people.

they're still far more human-looking than things like the Silent Hill nurse.

I don't think I fully agree with that statement.
Looking at nurse_(silent_hill) it seems like there are two main distinct non-cosplay forms.
There's the one where the flesh structure of the face is abnormal
Then there's the one where it's just a human with all the features sanded off.

watsit said:
To be fair, one just needs to look at the_legend_of_zelda to see all manner of accepted not_furry basically-human-only posts. They get allowed by technicality of having pointy ears, but they're still far more human-looking than things like the Silent Hill nurse.

Link is the biggest loophole in the whole system right now, I also like how they are referred to be human in some games and how people including me see them as human.
However the reason why pointy ears still make humanoids acceptable, because we would like to host elves still and elves. Just not sure how to fix that loophole without character/lore species specific bans or more exclusions what counts as human.

Guidelines should still be written in a manner that should make it somewhat clear if you upload something that is it going to be accepted, so if you do upload humans but X, don't be too surprised if they are ruled as irrelevant. We have even deleted posts with Link when their ears are not visible.

magnuseffect said:
I do think there would be a lot less of these complaints if the administration was harder on non-animal humanoid posts, but at this point even if guidelines there change, there's going to be so many grandfathered posts that it's still going to confuse and mislead people.

I still get dmails from time to time accusing of personal attacks, when I delete pure humans which are pure humans by lore, because we happen to host pure humans only and there's not_furry tag, so obviously it's me doing personal attack towards them.
So yeah. I do also definitely understand grandfathering as well, but it's definitely pain to deal with sometimes and definitely if Link was suddenly unacceptable, the outcry and confusion would be multiplied to nth degree.