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Topic: Three years later I will ask again. Why does this site still allow Nazis to have a platform?

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Now that the resurgence of Nazis and nationalist hate mongering is EVEN MORE prevalent than last time I asked, do the Admins and owners believe this site should continue to be sullied by this historically genocidal ideology?

I urge E621 to take a hard look at its impact on the furry community and decide what it wants that impact to be.

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rainw said:
Now that the resurgence of Nazis and nationalist hate mongering is EVEN MORE prevalent than last time I asked, do the Admins and owners believe this site should continue to be sullied by this historically genocidal ideology?

I urge E621 to take a hard look at its impact on the furry community and decide what it wants that impact to be.

What makes you think they allow them? I haven't seen anyone talking about Nazism except for ppl on Nazi themed imagery denouncing it

strikerman said:
I think he's referring to the posts featuring Nazi iconography

This exactly. Allowing Nazis the platform to spread their imagery allows them to bolster their numbers in the furry community.

rainw said:
Now that the resurgence of Nazis and nationalist hate mongering is EVEN MORE prevalent than last time I asked, do the Admins and owners believe this site should continue to be sullied by this historically genocidal ideology?

I urge E621 to take a hard look at its impact on the furry community and decide what it wants that impact to be.

Art is different then talking about it. In fact, comments and forum topics on e6 encouraging it and other such things are explicitly against the rules. Maybe stick to Tumblr. Or the bleached version of this site

I have emailed management about this issue. E621 does not exist in a vacuum and has a tangible effect on the furry community. Nazis do not deserve a platform to share/host their imagery and grow their numbers. The furry community deserves better.

Because nazis are also a fetish. That's why.

To be honest why are you even trying to create problems that don't exist on a site that contains a lot of porn anyhow?

It's 2020, and people are still so scared of those mythical Nazis they want every website on the Internet to enforce censorship to throw them off the public platforms. Not to mention that by making platforms enforce anti hate speech rules, they will be abused to censor any opposing view, no matter if it's extremist or not. Not to mention that there are other harmful ideologies being very widespread on the web that are seen as fine, such as communism and socialism.

Here's a news flash: they will still be Nazis and by banning them from the Internet, you're only enforcing their beliefs, as they feel like they are being attacked. If you really want to fight those oh so awful and evil Nazis, simply debate their beliefs so that they will realize they are in the wrong. You don't get rid of the dust by painting it over, you get rid of it by properly treating it. If you fail to notice that, then you will only do more harm than good by encouraging censorship.

EDIT: And one more thing: just because e621 hosts some furry images with Nazi imagery, it doesn't mean that people will suddenly call for extermination of Jews and Poles and start rallying in the streets. Anyone with half a brain knows that Nazism is a bullshit ideology and won't get indoctrinated by fucking furry images. Stop being so childish in that matter.

randomguy85 said:
It's 2020, and people are still so scared of those mythical Nazis they want every website on the Internet to enforce censorship to throw them off the public platforms. Not to mention that by making platforms enforce anti hate speech rules, they will be abused to censor any opposing view, no matter if it's extremist or not. Not to mention that there are other harmful ideologies being very widespread on the web that are seen as fine, such as communism and socialism.

Here's a news flash: they will still be Nazis and by banning them from the Internet, you're only enforcing their beliefs, as they feel like they are being attacked. If you really want to fight those oh so awful and evil Nazis, simply debate their beliefs so that they will realize they are in the wrong. You don't get rid of the dust by painting it over, you get rid of it by properly treating it. If you fail to notice that, then you will only do more harm than good by encouraging censorship.

There's a lot to unpack there, but I have to ask: "mythical Nazis"?

strikerman said:
There's a lot to unpack there, but I have to ask: "mythical Nazis"?

