The bulk update request #2545 has been rejected.

remove alias orcadragon (0) -> hybrid (163462)
remove alias orca_dragon (0) -> hybrid (163462)

Reason: Orcadragon is a distinct fan-made species that deserves a tag of its own.

There are lots of orcadragons on e621, most notably there is one character with 329 posts: penelope_(rainbowscreen), and a few others I've found jojo_(rainbowscreen), marinette, aurelita_(attifyon), and avi_(helios).

Searching for hybrid orca dragon leads to lots of results that are not orcadragons, so it's not suitable for searching for this species.

After this BUR is done, we'd want to do another BUR of "create alias orca_dragon -> orcadragon", but it won't let me do it in this BUR because antecedent name has already been.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2545 (forum #335790) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.

These sound incredible vague.

https://www.deviantart.com/junkyardrabbit/journal/Orcadragon-Species-Information-516768513
They are a large and powerful race and come in many different forms, types, sizes and hybrids. Typical Orcadragons have dragon-ish features like horns, teeth, claws, wings and feet, but can also have orca features such as flippers for arms, legs or both, orca tails and orca patterns. ... Their patterns can be anything imaginable and in any colour.
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Orcadragons come in many different forms, but the main two are anthro and feral. ... There really are so many possibilities of form types.
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Wings can be any style and any size. Some Orcadragons dont have wings
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Orcadragons can have any style of hair in any colour/s imaginable!
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Fins can come in any zize and shape. ... Orcadragons can sometimes have spikes like a dragon on their faces, arms and down their spines. They can be any size and shape, and can be spaces far or close together.

Also "closed species, my unique idea, donut steel". I don't think we need another mimiff on our hands, where any orca-dragon hybrid can be claimed to be under this incredibly vague definition.

Even if it is to be accepted, though, I wouldn't use the tags orcadragon/orca_dragon as that can easily be confused for generic orca-dragon hybrids.

watsit said:
Even if it is to be accepted, though, I wouldn't use the tags orcadragon/orca_dragon as that can easily be confused for generic orca-dragon hybrids.

Honestly? It might be for the better that word-compound hybrid species are generic. If you can't make the minimum effort to name your species something that isn't a compound of known english words, anyone can use the compound.

That being said, unaliasing it and rather implying hybrid seems fair to officiate the tag, but then that's a whole new precedent to set with other hybrid tags as well.

aversioncapacitor' said:
Honestly? It might be for the better that word-compound hybrid species are generic. If you can't make the minimum effort to name your species something that isn't a compound of known english words, anyone can use the compound.

That being said, unaliasing it and rather implying hybrid seems fair to officiate the tag, but then that's a whole new precedent to set with other hybrid tags as well.

It's aliased away to discourage people from naming their "unique species" literally a hybrid name.
Oh, and it's not a unique species:

Typical Orcadragons have dragon-ish features like horns, teeth, claws, wings and feet, but can also have orca features such as flippers for arms, legs or both, orca tails and orca patterns. ... Their patterns can be anything imaginable and in any colour.
...
Orcadragons come in many different forms, but the main two are anthro and feral. ... There really are so many possibilities of form types.
...
Wings can be any style and any size. Some Orcadragons dont have wings
...
Orcadragons can have any style of hair in any colour/s imaginable!
...
Fins can come in any zize and shape. ... Orcadragons can sometimes have spikes like a dragon on their faces, arms and down their spines. They can be any size and shape, and can be spaces far or close together.

It's quite simply a hybrid of any variation. The hybrid name fits, and quite frankly should remain aliased away on e621 because it is a hybrid. If a species is invented with rules to its shape (ie: Black and white dragons with a "mask" pattern over their eyes, gills upon their neck, and a flipper-tail, but otherwise entirely draconic; you're setting boundaries to ensure it remains its own species and not an umbrella term) then it could be argued to deserve its own tag, but never an umbrella-hybrid "species" and never hybrid names.

aversioncapacitor' said:
Honestly? It might be for the better that word-compound hybrid species are generic. If you can't make the minimum effort to name your species something that isn't a compound of known english words, anyone can use the compound.

That being said, unaliasing it and rather implying hybrid seems fair to officiate the tag, but then that's a whole new precedent to set with other hybrid tags as well.

The only problem I have with this, is people have been really fucking awful about actually checking before aliasing "word-compound" names, and have swept up things that should have been aliased to a genus tag or left alone such as many very real fish names (catshark is the one that comes to mind immediately as boiling my piss).

Even if one artist (and those drawing their characters or otherwise paying tribute to them) happens to draw this particular species combo in a certain way, that doesn't change the fact that it's a hybrid combo with no mythological or media relevance (and also a name that doesn't lend itself well to tagging.)

votp said:
The only problem I have with this, is people have been really fucking awful about actually checking before aliasing "word-compound" names, and have swept up things that should have been aliased to a genus tag or left alone such as many very real fish names (catshark is the one that comes to mind immediately as boiling my piss).

Yeah. I'd say don't give irl species a hybrid implication, but then you have people like me that rely on implications to fill out the tag sheet.

Still worth it. Hasn't stopped anyone from adding missing tags for other semi-implied tags.

votp said:
The only problem I have with this, is people have been really fucking awful about actually checking before aliasing "word-compound" names, and have swept up things that should have been aliased to a genus tag or left alone such as many very real fish names (catshark is the one that comes to mind immediately as boiling my piss).

That's why it's always a good idea to put up alias/implication requests publicly, and letting it sit for at least a day or two, so people can bring up "hey, that's actually a real species" or justify it "but people keep using it to mean hybrids, not that species", so we at least have a record of why it's handled like it is.

The bulk update request #2545 (forum #335790) has been rejected by @gattonero2001.