Bug overview description.
Overall, can edit posts and add tags, but cannot remove them.

What part(s) of the site page(s) are affected?
Post edit mode.

What is the expected behavior?
For erroneous tags to be removed.

What actual behavior is given instead?
Tag is not removed.

Time of incident (if applicable).
Ongoing.

Can you reproduce the bug every time?
Yes.

What steps did you take to replicate this bug?
Attempted to remove erroneous tag several times from a post.

Errors or other messages returned (if any).
None.

https://e621.net/post/index/1/twokinds

Someone uploaded a shitload of crappy looking art and tagged it twokinds, and very little of it even remotely resembles anyone from the strip.

wollypegger said:
https://e621.net/post/index/1/twokinds

Someone uploaded a shitload of crappy looking art and tagged it twokinds, and very little of it even remotely resembles anyone from the strip.

Character names can be tagged with external information and if the character is from twokinds, then the twokinds tag will get implicated by the character tags. You would have to remove character tags to be able to remove twokinds tag, but if the source says that characters are those, you are not allowed to remove the character tags as removing valid tags is againts the rules.
Same with species, many of those seem to be tagged with basitin which apparently is species specific to twokinds lore if I'm reading the wiki correctly.

So not a bug, intented behavior and all looks correct at least to me.

mairo said:
Character names can be tagged with external information and if the character is from twokinds, then the twokinds tag will get implicated by the character tags. You would have to remove character tags to be able to remove twokinds tag, but if the source says that characters are those, you are not allowed to remove the character tags as removing valid tags is againts the rules.
Same with species, many of those seem to be tagged with basitin which apparently is species specific to twokinds lore if I'm reading the wiki correctly.

So not a bug, intented behavior and all looks correct at least to me.

So all someone needs to do with that tag is draw some creepy art, tag it appropriately, and the system will automatically tag it as such, and the moderation does not even verify that it at least looks something like the mentioned character. Gotcha, good system.

wollypegger said:
So all someone needs to do with that tag is draw some creepy art, tag it appropriately, and the system will automatically tag it as such, and the moderation does not even verify that it at least looks something like the mentioned character. Gotcha, good system.

Characters can be drawn as alternate_species, crossgender, alternate_colors, feralized/anthrofied/etc. A character doesn't necessarily have a set look that they must follow. Character tags are some of the few pre-lore tags that didn't follow TWYS.

wollypegger said:
So all someone needs to do with that tag is draw some creepy art, tag it appropriately, and the system will automatically tag it as such, and the moderation does not even verify that it at least looks something like the mentioned character. Gotcha, good system.

...I just kinda love how people constantly complain how "tag what you see" is flawed because it doesn't take into account of what source states of the post and now here we have someone saying that the system is flawed because it is taking into account what source is stating :V

Also I still fail to see what is the problem here? If someone does artwork where they draw characters from Twokinds and that artwork gets posted here and characters tagged appropriately, why is it suddenly bad for the post to have Twokinds tag when it clearly has Twokinds characters in it?
And what the fuck does "creepy" have to do anything with tagging?

I have zero knowledge of the Twokinds universe other than people love to edit genitals into artwork by Tom Fish Back, so I'm having even more trouble seeing the problem here.

mairo said:
...I just kinda love how people constantly complain how "tag what you see" is flawed because it doesn't take into account of what source states of the post and now here we have someone saying that the system is flawed because it is taking into account what source is stating :V

You've got the opposite of what this person is complaining about.
They're arguing that the characters don't look like basitin or keidran but the site allows them to be tagged as such due to source statements.

Keidran is arguable since they're garden-variety anthros but I think the piece in particular the OP is complaining about looks enough like a Basitin to warrant its tag, albeit everyone in that image is further anthrofied than the canonical anatomy, having entirely plantigrade legs and feet instead of the digitigrade-paws-on-plantigrade-legs of the official species designs

magnuseffect said:
You've got the opposite of what this person is complaining about.
They're arguing that the characters don't look like basitin or keidran but the site allows them to be tagged as such due to source statements.

Keidran is arguable since they're garden-variety anthros but I think the piece in particular the OP is complaining about looks enough like a Basitin to warrant its tag, albeit everyone in that image is further anthrofied than the canonical anatomy, having entirely plantigrade legs and feet instead of the digitigrade-paws-on-plantigrade-legs of the official species designs

I really did not word my remark on that post correctly, it should read "This does not look anything like anything from twokinds.".

wollypegger said:
I really did not word my remark on that post correctly, it should read "This does not look anything like anything from twokinds.".

The copyright tag isn't for things that look like that style, it's for characters that belong to that universe. You can argue "this doesn't look like a Keidran," as species is TWYS, but character name is TWYK, so if the artist says it's Keith, it's Keith, and Keith is from Twokinds. You can always blacklist that kind of content in a few different ways:
seneaz will blacklist anything from that artist
seneaz twokinds will only blacklist images from that artist that are tagged as twokinds
twokinds -tom_fischbach will blacklist anything tagged as twokinds that isn't from the original artist
twokinds fan_character gets rid of things including unofficial characters.

ya, most of that appears to be a fan character that is a species from twokinds, so though it's not relevant to the canon it's still properly tagged. Like all those pokemans fan characters

versperus said:
ya, most of that appears to be a fan character that is a species from twokinds

A number of them can be debatable. These two supposedly depict a "keidran", but I have no idea how. It appears to be a fairly normal (chibi-styled) anthro, and doesn't even appear to have anything that's from the twokinds universe, like an accessory similar to those seen in the comic, or an insignia. How is one supposed to identify a species of keidran, anyway? Excluding character style (which is heavily kemono-based), what physical characteristics separates a keidran from an anthro? I don't know how this is supposed to be a basitin either; very light brown practically-yellow fur, with one yellow eye... I wouldn't ever guess that's a basitin instead of a generic anthro. The forked tongue isn't helping, something basitin don't have.

watsit said:
How is one supposed to identify a species of keidran, anyway? Excluding character style (which is heavily kemono-based), what physical characteristics separates a keidran from an anthro?

Nothing. The Keidran species are effectively just standard anthros, and they get a distinct name because in-universe they're considered a distinct species/race. It's more of a lore-blanket than the way e621 classifies species by TWYS.

The keidran tag is not TWYS and should be converted to a lore tag. Same for leonin and hylian among other fictional species.

leomole said:
Same for leonin

In general I can agree with this now that it's been assigned to non-Mirrodinian lion anthros, but would the metallic features of the Mirrodin leonin qualify them as visually distinctive enough, or would tagging guidelines consider those to be an environmental factor and not an inherent aspect of their biology?

From what I can see the metallic leonin like post #1612730 still seem like changes not inherent to the anatomy and therefore not a different species. Like post #2123432 is still considered human even though it's also a cyborg. Plus most of the metallic leonin are one specific character, Kemba Kha Regent.