I say it like that because people keep acting like Nazis are the biggest threat to society and the world, and that they are the ultimate evil that needs to be eradicated from Earth. While from what I've seen, Nazism is meaningless in today's society, but there is another totalitarian ideology that poses a real threat, and it's the one that is destroying America right now. Communism. If people are so afraid of past ideologies ruining today's society, focus on communism. It will only lead to a society that's as miserable as a society under Nazism, or even worse.

randomguy85 said:
I say it like that because people keep acting like Nazis are the biggest threat to society and the world, and that they are the ultimate evil that needs to be eradicated from Earth. While from what I've seen, Nazism is meaningless in today's society, but there is another totalitarian ideology that poses a real threat, and it's the one that is destroying America right now. Communism. If people are so afraid of past ideologies ruining today's society, focus on communism. It will only lead to a society that's as miserable as a society under Nazism, or even worse.

Could you elaborate on that? Without context (I'm not totally familiar with the deeper politics here), it kind of sounds like you're swapping one boogeyman for another.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this. The idea that people will see nazi imagery and feel like that ideology is OK is ludicrous. I agree that hate mongering is rising, but I am going to need to see some solid evidence that confirms nazis are making a comeback. Many of the pictures with the nazi tag having clear artistic merit, i cannot support taking them down.

strikerman said:
Could you elaborate on that? Without context (I'm not totally familiar with the deeper politics here), it kind of sounds like you're swapping one boogeyman for another.

Just look at the current situation in America, and compare the amounts of violent acts committed by communist organizations like Antifa, and acts committed by neo-Nazi organizations like Atomwaffen Division. Also compare their sizes in member count. Antifa poses a serious threat (like in the current riots), while Atomwaffen is just a little meaningless fart at this point.

Also, the original NSDAP managed to be successful because of the sociopolitic situation in Germany at that time. Nowadays, we're not in a situation where that ideology could succeed again. But communism seems to be a very widespread ideology in the US, and that is worrying, as it can bring as much harm as Nazism, or even more. Yet people blindly believe in the utopia from the manifesto, while at the same time failing to realize that everywhere in the world, communism has failed and only brought misery on many people.

If you've ever dove deep into the history of the Soviet Union, you would know that communism brings nothing else but death, poverty, misery, and complete destruction of all traditional values in people. Everyone heard about how the Nazis have exterminated 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, but don't know about how approximately 100 million people died due to communist regimes all over the world.

Communism has killed more people than Nazism, yet it's seen as a good ideology in the eyes of many people in the US. And as I've said, Nazism does not pose any threat to the current society due to how demonized and obsure it is in this day and age. Therefore a bunch of Nazi related drawings on e621, a bunch of Nazi songs on YouTube, or a bunch of closed Nazi communities on Facebook won't cause a massive indoctrinization of the masses, yet we're still scrubbing it off from many platforms.

You know the "First they came..." prose? It doesn't apply just towards Nazi oppression, but also to communist oppresion, and also to modern day Internet censorship. The big platforms will first censor the Nazis, but we will not speak out, because we were not Nazis. Then they will come for right wingers, but we will not speak out, because we were not right wingers. Therefore, we should not allow for mass censorship of "wrong" ideologies, as by doing so, we only encourage those platforms to censor us even further, and at some point, we will also be censored, but then it will be too late.

strikerman said:
There's a lot to unpack there, but I have to ask: "mythical Nazis"?

On this, I'd imagine also the idea that some people nowadays are applying "Nazi" to literally anyone with slight leanings, since labels make targets easier

Ratte

Former Staff

It's fine railing the feral fox cub until red armbands come into play. We have to draw the line somewhere, surely.

hexen said:
What's your view on gore and rape?

ratte said:
It's fine railing the feral fox cub until red armbands come into play. We have to draw the line somewhere, surely.

I am against gore, rape, and pedophilia as well. I am specifically talking about Nazis here because there is a large wave of far right extremism lately.
If I had a say none of this would be hosted on any site.

The furry community deserves better, and should be better. This apathy that I am always met with any time I bring it up is disgusting. Nazis deserve nothing short of being forcibly ejected from every public platform they are on.

How could anybody /know/ what Nazis were responsible for in the past and still look at Nazis and say "maybe we should just debate them."
You dont debate someone when their talking point is "these people are inferior and should be eradicated", because thats how they spread their beliefs.

Ratte

Former Staff

Why not ban the entirety of content widely considered questionable in that case?

randomguy85 said:

If you've ever dove deep into the history of the Soviet Union, you would know that communism brings nothing else but death, poverty, misery, and complete destruction of all traditional values in people. Everyone heard about how the Nazis have exterminated 6 million Jews in the Holocaust, but don't know about how approximately 100 million people died due to communist regimes all over the world.

