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create implication wet_dream (1133) -> sleeping (39634)
create implication wet_dream (1133) -> genital_fluids (1081526)
Reason: Wet dreams involves sleeping, and always ends with the sleeper emitting some kind of genital fluid from it.
EDIT: The bulk update request #10067 (forum #435197) has been rejected by @furrypickle.
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atotom912 said:
Reason: Wet dreams involves sleeping, and always ends with the sleeper emitting some kind of genital fluid from it.
Characters don't have to be actively sleeping for it to be clear that a wet_dream had occurred, and having a wet dream does not necessarily result in emitting genital_fluids.
The bulk update request #10067 (forum #435197) has been rejected by @furrypickle.
thegreatwolfgang said:
No and no.Characters don't have to be actively sleeping for it to be clear that a wet_dream had occurred, and having a wet dream does not necessarily result in emitting genital_fluids.
A wet dream is when genital_fluids are emitted during sleep, not simply having a dream about sexual activities. As the wiki says, "When a character has an involuntary orgasm in their sleep". I wouldn't say wet_dream applies to your second example as there's no evidence of an orgasm, the character is just dreaming about getting eaten out. It also seems weird to have wet_dream include the aftermath after they wake up and are no longer dreaming. That's like having sex include after_sex.
If you can have a wet dream without an orgasm and it applied to characters that recently woke up, wouldn't that make morning_wood imply wet_dream?
watsit said:
A wet dream is when genital_fluids are emitted during sleep, not simply having a dream about sexual activities. As the wiki says, "When a character has an involuntary orgasm in their sleep". I wouldn't say wet_dream applies to your second example as there's no evidence of an orgasm, the character is just dreaming about getting eaten out. It also seems weird to have wet_dream include the aftermath after they wake up and are no longer dreaming. That's like having sex include after_sex.
I'd argue wet_dream can be any part of the process including:
Unless you'd prefer we split everything up and treat wet dream scenarios like we do to sex, i.e., erotic_dream -> wet_dream -> cum_on_bed.
If you can have a wet dream without an orgasm and it applied to characters that recently woke up, wouldn't that make morning_wood imply wet_dream?
If they had simple woken up to a morning_wood, then no, since there is no indication that a wet_dream had occurred prior.
However, I would say morning_wood wet_dream could still happen and that would fall under #5 I mentioned earlier.
If they had woken up solo to cum_everywhere and still have an erection/morning_wood, then it can be considered a wet_dream (e.g., post #3682044).
thegreatwolfgang said:
- 1) Getting an erotic dream,
- 2) Achieving an orgasm during said dream.
- Can include dry_orgasm w/o genital_fluids.
It seems weird to me to consider an erotic dream alone a "wet dream". Isn't the "wet" part supposed to indicate liquid (cum) being involved? Stuff happening in your dream causing you to cum IRL. If it's just an erotic dream, then why have separate terms/tags? If it's either an erotic dream or hands-free cumming while asleep, that seems to be two separate concepts.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Unless you'd prefer we split everything up and treat wet dream scenarios like we do to sex, i.e., erotic_dream -> wet_dream -> cum_on_bed.
Things can play out in that way, but they don't have to. While an erotic_dream can lead to a wet_dream, you can have an erotic dream without it leading to a wet dream, and a wet dream doesn't have to be caused by an erotic dream, just a dream that leads to an orgasm in the physical world. Similarly for wet_dream and cum_on_bed, it's orthogonal, you can have one without the other both ways.
watsit said:
It seems weird to me to consider an erotic dream alone a "wet dream". Isn't the "wet" part supposed to indicate liquid (cum) being involved? Stuff happening in your dream causing you to cum IRL. If it's just an erotic dream, then why have separate terms/tags? If it's either an erotic dream or hands-free cumming while asleep, that seems to be two separate concepts.
Things can play out in that way, but they don't have to. While an erotic_dream can lead to a wet_dream, you can have an erotic dream without it leading to a wet dream, and a wet dream doesn't have to be caused by an erotic dream, just a dream that leads to an orgasm in the physical world. Similarly for wet_dream and cum_on_bed, it's orthogonal, you can have one without the other both ways.
I would agree with both of these.
