Ah, it's 4am, I have plans tomorrow, but I'll just look in the forums real quick...

fuck.

AnotherDay said:
But there aren't plentiful other sites that have such a comprehensive and well thought out tagging standard, or just standards of operation in general.

That is not our fault. we do not control others. Also, generally speaking, several of the other websites DO have comprehensive standards. They're jsut different than ours.

Frankly, the excuse that this is "furry centrist" and "there are plenty of other sites that also have non-furry content" really doesn't work when those other sites aren't even half as well run, put together, and objective as this website.

Thank you very much.

But, yes it does. We don't control those other websites. If you want an all-inclusive website, feel free to make one yourself. Go start your own place.

We don't WANT the non-furry content though. If I want cutesy boo humans, I can go to danbooru. I don't LIKE human art though, most of the time.

Even more so when many of them are host to malvertising.

That is a very unfortunate problem :c I hate it and I'm sorry.

It often seems like the only reason human content isn't allowed is because "this is how it was always meant to be and so this is how we're always going to do it!" It could be so much more and so much better if it weren't the tiny bit discriminatory in this specific manner that it is.

We did allow humans for much of the site's life, you know? We also allowed all sorts of other things. My early upload history invovles several impact-font memes, and a series of photographs of women with their hair styled to look like animals.

Most of that is shit content and I'm glad it's not allowed anymore. We're a better site for it. That whole "well run, put together, comprehensive, well thoguht out, standard of operations" thing? is because we enforce our rules.

This website has nearly everything for every occasion, whether safe or erotic, and its standards and tagging system is the best in the industry.

Again, thank you.

The only thing it's missing and will forever continue to miss is content with only humans or content with things that look too much like a human.

Things need to have non-human traits. it's not that hard. cat ears, a tail, pointy ears, 3 eyes, wings, a mouth full of shark teeth, any of those are a shoo in.

Basically, if it just has blue skin, it's not good enough. if it just has yellow eyes, it's not good enough. I can do that with some body paint and contacts. Seriously.

Furry is a niche community. e621 is OUR place. we are great because we have a limited scope.

Finally, and this is the biggest part, by finally allowing human only content there'd be no more contradictory calls,

Ha! By and large, most of the messages we get are people confused as to why their art was deleted for not being good enough. Or asking why we said that their comment was creepy. All this would do is remove ONE aspect of our work here.

you wouldn't have members calling for staff to create and adhere to strict standards of what is and isn't relevant because, suddenly, everything that isn't illegal or real would be relevant.

Unless it doesn't meet our quality standards, which is why about 90% of images get deleted.

(last 100 deletions:
3 too small
51 Inferior version/duplicate
8 Does not meet minimum quality standards (Artistic)
8 human only
1 Real like Pornography
2 Uploader requested removal (better version coming! oops, it's broken, wrong file!)
6 Official takedown request
1 previously deleted
1 DNP/paysite
5 shitpost
14 Automatic deletion

So, your proposal would save 8 posts. (7, actually because one was gross)

Those 51 inferior/duplicate posts would still need to be gone through. we'd still ned to make judgemetn calls there and STILL have to deal with peopel complaining about their post being deleted.

It'd speed up approvals because you'd no longer have people making judgement calls, having to consult with other staff, or just outright ignore a piece and hope someone else gets to it because they just don't know.

You talk about 'human only' as if it's some mystical confusing idea instead of "does it look like a human with makeup?"

Likewise, you talk about human only as if it is the sole reason the queue occasionally gets clogged up.

or just outright ignore a piece and hope someone else gets to it because they just don't know.

This doesn't happen. Humans are really fucking easy to spot.The pictures that get left behind are basically the pictures that are low quality. Seriously.

You're telling us that we have a problem that we really don't have. You're giving us a solution to a problem that we don't have.

The only things that'd really have to manually be reviewed are "Is this IRL porn, is this illegal, and is the artist on DNP,"

And quality. aka "that thing that we have to manually review on everything no matter what"... aka "that thing that makes us good."

and if a majority of uploaders did their job and included the artist name that last one wouldn't be much of a problem at all.

Yeah, if we could get people to listen to the rules, that would be nice. Especially the long standing rules that have been here for years and that we've indicated are not changing.

So, yeah. Overall, it seems like removing the "human filter" would make processing faster and save staff time not only in judgements but also in defending their positions on questionable calls as those three things are pretty cut and dry unlike the system of "well, it depends on who gets to it first" that we currently have now which bogs down the otherwise smoothly running well oiled machine.

Except that's not a problem we have.

for fuck's sake.

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That's what gets "lost" at the end of the queue.

The problem is that we have 1000 posts a day that all have to be manually approved--the tiem consuming part of which is looking at each picture and determining if it's high quality, well sourced, not DNP, etc.

Frankly, there's no real good reason for e6 to be furry only in this day and age. It provides absolutely no benefit and, quite the opposite, deters and alienates

you don't understand what a niche is, do you?

This is not mcdonalds. we do not have something for everyone.

It'd make things easier on everyone if this went from being a "furry archive site" to just an "archive site."

It really wouldn't. And if someone gets the bright idea to upload danbooru's 4 million posts over here, I'll quit.

As for going in the other direction or anything else, there's no point in speculating just like there's no point in not showing that, even after all these years, there's still interest in allowing human only content on e6.

Yes, I know. This is not the first time you've brought this up. but mostly, peoepl are happy coming here for non-human art.

I've learned from experience that just because the staff generally stick to their guns on things doesn't mean that they won't ever change their minds, no matter what they may say to the contrary.

We are probably way more likely to ban the near-human things.

So, to this extent, I'll continue to be befuddled by the absolute abhorrence to human only content and continue to point out, whenever others bring up a related topic, that there's still an interest to include, and good reasons to include, human only content on top of the everything other than that which is already allowed.

Absolute abhorrance?

well. there's your answer.

We don't like it.

we're a niche.

you go to a chinese restaurant for chinese food, not to order a pizza.
You go to a book store to buy books, not golf clubs. we can get you a book ABOUT golfing, about golf clubs.... but not gold clubs.

We specialize in non-humans, especially furries. that's what we sell here. Foxes and naga and elves and squirrels and angels. Not humans.

There is.... TONS of human porn out there.

SO MUCH human porn.

this little corner of the internet is for non-human porn.

we don't want it here.

A few do. And sure, I'll admit, it'd be nice to have a place that focused on western art and pornography in a humany sort of way. but we're furries.

we like furries.

and if we start accepting humans here, we're going to attract people who want to look at humans. people who start insulting our users because they're into that furry shit.

Wouldn't happen you say? look at how people react whenever cub is brought up. "should this be allowed? isn't it breaking rules? it's disgusting!"

We don't want that. this is OUR place. this is where WE go. If people come here, it's because they WANT to be here.