>Ever dove deep into history of soviet union
<Writes most cliche, braindead, surface level argumentation that has been repeated to everyone so many times nobody cant count anymore. The same arguments being weak and failing to describe soviet (and russian) position through out 19-20th century.

>but don't know about how approximately 100 million people
Welcome to universe #189264-C. It is clear that you came from a neighboring universe with similar history and rules. However in this one the hundred million kill count has been repeated into everyones face as often as seemingly possible. Please be understanding of the differences and enjoy the stay.
P.S. The count comes from "black book of communism" which is a shitshow of pseudo-history, guesswork and pure ideology.

As for the nazi question.
We should ban liberals instead for all the crimes liberalism caused.
What exactly will change if furries cancel naziism? Well 1. Big fookin nothin. and 2. Make liberals more happy and feel good about themselves for a moment and let them calm down while global liberalism allows capitalism to choke us all to death for another coin. 3. /s Nazis will be like "guess its time to become libs". /s
There is approximately 0 real benefits to going all in on banning every bit of naziism you'll find.

On the other hand.
It would be hilarious.

I really do not think you're being honest when you say that you want it gone because of any connections it has to real-world violence. If that were the case, I wouldn't expect you to single out nazi imagery on a site that has images worshiping the Columbine shooters and worse. They're being "given" just as much of a platform by the same logic. Wouldn't this also show complicity to the perpetuation of violence? But that stuff doesn't really tug at the heartstrings in the same way so no one ever brings it up.

I've said it before but if I had literally any reason to believe this crap was a seriously dangerous influence I'd be with you, but as it stands, it's a huge stretch to draw any connection to real-world violence. How much of this white supremacist violence do you honestly believe is being committed by horny gay furries who are drawn to some weird fantasy of nazi imagery during their whackoff sessions?

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The furry community is a very popular place for young people that feel ostracized by the people in their life. The far right actively preys on vulnerable youth to turn that confusion and aggravation into full blown supremacist hate.

We owe it to them and the rest of the community to do everything we can to stop the spread of such hateful ideology, or at least make it harder for them to do so.

If you paid even slight attention to the likes of 4Chan and Reddit you'd realize that they've been doing this for a long time and they even have a literal playbook on how to recruit people into their ideology that would otherwise end up a decent person.
Reddit made the right move by removing Nazis and the far right, and I believe we owe it to our communities to follow suit.

rainw said:
The furry community is a very popular place for young people that feel ostracized by the people in their life. The far right actively preys on vulnerable youth to turn that confusion and aggravation into full blown supremacist hate.

We owe it to them and the rest of the community to do everything we can to stop the spread of such hateful ideology, or at least make it harder for them to do so.

If you paid even slight attention to the likes of 4Chan and Reddit you'd realize that they've been doing this for a long time and they even have a literal playbook on how to recruit people into their ideology that would otherwise end up a decent person.
Reddit made the right move by removing Nazis and the far right, and I believe we owe it to our communities to follow suit.

You don't want to spread an ideology, yet you want to purge all reference of it from existence... What's the line again? "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"?

Don't like it, blacklist it from your feed. Discourage people and tell the truth of their atrocities. Debate them, and bring their garbage ideology into the sunlight to be disinfected.

Suppressing hateful ideology, content, and symbols only drives it into the darkness for it to fester.

Yoooou know that drawing Nazi-related pictures doesn't automagically make an artist a Nazi, themself...you know that, right?

libertarianhorsefukr said:
You don't want to spread an ideology, yet you want to purge all reference of it from existence... What's the line again? "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"?

Don't like it, blacklist it from your feed. Discourage people and tell the truth of their atrocities. Debate them, and bring their garbage ideology into the sunlight to be disinfected.

Suppressing hateful ideology, content, and symbols only drives it into the darkness for it to fester.

You dont debate a Nazi, thats what they want you to do. They arent there to have a reasonable argument, they are there to say "these people are inferior and should be treated thusly" and they will continue to say it over and over. Even if they dont manage to convince you guess what just happened? They convinced someone that saw the debate. That is the only reason Nazis want to debate at all.

