I know I'm probably like the four hundred and eleventy-twelfth person to make a post about this, but I don't legitimately know which staff to contact specifically, and I don't think it's awfully appropriate to post this on the Post Approval thread, because the last comment was 4 years ago.

As the name suggests, all but one of my uploads have been taking a long time to be approved, and sure, that wouldn't be a big deal if it were one or two like many other people have made topics about, but this is 9 images we're talking about, and they've been sitting around for up to 5 days, and I'm unable to post anything else, so...

Here are the posts of mention
post #1190324 post #1190345 post #1190363 post #1191111 post #1193054
post #1191105 post #1191101 post #1191119 post #1191121

Thank you.

Shortstaffed and lots of uploads. It takes time, dont worry, just have patience.

Don't worry about it, it's normal. I've had images take upwards of two weeks to be approved of or deleted. They'll get to it, don't you worry.

Yeah, I know it takes time and everything; the only reason I said anything was because
1. The total was on the higher side and is affecting my ability to post and
2. One of them actually WAS approved in a timely manner, and it was in the middle of all my uploads, so I figure justifiably, they would've gone through all before it, or gone through all after it. (either of which would've prevented this)

AFAIK approvals are done in random order instead of chronologically from the back (which is just plain silly, but I digress) so they sometimes take a while.

Admins may look at certain themes more than others, or at thumbnails that look easier to estimate.

A humanoid picture like Inuyasha is blurrier territory that they may skip over for the time being, while a lot of the other images look fairly crowded. post #1191117, while somewhat crowded, is a pretty safe guess that it's just a group based on the names hovering around the Pokemon, and Pokemon is a popular tag. Having a few anthros mixed in helps as well. post #1191119 on the other hand, while a solo image, is also a feral one. Less popular than anthro.

We review stuff when we get to it. Asking for posts to be reviewed will not make it get processed any faster.
Keep in mind, we janitors are un-payed slave workers(volunteers) for e621/dragon fruit, therefore we work on our own time when we have time.

Chaser said:
we janitors are un-payed slave workers(volunteers) for e621/dragon fruit

and admins except for 3 others

Chaser said:
For e621/dragon fruit.

Dragon fruit?

Notkastar said:
Dragon fruit?

E621.

Notkastar said:
Dragon fruit?

Dragonfruit Ventures, LLC is the parent company of Bad Dragon, e621, Furry network, f-list, and some secret stuff(maybe, not Szechuan Sauce tho, unfortunately) that I cannot mention here, mostly because I don't know. :v
They also do the ads.

Chaser said:
Dragonfruit Ventures, LLC is the parent company of Bad Dragon, e621, Furry network, f-list, and some secret stuff(maybe, not Szechuan Sauce tho, unfortunately) that I cannot mention here, mostly because I don't know. :v
They also do the ads.

Huh, Didn't know this company I just herd about today had their fingers in so many pies lolz ╹‿╹) But just what are they?
Sorry for going off into a bit of a tangent but the more I think about it, The more questions I have about just what this company does to stay afloat and why so many furry based places are partnered with it.

O16 said:
E621.

Also Lolz ~ w ~

Notkastar said:
Huh, Didn't know this company I just herd about today had their fingers in so many pies lolz ╹‿╹) But just what are they?
Sorry for going off into a bit of a tangent but the more I think about it, The more questions I have about just what this company does to stay afloat and why so many furry based places are partnered with it.

They aren't partnered with furry places - they own furry places. Furry businesses ARE what they do to stay afloat. At least, to my understanding.

Clawdragons said:
They aren't partnered with furry places - they own furry places. Furry businesses ARE what they do to stay afloat. At least, to my understanding.

I think dildos are what they do to stay afloat. Bad Dragon is essentially the ultimate not-Japan dildo company. They might just be ultimate period.

Clawdragons said:
They aren't partnered with furry places - they own furry places. Furry businesses ARE what they do to stay afloat. At least, to my understanding.

Economically it is called conglomerate (an economic strategy based on the ownership of multiple companies within a specific sector, having the intention of dominate market; this isn't illegal, but sometimes is a questionable behavior).

O16 said:
Economically it is called conglomerate (an economic strategy based on the ownership of multiple companies within a specific sector, having the intention of dominate market; this isn't illegal, but sometimes is a questionable behavior).

Well, how many competing companies are there or have there been? It's a very "questionable" sector to begin with. I think galleries is the biggest field, with sites like Weasyl, Furaffinity, and Inkbunny.

O16 said:
Economically it is called conglomerate (an economic strategy based on the ownership of multiple companies within a specific sector, having the intention of dominate market; this isn't illegal, but sometimes is a questionable behavior).

That would be a monopoly of furry stuff

GDelscribe said:
AFAIK approvals are done in random order instead of chronologically from the back (which is just plain silly, but I digress) so they sometimes take a while.