Should erotic_dream, at the very least, imply sleeping, or are there posts where that's not the case? ...Actually, I just noticed erotic_dream doesn't even imply dream.
watsit said:
It seems weird to me to consider an erotic dream alone a "wet dream". Isn't the "wet" part supposed to indicate liquid (cum) being involved? Stuff happening in your dream causing you to cum IRL...Things can play out in that way, but they don't have to. While an erotic_dream can lead to a wet_dream, you can have an erotic dream without it leading to a wet dream, and a wet dream doesn't have to be caused by an erotic dream, just a dream that leads to an orgasm in the physical world. Similarly for wet_dream and cum_on_bed, it's orthogonal, you can have one without the other both ways.
beholding said:
I would agree with both of these.
Ideally, the "erotic dream" is part of the "wet dream", whereby the actual wet part arrives later.
It doesn't help that "wet dream" are also known as a sex dream as well, which is almost synonymous with "erotic dream".
By definition from the few dictionaries I found, an "erotic dream" is always an essential part which causes the subsequent ejaculation or orgasm.
I, myself, don't see the need for separating the two parts since they would overlap in the majority of cases.
watsit said:
If it's just an erotic dream, then why have separate terms/tags? If it's either an erotic dream or hands-free cumming while asleep, that seems to be two separate concepts.
beholding said:
Should erotic_dream, at the very least, imply sleeping, or are there posts where that's not the case? ...Actually, I just noticed erotic_dream doesn't even imply dream.
At the current moment, erotic_dream is not an established tag with a definition.
You could make it a proper tag, but the issue with it being almost synonymous with "wet dream" will still persist.
As for it implying sleeping, I can imagine a scene whereby you don't visibly see the person in question sleeping, but do see a full thought_bubble of the scene.
I thought that "wet dream" was just a colloquialism for nocturnal emission, which isn't necessarily related to "dreaming" at all.
what are we using this tag for? because to me it sounds like it's being applied to several relatively disparate situations.
thegreatwolfgang said:
By definition from the few dictionaries I found, an "erotic dream" is always an essential part which causes the subsequent ejaculation or orgasm.
Perhaps depending on how you define an erotic dream. The way I think of it, and going by the 3 posts tagged with it, it's when the dream contains erotic elements (nudity, sex, etc). However, given a scenario like someone having a dream where they get kicked in the crotch, and they wake up at the moment of impact to find they came, I wouldn't consider that an erotic dream; the person, knowingly or unknowingly, has a CBT fetish with a side of masochism, so got off on the idea of their junk being pounded, which isn't otherwise considered erotic. If you consider an erotic dream to be any dream with elements that someone's into sexually, sure that definition could work, but that doesn't seem to be TWYS territory.
thegreatwolfgang said:
I, myself, don't see the need for separating the two parts since they would overlap in the majority of cases.
As it is, it seems the majority of posts tagged wet_dream don't show the dream itself, an erotic one or not, but simply a character cumming or having cum while asleep. Comparing posts like post #4363842 and post #5177594, the tag does seem to be handling two separate concepts. That there's overlap doesn't mean they're directly linked; erection and male_penetrating overlap, but they're not inherently linked.
dba_afish said:
I thought that "wet dream" was just a colloquialism for nocturnal emission, which isn't necessarily related to "dreaming" at all.what are we using this tag for? because to me it sounds like it's being applied to several relatively disparate situations.
3 years ago in topic #33543, the consensus among 3 users was that wet_dream requires an orgasm. It wasn't discussed whether wet_dream should be tagged strictly for during the orgasm vs. still asleep after the orgasm vs. after waking up, but I think continuing to include all three should be fine. More tags can be used when more specificity is needed:
during orgasm = wet_dream ~orgasm ~cumshot (cumshot = orgasm here. I'm including both here for redundancy, in case of bad tagging)
after orgasm = wet_dream sleeping -orgasm -cumshot (cumshot is redundant again)
after waking up = wet_dream -sleeping
The erotic_dream tag didn't exist at the time, and I nearly created it, but then I quickly realized you can just search dream -rating:s, making the tagging project not seem worthwhile to me. It's certainly a valid tag though, don't get me wrong.