Listen to the people that helped get rid of Nazis last time, the only way to deal with a Nazi is to silence a Nazi. Make Nazis afraid to spout their hate. Dont let them normalize their imagery behind the guise of "a fetish" or "a joke".

Ratte

Former Staff

Videogames don't cause violence but pictures of dogs in black hats and suits cause nazis.

jacob said:
Yoooou know that drawing Nazi-related pictures doesn't automagically make an artist a Nazi, themself...you know that, right?

No but it makes Nazis really comfortable with that artist. It gives Nazis more material to entice others into their ranks.

Do you know why Nazi uniforms are so damn stylish? So they can hook people with aesthetics, so they can look good while being evil.
Nazis thrive on favorable artistic depiction.

Richard Spencer dresses very well and tries to keep his appearance very "proper" so people dont see him as a threat and so people think "maybe I should hear him out"

rainw said:
The furry community is a very popular place for young people that feel ostracized by the people in their life. The far right actively preys on vulnerable youth to turn that confusion and aggravation into full blown supremacist hate.

We owe it to them and the rest of the community to do everything we can to stop the spread of such hateful ideology, or at least make it harder for them to do so.

If you paid even slight attention to the likes of 4Chan and Reddit you'd realize that they've been doing this for a long time and they even have a literal playbook on how to recruit people into their ideology that would otherwise end up a decent person.
Reddit made the right move by removing Nazis and the far right, and I believe we owe it to our communities to follow suit.

>unironic "think of the children!"

I'm not sure how to tell you this, but as someone that actually spent a fair bit of time with the infamous hacker known as "four chan", dominatrix/fetish porn isn't how they "recruit people to their ideology". The "young people" who shouldn't be encouraged to mingle in a community of adult, sexual deviants to begin with, aren't so brainless that they're going to follow your assumed thought chain of "woah, this pony with a swastika on her thigh stomping on that dudes dick's kinda hot... maybe there's something about the jews after all...". Believe it or not, simply seeing nazi imagery doesn't magically make one believe everything it stands for, nor "warm up" to the ideals.

Unironically Nazis target young people to convert them to their way of thinking. This is a known fact.

rainw said:
Unironically Nazis target young people to convert them to their way of thinking. This is a known fact.

Said young people are social outcasts because they questioned the ideologies around them, and since "we don't debate, we silence" they were harassed and shunned for it to the point where the only open arms they had left/people who made sense of their feelings was /pol/ and "the far right". So helping to create your problems aside, what part of that involves dominatrix fetish porn with furries and ponies?

You are making tons of statements and not backing up any of them. You have yet to prove nazis and alt-righters are out in force, you are just stating that they are and expecting us to believe you.

rainw said:
You dont debate a Nazi, thats what they want you to do. They arent there to have a reasonable argument, they are there to say "these people are inferior and should be treated thusly" and they will continue to say it over and over. Even if they dont manage to convince you guess what just happened? They convinced someone that saw the debate. That is the only reason Nazis want to debate at all.

Listen to the people that helped get rid of Nazis last time, the only way to deal with a Nazi is to silence a Nazi. Make Nazis afraid to spout their hate. Dont let them normalize their imagery behind the guise of "a fetish" or "a joke".

You. You really don't see how insane you sound do you?

I mean really?

they are there to say "these people are inferior and should be treated thusly" and they will continue to say it over and over. Even if they dont manage to convince you guess what just happened? They convinced someone that saw the debate.

You really don't see it?

If someone is won over by the argument of a Nazi or "Nazi" then you really bungled your job or your ideas were seen as more insane then the ones you were debating.

Honestly you do not silence someone to get rid of them, that only leads credence to what they say, and drives it deeper out of sight so as to fester. There is a reason for the phrase "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

Unironically Nazis target young people to convert them to their way of thinking. This is a known fact.