High-quality posts get approved quickly. The rest often need a second (or third) opinion, and end up sitting in the queue for a long time because of that. There's nothing silly about that. It's for the sake of maintaining the quality standards.

Genjar please come back

TheHuskyK9 said:
That would be a monopoly of furry stuff

An oligopoly actually.

Edit: Now I am not sure if you are talking about economy or board games.

O16 said:
An oligopoly actually.

Edit: Now I am not sure if you are talking about economy or board games.

Yes.

Knotty_Curls said:
Genjar please come back

Nah. I need to focus on all the projects that I've been neglecting. Don't have time to spend hours each day shifting through the queue and answering angry mails about why someone's colonoscopy photo got deleted.

fair enough

Furrin_Gok said:
Admins may look at certain themes more than others, or at thumbnails that look easier to estimate.

A humanoid picture like Inuyasha is blurrier territory that they may skip over for the time being, while a lot of the other images look fairly crowded. post #1191117, while somewhat crowded, is a pretty safe guess that it's just a group based on the names hovering around the Pokemon, and Pokemon is a popular tag. Having a few anthros mixed in helps as well. post #1191119 on the other hand, while a solo image, is also a feral one. Less popular than anthro.

But InuYasha IS allowed according to the rules, primarily because of 1 thing; his dog ears. There shouldn't need to be any kind of deliberation. Also, mario_bros, sonic_(series), and super_smash_bros are all pretty popular tags, too. I don't honestly see what being anthro has to do with it. Just because "feral" is less popular doesn't mean it breaks the rules.

Genjar said:
High-quality posts get approved quickly. The rest often need a second (or third) opinion, and end up sitting in the queue for a long time because of that. There's nothing silly about that. It's for the sake of maintaining the quality standards.

Geez, I know I'm not a professional, but I thought my art was fairly indisputably above MINIMUM quality standards... Apparently not...

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
But InuYasha IS allowed according to the rules, primarily because of 1 thing; his dog ears. There shouldn't need to be any kind of deliberation. Also, mario_bros, sonic_(series), and super_smash_bros are all pretty popular tags, too. I don't honestly see what being anthro has to do with it. Just because "feral" is less popular doesn't mean it breaks the rules.

Geez, I know I'm not a professional, but I thought my art was fairly indisputably above MINIMUM quality standards... Apparently not...

They aren't saying that Inuyasha isn't allowed, but that it is more difficult to tell at a glance whether an image of the sort like with Inuyasha ought to be approved or not.

In other words, it's more difficult to distinguish a humanoid as site-relevant from a thumbnail or whatever, whereas images with anthros and ferals are more obviously relevant even just looking at a brief glance. So they'll get approved faster.

Working as intended
I believe I had a few posts possibly take a month to approve, iirc

Popularity does have bearing, because janitors, moderators, and admins still are people looking at things.

Furrin_Gok said:
Popularity does have bearing, because janitors, moderators, and admins still are people looking at things.

I didn't SAY it didn't have bearing. I said that it really shouldn't.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
I didn't SAY it didn't have bearing. I said that it really shouldn't.

It really should.

The only way to make it so that popularity doesn't have a bearing would be to forbid janitors and whatnot from approving images they happen across on their own time, and to force them to work from the "back of the line".

That would make the process less efficient, and in general posts would take even longer to approve than they do now.

By analogy, that would be like forbidding users from correcting the tags on posts that they happen across when searching for something they are interested in, and demand that they must exclusively work on tagging projects if they want to tag images.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Geez, I know I'm not a professional, but I thought my art was fairly indisputably above MINIMUM quality standards... Apparently not...

Actually looking through your record the majority of your deleted posts were for irrelevancy.

FoxFourOhFour said:
Actually looking through your record the majority of your deleted posts were for irrelevancy.

Those are from trying to upload human-only art, simply because I didn't know it wasn't allowed at that point, but that isn't the point. None of MY art has been deleted for not meeting the minimum quality standards, so if something like my old art is of high enough quality, then my new art does indisputably. It isn't anything that breaks the rules, so I don't understand why they require all these second and third opinions.

Clawdragons said:
It really should.

The only way to make it so that popularity doesn't have a bearing would be to forbid janitors and whatnot from approving images they happen across on their own time, and to force them to work from the "back of the line".

That would make the process less efficient, and in general posts would take even longer to approve than they do now.

By analogy, that would be like forbidding users from correcting the tags on posts that they happen across when searching for something they are interested in, and demand that they must exclusively work on tagging projects if they want to tag images.

Meh, maybe it's just me, but I STILL think that would be the better alternative. In that regard, it's more like a cycling process, that would at least have more consistent approval times, the only real factor being how much was posted in that day, which is already a notable factor regardless, so I don't see the downside. I don't see how inconsistency is efficient in any way.

