Topic: Physical Gender Name Standardization: aliases/discussion: *penis <-> *dick or *pussy <-> *vagina (also cuntboy, dickgirl, herm, maleherm, neuter etc)

titanmelon

Former Staff

The discussion in here concerns PHYSICAL, not STATED gender/sex. If you want to discuss the nuances of stated gender tags on e621, this is not the place to do it

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If you want to discuss tagging genders on posts with non-human anatomy tags like, cloaca, genital_slit, pseudo-penis etc:

  • Please go to forum #190431 - Tagging Policy Discussion: Feral anatomy and tagging genders:[..] (Apr. 2016) instead

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It's kind of ridiculous that these tags weren't changed since forever ago

Explanation

The main 2 gender tags right now, are *penis, and *pussy
(Herm and crossgender tags notwithstanding)

One is currently a slang term, and one is an established term

Other than a few instances of using slang terms in tags where that is the more common usage (like horsecock and multi cock, tail cock and a couple other animal examples), the majority of male related tags use penis

This is also related to some issues [see Other Discussion below in OP] that people are having with tags like cuntboy and dickgirl; it's not very professional, and puts e621 on the same level as less-organized sites such as paheal and [insertfurrythemehere]booru

So a couple suggestions:
1. We balance out the term disparity by using slang terms for all explicitly-gendered tags where applicable (i.e. if they exist; cock, pussy, dickgirl, cuntboy etc.)..or,
2. We can use the official terms for them (penis, vagina, etc) and either come up with an 'official' term for the others where none exist..or,
3. We can come up with entirely new terms for all explicitly-gendered tags..or,
4. We can use no tags for genders at all. Everything is ambiguous gender regardless of what's depicted
Doing any of the above would effectively stem most complaints about tag inequality (though picking the first option would probably still raise offense to the terms used)
(Personally, my suggestion would be using the slightly more medical, less colloquial terms (penis, vagina etc.) since it's probably the easiest to implement and has the fewest options for complaint. Also, it feels more 'official')
Major proposed tags so far:
 
  • forum #199781 for a recent (Jul. 2016) summary of proposals, with pros and cons
    • Note that some suggestions may be missing from discussions outside the aforementioned forum topic. See [here] for one of them
This gives us a total of 7 genders, excluding ambiguous_gender
Note: Needs updating based on discussion taking place in:
  • forum #201307 - Inconsistent sex tagging system (Jul. 2016)
  • forum #195804 - Slur Tags Creating Better Tags for intersex and trans characters (Jun. 2016)
ambiguous
 
binary
 
hermaphroditic 
 
  • 4. (female)herm
    • gynoherm
altersex ('intersex')
 
  • 5. 'cuntboy'
    • andromorph
    • vagentleman
      • vagent
neuter
 
  • 7. neuter (???)
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Meta
  • altersex (tentative)
I was tempted to put neuter and ambiguous in the same category for symmetry, but one is a physical sex, and one is a meta-identifier
Until we come up with a less ambiguous tag for the neuter sex, I'm guessing ambiguous_gender is filling that gap
Forum link: forum #140749 - Physical Gender Name Standardization: aliases/discussion (Oct. 2014)
Other Discussion
  • forum #140749 - Physical Gender Tag aliases/discussion (Oct. 2014)

      

      
  
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