Yes and you know what group of young people make the best recruit targets? Every single white kid that is kicked in the ribs and called a racist for no other reason then they are white.

and also as ThatBIackGuy put it.

thatbiackguy said:
Said young people are social outcasts because they questioned the ideologies around them, and since "we don't debate, we silence" they were harassed and shunned for it to the point where the only open arms they had left/people who made sense of their feelings was /pol/ and "the far right".

rainw said:
No but it makes Nazis really comfortable with that artist. It gives Nazis more material to entice others into their ranks.

Do you know why Nazi uniforms are so damn stylish? So they can hook people with aesthetics, so they can look good while being evil.
Nazis thrive on favorable artistic depiction.

Richard Spencer dresses very well and tries to keep his appearance very "proper" so people dont see him as a threat and so people think "maybe I should hear him out"

People aren't going to change their opinion of whether or not bigotry's okay, just because the person spewing bigotry happens to be dressed nice. Sure, dressing sharp will make people more likely to actually take the time to listen to what you have to say, but if they don't like what they hear, how you're dressed isn't going to change that. Conversely, somebody who COULD be convinced to follow Nazi ideology, will be convinced as soon as they hear somebody presenting it in a format that sounds good to them, even if it's presented by somebody dressed like a homeless person. Likewise, seeing Nazi art that just happens to look good, isn't going to make anyone more likely to think Nazi ideology is okay. Not even children are that easily swayed. Not by the time they're mentally developed enough to actually understand Nazi ideology, at least. And before then, the kid's parents aren't going to let FRIGGIN' NAZIS talk to their kid freely enough to have any hope of brainwashing them.

@United Gamers
There is a bit of truth to RainW's train of thought and a misunderstanding on your part. Naziism is not about the debate and it hardly matters what you do in a debate with a nazi. Naziism relies on simple phrases and hatred to spread, in that way it operates like a virus.
In same way that there is nothing to fear from "Megaviruses defrezed in siberia" (As best viruses are small, small viruses replicate their tiny genomes fastest and spread fastest). In same way naziism can spread even if you win your debates. "Jews did it" spreads a lot faster than reading literal ton of literature for other political movements like social democracy or marxism. Everybody knows it and expresses it with "Left can't meme".
You can win debate against a nazi and still have it go in nazis favor.

Can't quite tell you what to do with ^^ this bit of info though.

Instead... Guys, I have a 100/100 idea. Totally wont backfire and everyone will love it.
If nazi art is just about the uniform style, lets tell all artists to...
Use german democratic republic uniform instead of nazi uniform. Its kind of close... better even?

These arguments all sound like typical overblown exaggerations I tend to hear from progressive individuals. The Nazis aren't going to make a comeback, because e621 exists. Hell, we witnessed the rise of the ISIS militant group, but certainly it is the far right extremists we should be worrying about instead. Extremists that I have only heard make the news when they decide to have a rally event, which ends up being controversial in itself somehow. It is just a group of people exercising their right to Freedom of Speech.

Nazis are allowed to be furries, and like furry material. Content that is Nazi related by itself is not evidence that the site is being used to recruit people. That is conjecture. If someone chooses to go join a hate group, then they will join it. Nazi groups can easily host their own content that can be found using basic search engines. They wouldn't need to piggyback off a furry website, and it confuses me why they would be interested in recruiting furries to become Nazis in the first place.

thirtyeight said:
You are making tons of statements and not backing up any of them. You have yet to prove nazis and alt-righters are out in force, you are just stating that they are and expecting us to believe you.

Pay attention to the world around you. There is a violent white nationalist in the US white house spouting Nazi talking points and producing Nazi symbolism. There are extrajudicial slayings by police against minorities near daily. There have been 4 lynchings in NYC in the past month. Recent memory calls on the Charlottesville Nazi rally, the Proud Boys, and the US President trying to label people that are against fascism as "terrorists".

united_gamers said:
You. You really don't see how insane you sound do you?

I mean really?

You really don't see it?

If someone is won over by the argument of a Nazi or "Nazi" then you really bungled your job or your ideas were seen as more insane then the ones you were debating.

Honestly you do not silence someone to get rid of them, that only leads credence to what they say, and drives it deeper out of sight so as to fester. There is a reason for the phrase "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

Yes and you know what group of young people make the best recruit targets? Every single white kid that is kicked in the ribs and called a racist for no other reason then they are white.

and also as ThatBIackGuy put it.

