like is there any protocol to set up a mirror somewhere else or something?
afaik e6 is in hosted in america and shit's not looking to great there rn

You would probably never get a direct answer here from the administration since only a select few are actual employees of Dragonfruit Ventures, a subsidiary of Bad Dragon who owns the servers.

Most of the "active" admins you see here are volunteers that are not employed by Dragonfruit.
On the other hand, most of the actual employees (including the owner) do not directly interact with the community unless they are there to announce major site updates, policy changes, or legal issues (see news updates and its history).

There exists several backups of the whole site I believe, owned by third-parties who would archive and could potentially provide the means to revive the site if the worse case happens (provided they also have the server hardware and alternate domain set up).

If you want to see an example of how that would look like, you can look at http://herpy.nu/ (formally http://herpy.net/ under Bad Dragon).
The site was shut down by the owner due to reasons and it was revived under a different owner.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Dragonfruit Ventures, the parent company of Bad Dragon who owns the servers.

it's actually the other way around, but yeah. DFV is the part of the company that focuses on web services and advertising.

thegreatwolfgang said:
You would probably never get a direct answer here from the administration since only a select few are actual employees of Dragonfruit Ventures, a subsidiary of Bad Dragon who owns the servers.

Most of the "active" admins you see here are volunteers that are not employed by Dragonfruit.
On the other hand, most of the actual employees (including the owner) do not directly interact with the community unless they are there to announce major site updates, policy changes, or legal issues (see news updates and its history).

There exists several backups of the whole site I believe, owned by third-parties who would archive and could potentially provide the means to revive the site if the worse case happens (provided they also have the server hardware and alternate domain set up).

If you want to see an example of how that would look like, you can look at http://herpy.nu/ (formally http://herpy.net/ under Bad Dragon).
The site was shut down by the owner due to reasons and it was revived under a different owner.

This answers several questions, even if it doesn't quite answer the one I had. Thank you.

I've been having these concerns as well. It would be prudent to have redundancy set up in other countries of all the database, and frontend. If things went down the only thing which would need to boot up is a new domain. Likely would face some hick-ups with bandwidth though so won't be a completely smooth transition.

fistpup said:
I've been having these concerns as well. It would be prudent to have redundancy set up in other countries of all the database, and frontend. If things went down the only thing which would need to boot up is a new domain. Likely would face some hick-ups with bandwidth though so won't be a completely smooth transition.

The uh
The-
The database doesn't suddenly get nuked if the site gets blocked
It makes no financial sense to completely duplicate the site into some other country just in case the site were to get blocked, that's lot of hosting costs that go unused
I'm sure we'd have a few days or maybe a week of downtime then we'd be fine
There would probably also be a bit of turbulence for the first bit while something more permanent gets sorted out

donovan_dmc said:
The uh
The-
The database doesn't suddenly get nuked if the site gets blocked
It makes no financial sense to completely duplicate the site into some other country just in case the site were to get blocked, that's lot of hosting costs that go unused
I'm sure we'd have a few days or maybe a week of downtime then we'd be fine
There would probably also be a bit of turbulence for the first bit while something more permanent gets sorted out

Ah, that makes sense, thanks for that. It's hard to really moderate logical leaps sometimes, but I do fear of the administrations intentions and actions.

Haven't we had very near misses with this exact scenario before? I seem to remember a news update a couple years ago pleading to vote against a bill in the state e6's servers are in.

EDIT: Found it. April 2024.

April 2nd: The politicians in Arizona are about to sign into law a bill that would mandate sites like e621 to either impose age verification on all users or be at a risk of lawsuits. Such system would be required to go through third party vendors, who in turn must go through a government database to verify every user's age. This is not only a major violation of privacy, but it also opens up a very real danger of identity theft through phishing schemes and other methods, not to mention that we would not be able to control any of that information to make sure it is permanently deleted after age verification is complete.

Unfortunately, Arizona is the state out of which e621 operates, which means that this law will almost certainly affect us if it is to pass. If want to help us ensure that this site can continue to serve you without being required to know who you are, please ask the Arizona governor to veto this bill.

Please, help us get the word out by letting others know about this issue.

For some further information on what the bill does have a look at https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/bill/arizona-hb-2586/

We got lucky enough for that bill to be vetoed, but we did not have a contingency plan in case it passed. We need one for if they try again.

Something I've been particularly worried about is what could happen to our user data. There are organizations who've been wanting to pursue charges for possession and distribution of obscene material on porn websites and have just been waiting for an administration favorable to their agenda and this administration isn't just favorable to them, they're in it! So suppose Bad Dragon is taken to court, the e6 servers get seized as evidence, and Bad Dragon loses the case. The DOJ now has traceable data on thousands of people that they can throw obscenity charges at.

While i don't think they're going to waste time and resources hunting every one of us down, it could be useful for going after political opposition. (You ever think about how many lgbtq and animal rights activists are in the furry fandom?) In any case, I don't think anyone should be comfortable with the state having the ability to arrest them whenever it feels like it, especially when it's hostile to people like us, activist or not. I've updated my user email to a protonmail account on every nsfw site I'm on that's hosted in the US and don't plan on logging into any of them or downloading anything from them until I either install a vpn or something happens that will ensure that the feds won't do any of this. (I'm only able to make this post because I'm still logged in on my laptop, but librewolf tends to randomly clean the login cookies anyway, so don't be surprised if I suddenly stop responding)

A friend and I were talking the other day about all of this and they suggested that Bad dragon could protect everyone's data if they started preemptively moving hosts outside the country when the obscenity suits start being thrown at the big normie porn sites like pornhub first. I hope there's some plan like that on the table, cause that would seem like the last chance to do anything.

(if anything here is incorrect or it sounds like I'm jumping the gun, good. Please explain how so I can stop worrying about it! And if my OPSEC sounds terrible, I'd appreciate advice. My understanding of cyber security and the law is still pretty laymen and everything here is just based on what little I've read and heard)

Right.
Like DDMC said, the database doesn't get nuked if the site gets blocked.
And that's the problem. If the database got nuked, while it would be a bummer, it at least couldn't be used against anyone. People like that would want our database to stay exactly as-is.

If we left the US, some tags might have to be purged, but it might be our only option. We should at least make a plan of action in case of emergency.

Alright, this is descending into frankly weird conspiracyposting.
Enough.