Also, that analogy is fairly weak, just saying, because it's moreso applying this kind of logic to something that it can't legitimately or accurately be applied to.

Unfortunately, that would just encourage even more staff members to quit. People are people, treating them like machines never ends well.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Meh, maybe it's just me, but I STILL think that would be the better alternative. In that regard, it's more like a cycling process, that would at least have more consistent approval times, the only real factor being how much was posted in that day, which is already a notable factor regardless, so I don't see the downside. I don't see how inconsistency is efficient in any way.

Also, that analogy is fairly weak, just saying, because it's moreso applying this kind of logic to something that it can't legitimately or accurately be applied to.

If you don't let someone approve the posts they like, and instead insist they work from the back of the line, not only will they not work on approving things while they are doing other sorts of browsing, but they would also be more reluctant to actually go to the back of the queue and approve things as well. In other words, it would remove not only the opportunistic approvals that janitors and whatnot do, but also a lot of the motivation to go and approve images overall.

After all, working from the back would force a user to completely turn off their blacklist, and perhaps be exposed to material they really, really don't like to see. And whether they're willing to do that or not, they're going to end up doing it less frequently.

I'd rather have some images taking five days to be approved, and other images being approved instantly, than every image taking a month to be approved.

If approvers are slowing down, maybe we might need a few more after a while. I've around for a while and back in the Mellis era, I don't think I ever saw a post take more than 3 days to be approved.

Dogenzaka said:
I've around for a while and back in the Mellis era, I don't think I ever saw a post take more than 3 days to be approved.

No wonder, since there's about twenty times as many posts per day now. And the daily workload just keeps growing.

...I'm still amazed by how popular furry art has become. I remember the usenet days, when we used to get maybe a couple of posts on a good day. And most were MSPaint quality.

Clawdragons said:
If you don't let someone approve the posts they like, and instead insist they work from the back of the line, not only will they not work on approving things while they are doing other sorts of browsing, but they would also be more reluctant to actually go to the back of the queue and approve things as well. In other words, it would remove not only the opportunistic approvals that janitors and whatnot do, but also a lot of the motivation to go and approve images overall.

After all, working from the back would force a user to completely turn off their blacklist, and perhaps be exposed to material they really, really don't like to see. And whether they're willing to do that or not, they're going to end up doing it less frequently.

I'd rather have some images taking five days to be approved, and other images being approved instantly, than every image taking a month to be approved.

Huh, I figured in order to efficiently do their job, they had to do that anyway. I understand they're volunteers and everything, but if they fail to do their job, they aren't really deserving of their position, at least in my opinion. As far as I see, you really need to put your convictions and preferences aside once you're promoted. I see it less as treating them like machines than treating them like people with obligations and responsibilities. (It's not like I'm saying something like approve at least 50 images per day, it's not really affecting how much time they have to put into approval, there's no reason for the amount of time they spend approving things to change)

I seriously doubt every image would take an absurd amount like a month... I'd rather have a slightly higher, but fairly consistent approval time than some posts being approved instantly, some being approved in days, some being approved in weeks, some being approved in a month.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Huh, I figured in order to efficiently do their job, they had to do that anyway. I understand they're volunteers and everything, but if they fail to do their job, they aren't really deserving of their position, at least in my opinion.

Yeah, I'm glad you're not in a position of power. If you want volunteers to jump ship that is how you get them to jump ship.

NotMeNotYou said:
Yeah, I'm glad you're not in a position of power. If you want volunteers to jump ship that is how you get them to jump ship.

Yeah, yeah, sure. I didn't say I want volunteers to jump ship, at all... I said that the staff was promoted for a reason, in order to do their respective job. They have an obligation, they have a responsibility. If they don't do what they were promoted to do, why do they have their position....

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Yeah, yeah, sure. I didn't say I want volunteers to jump ship, at all... I said that the staff was promoted for a reason, in order to do their respective job. They have an obligation, they have a responsibility. If they don't do what they were promoted to do, why do they have their position....

They are doing their job, the problem is the workload increases but reliable volunteers are hard to come by.

You can't seriously expect that any volunteer is willing to "waste" 1-2 hours daily, every day to look at and judge images.

NotMeNotYou said:
They are doing their job, the problem is the workload increases but reliable volunteers are hard to come by.

You can't seriously expect that any volunteer is willing to "waste" 1-2 hours daily, every day to look at and judge images.

For the love of Arceus, did you not read what I said earlier, or are you incapable of interpreting beyond face value.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
( It's not like I'm saying something like approve at least 50 images per day, it's not really affecting how much time they have to put into approval, there's no reason for the amount of time they spend approving things to change )

Could always automate the system so that it deletes all posts that are still unapproved after a week. Since by that point they've been seen by several of the staff, all of whom ended up skipping the posts instead of approving them.