Im not calling all white people racist. Im saying Nazis are evil and insidious.

opekun_petrov said:
Sir, this is a furry porn site. This is not reddit.

A porn site that does not exist in a vacuum, and has a tangible effect on the furry community, how large that effect is is up for debate but the effect is there none the less

rainw said:
Pay attention to the world around you. There is a violent white nationalist in the US white house spouting Nazi talking points and producing Nazi symbolism. There are extrajudicial slayings by police against minorities near daily. There have been 4 lynchings in NYC in the past month. Recent memory calls on the Charlottesville Nazi rally, the Proud Boys, and the US President trying to label people that are against fascism as "terrorists".

There is literally none of that. Trump is as much a nazi as I am a communist. He's dumb, but literally all the hateful things he's supposedly said were fabricated by a media that's trying to paint him as the love child of Satan and Hitler. The police are on a power-high because they feel they can't be prosecuted (persecuted?) due to their ridiculously over powerful union. Antifa are literally terrorists. They commit violent acts to advance a political agenda, that's literally the definition of terrorism.

rainw said:
A porn site that does not exist in a vacuum, and has a tangible effect on the furry community, how large that effect is is up for debate but the effect is there none the less

Again I ask, where is your evidence for this? Stop making statements you can't back up. People have been saying "X makes people more likely to Y" for time immemorial and yet no study has ever confirmed such.

I hope the administration of this site seriously consider this inquiry and take proper action.

I do have a question for the nay-sayers as well. Why are you comfortable just letting Nazis be? Why are you okay with this site being linked to genocidal fascists in any way?

rainw said:
I hope the administration of this site seriously consider this inquiry and take proper action.

I do have a question for the nay-sayers as well. Why are you comfortable just letting Nazis be? Why are you okay with this site being linked to genocidal fascists in any way?

Because all art is sacred, not just the things you personally are ok with.

thirtyeight said:
There is literally none of that. Trump is as much a nazi as I am a communist. He's dumb, but literally all the hateful things he's supposedly said were fabricated by a media that's trying to paint him as the love child of Satan and Hitler. The police are on a power-high because they feel they can't be prosecuted (persecuted?) due to their ridiculously over powerful union. Antifa are literally terrorists. They commit violent acts to advance a political agenda, that's literally the definition of terrorism.

Again I ask, where is your evidence for this? Stop making statements you can't back up. People have been saying "X makes people more likely to Y" for time immemorial and yet no study has ever confirmed such.

Antifa has not killed anybody, save one person in self defense. Protesting /FASCISM/ is not terrorism.

I will answer your question about evidence thusly: I was introduced to the furry community through E621. The friends I know in the community were made here on this site. I am not unique, far from it. E621 is a part of the furry community, it is not sitting in some null void where it has no effect on the world around it or the people that visit it.
It has helped to normalized rape and gore and pedophilia in some circles of the furry community, just like Inkbunny. Why is it so hard to believe that it has had a part in normalizing Nazi imagery among certain circles, however small that part might be?

rainw said:
I do have a question for the nay-sayers as well. Why are you comfortable just letting Nazis be? Why are you okay with this site being linked to genocidal fascists in any way?

Again, nobody's saying "leave the Nazis alone." We're saying "don't persecute artists and assume them to be horrible people, just because they happened to draw art with Nazi imagery in it."

thirtyeight said:
Because all art is sacred, not just the things you personally are ok with.

No, not all art is sacred. Art that normalizes abuse and hatred is not sacred, it is a blight.
Should we allow imagery positively depicting lynching?

Nazi imagery is a call to violence. Allowing it is telling Nazis "its okay, you just do you"

jacob said:
Again, nobody's saying "leave the Nazis alone." We're saying "don't persecute artists and assume them to be horrible people, just because they happened to draw art with Nazi imagery in it."

Im not even saying ban artists that have drawn it, Im saying keep Nazi imagery off of this site.

jacob said:
Again, nobody's saying "leave the Nazis alone." We're saying "don't persecute artists and assume them to be horrible people, just because they happened to draw art with Nazi imagery in it."

