My understanding has always been that everything's one of human/humanoid/anthro/feral/taur, but the current merfolk and humanoid_merfolk pages claim they're not humanoid, so what are they? Meanwhile, the humanoid page uses a mermaid for its first example image.

danielmonstrel said:
My understanding has always been that everything's one of human/humanoid/anthro/feral/taur, but the current merfolk and humanoid_merfolk pages claim they're not humanoid, so what are they?

split_form. Those 5 you mentioned aren't all of them, there are some more esoteric form tags. Also humanoid_merfolk doesn't imply humanoid for the same reason humanoid taur doesn't (lower body isn't remotely similar to humans).

Meanwhile, the humanoid page uses a mermaid for its first example image.

Are you sure?

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create implication humanoid_merfolk (178) -> merfolk (6547)

Reason: Missing implication

wait, what? since when are we not tagging merfolk as humanoid? we tag it on lamia, we tag it on satyr, we tag it on faun and minotaur, and any other non-taur split_form, why not merfolk?

Possibly because if they were on land, it would be hard for them to stay upright.
Apart from that I see no reason for merfolk to not be humanoid except that many of them have a scaled-upper body. So in order for any merfolk to be humanoid, we'd need to separate them into scaled and non-scaled merfolk, at least as far as the upper body is concerned.

dba_afish said:
wait, what? since when are we not tagging merfolk as humanoid? we tag it on lamia, we tag it on satyr, we tag it on faun and minotaur, and any other non-taur split_form, why not merfolk?

Pretty sure merfolk can mean anthro or human weighed appearances

As dinbyy said, anthros can be merfolk too

dinbyy said:
Pretty sure merfolk can mean anthro or human weighed appearances

As opposed to something like separate tags for human or anthro bodies with a snake lower half draconcopode/lamia

Edit: not draconcopode nvm, it seems the right tag is naga

dinbyy said:
Pretty sure merfolk can mean anthro or human weighed appearances

manitka said:
As dinbyy said, anthros can be merfolk too

I don't think anyone's trying to argue that merfolk should imply humanoid, we're saying that humanoid merfolk (like the standard mermaid) should be tagged as humanoids, just like satyrs and lamias are.

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snpthecat said:

Meanwhile, the humanoid page uses a mermaid for its first example image.

Are you sure?

Someone edited it out right after this thread was made: https://e621.net/wiki_page_versions?search%5Bwiki_page_id%5D=5284

manitka said:
As dinbyy said, anthros can be merfolk too

what I'm saying is that humanoid_merfolk says:

Note that humanoid merfolk do not count as [[humanoid]] or [[human]], and should not be tagged as such.

and that's apparently been on there for two and a half years, on a page created by a staff member.

and if they're not humanoid they're uncategorized form, which is generally not great.

EDIT: either that or they're taur, which I wouldn't agree with either.

dba_afish said:
what I'm saying is that humanoid_merfolk says:

Note that humanoid merfolk do not count as [[humanoid]] or [[human]], and should not be tagged as such.

and that's apparently been on there for two and a half years, on a page created by a staff member.

and if they're not humanoid they're uncategorized form, which is generally not great.

This feels like the same sort of silliness that says taurs can't be humanoid or anthro.

dba_afish said:
what I'm saying is that humanoid_merfolk says:

Note that humanoid merfolk do not count as [[humanoid]] or [[human]], and should not be tagged as such.

and that's apparently been on there for two and a half years, on a page created by a staff member.

and if they're not humanoid they're uncategorized form, which is generally not great.

EDIT: either that or they're taur, which I wouldn't agree with either.

Ah, sorry for misunderstanding

dba_afish said:
what I'm saying is that humanoid_merfolk says:

Note that humanoid merfolk do not count as [[humanoid]] or [[human]], and should not be tagged as such.

and that's apparently been on there for two and a half years, on a page created by a staff member.

and if they're not humanoid they're uncategorized form, which is generally not great.

EDIT: either that or they're taur, which I wouldn't agree with either.

For the record a change being made by a staff member does not guaranty that it actually is/was correct or without flaws.

I do find the exclusion of merfolk being tagged directly as humanoid quite odd when merfolk being tagged with anthro by comparison seems perfectly fine. I do kinda understand the taur exception because it actually is 2 full separate bodies merged together but in the case of mermaid style merfolk it is basically just a tail not a full fish body, same with lamias(granted beyond the position of the genitalia on those it is harder to define wether we are talking about a serpent's full body or just its tail)...