Also the people saying theres no need to remove Nazi imagery are saying leave them be. When it comes to Nazis, inaction only favors the Nazis

rainw said:
Antifa has not killed anybody, save one person in self defense. Protesting /FASCISM/ is not terrorism.

I will answer your question about evidence thusly: I was introduced to the furry community through E621. The friends I know in the community were made here on this site. I am not unique, far from it. E621 is a part of the furry community, it is not sitting in some null void where it has no effect on the world around it or the people that visit it.
It has helped to normalized rape and gore and pedophilia in some circles of the furry community, just like Inkbunny. Why is it so hard to believe that it has had a part in normalizing Nazi imagery among certain circles, however small that part might be?

Antifa hasn't killed anyone, but they are certainly spoiling for a fight. Antifa aren't protesting fascism, they are the fascists. They are the ones trying to use force to get their way. Using violence to achieve political goals is ALWAYS terrorism.

And sorry, but just because you assert something doesn't make it true. No, E621 and Inkbunny have not normalized anything. They only allow people to indulge fantasies they'd never act on in reality. They provide an outlet, not an excuse.

I apologize for getting heated over this, but moral guardians and censors tick me off something fierce.

rainw said:
Also the people saying theres no need to remove Nazi imagery are saying leave them be. When it comes to Nazis, inaction only favors the Nazis

The nazis you've still yet to prove to exist.

@thirtyeight
>Fascism is when grug hit with big club.

@Millcore
Chad move deleting randomguy85. <3

@RainW
Dragons are the master race.

birdofgrain said:
@thirtyeight
>Fascism is when grug hit with big club.

@Millcore
Chad move deleting randomguy85. <3

@RainW
Dragons are the master race.

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment.

rainw said:
I hope the administration of this site seriously consider this inquiry and take proper action.

I do have a question for the nay-sayers as well. Why are you comfortable just letting Nazis be? Why are you okay with this site being linked to genocidal fascists in any way?

I disagree in censorship for the sake of censorship, and I don't like the trend of media sharing websites policing content based on socio-political views. Large corporations should not have such broad control over who does and does not get a voice. Nazis should have just as much of a right to state their views on the Internet as you or I have.

Also, I think it is nonsense that extremist / hate group are using e621 to recruit people. I need a stronger premise before I jump on the censor bandwagon. Users are given the option to censor any topic they find disagreeable. If people are curious about Nazi content, then let them be curious and find the material they want. It bothers me so much that it is now commonplace for websites to cherry pick the information that viewers have access to. It is like they are stating, "We don't agree with the points of view of those people, so we wont let you view it, but here are the points of view we (the corporation) agrees with instead".

Why not provide an unbiased forum to share information on and let people make up their minds for themselves?

thevileone said:
I disagree in censorship for the sake of censorship, and I don't like the trend of media sharing websites policing content based on socio-political views. Large corporations should not have such broad control over who does and does not get a voice. Nazis should have just as much of a right to state their views on the Internet as you or I have.

Also, I think it is nonsense that extremist / hate group are using e621 to recruit people. I need a stronger premise before I jump on the censor bandwagon. Users are given the option to censor any topic they find disagreeable. If people are curious about Nazi content, then let them be curious and find the material they want. It bothers me so much that it is now commonplace for websites to cherry pick the information that viewers have access to. It is like they are stating, "We don't agree with the points of view of those people, so we wont let you view it, but here are the points of view we (the corporation) agrees with instead".

Why not provide an unbiased forum to share information on and let people make up their minds for themselves?

Nobody should have the right to call for the eradication/subjugation of a people because of their birth conditions, under any circumstances.

thirtyeight said:
I'm afraid I don't understand your comment.

Calling Antifa fascist because of violence is ridiculous. Then red army pushing back fascists out of Russia were the fascists. Then caveman grug is fascist when he hit another caveman with big club.
Violence and fascism are different things.
There are a lot of implications and things I'd have to explain to your statement but whatever.

You're insane if you think Nazi imagery on e6 is somehow affecting anyone, nevermind kids.

This hasn't been productive, go use your blacklist.

If someone starts sprewing out nazi propaganda or doctrine then be a good samaritan and report them.

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