Which is usually good indicator that the posts aren't good enough for the site.

Genjar said:
Could always automate the system so that it deletes all posts that are still unapproved after a week. Since by that point they've been seen by several of the staff, all of whom ended up skipping them instead of approving them.

Which is usually good indicator that the posts aren't good enough for the site.

Considering that other members have said that posts have taken weeks to a month to be approved, how efficient would that be...

Going through the queue properly takes a long time and any progress made is quickly lost from yet more posts. There is also the issue of the blacklist not working when someone goes through it, so it's a guarantee that someone is going to have to trudge through shit (possibly literally) they don't want to see. Not everyone wants to put up with that.

It really does take a few hours per day to rein in the queue. With how many people are posting and the lack of decent prospects for workers, this kind of thing can and will happen.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Yeah, yeah, sure. I didn't say I want volunteers to jump ship, at all... I said that the staff was promoted for a reason, in order to do their respective job. They have an obligation, they have a responsibility. If they don't do what they were promoted to do, why do they have their position....

And now you are saying I'm not doing the job I have been asked to do?
You do realize there are other things to be taken care of than just approvals?

And even with approvals, because I check posts individually, I see so many users just taking first image version they see on front of them and posting it, which means there's better version to be had, that now those posts need to be replaced in future, which means double the job because that post will come back later on as flagged page which needs to be deleted now and new upload approved.

Just yesterday I spend 4 hours doing stuff with tools I have been given, 4 hours is pretty goddamn long time when you are working adult being with limited amount of free time. But for you as user, those 4 hours are invisible, because none of it conserned your account or uploads, but tiny fraction of stuff that just keeps pouring and pouring in.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
For the love of Arceus, did you not read what I said earlier, or are you incapable of interpreting beyond face value.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
( It's not like I'm saying something like approve at least 50 images per day, it's not really affecting how much time they have to put into approval, there's no reason for the amount of time they spend approving things to change )

I perfectly understand what you're saying and what you're getting at, it's just that you're missing some very important data and assume that people don't want to spend time for themselves on e6.

Currently our Janitors poke at the queue as they can, and how they like, any post that is unapproved has a bar at the top with an "approve" button. This means a lot of people browse the site as usual, see or search for something they like and approve those posts they come across. With the raw amount of new posts we get this is already a very efficient way to find new posts in need for approval, but on top of that it's pretty enjoyable to do because they're actively looking at things they like.
Now, with your proposal this would change so that they have to look at everything starting from the back of the queue. This would then include things they don't actually like seeing making it less enjoyable. After they're done with that they'd still probably like to browse e6 on their own devices.

The main differences are the first option does two things: It's leisure and being productive at the same time, the latter is only productive. In effect if the latter would be enforced they'd split their time up into "work" and leisure, since both happen in the free time neither will get as much time assigned as the first option.

So, yes, I understand what you're saying, but having approved more than 280,000 images and regularly going from the back of the queue to clean up I am very confident in saying your solution would only cause more problems than it would solve. I'm not saying this to dismiss you, I'm saying this from 4 years of personal experience regularly doing your proposal.

NotMeNotYou said:
Currently our Janitors poke at the queue as they can, and how they like, any post that is unapproved has a bar at the top with an "approve" button. This means a lot of people browse the site as usual, see or search for something they like and approve those posts they come across. With the raw amount of new posts we get this is already a very efficient way to find new posts in need for approval, but on top of that it's pretty enjoyable to do because they're actively looking at things they like.

Speaking from personal experience, that didn't really work in practice.
I ended up spending more time answering dmails about why something was or wasn't deleted, than browsing the site. There was pretty much always some mails waiting when I logged in.

...after just a couple of months, I starting hating the 'you have mail' bar. Which was always popping up when I was just trying to browse, or trying to get some actual work done. Just trying to keep up with those took so much work that I had no time to browse the site for leisure.

Genjar said:
Speaking from personal experience, that didn't really work in practice.
I ended up spending more time answering dmails about why something was or wasn't deleted, than browsing the site. There was pretty much always some mails waiting when I logged in.

...after just a couple of months, I starting hating the 'you have mail' bar. Which was always popping up when I was just trying to browse, or trying to get some actual work done. Just trying to keep up with those took so much work that I had no time to browse the site for leisure.

Yeah, I'm going through the queue right now and I'll probably have at least 10 of those by tomorrow.

NotMeNotYou said:
They are doing their job, the problem is the workload increases but reliable volunteers are hard to come by.

The first thing that comes to mind reading this: learn to use non-reliable volunteers.

hslugs said:
The first thing that comes to mind reading this: learn to use non-reliable volunteers.

Not a very good idea. I can say with firsthand experience that non-reliable volunteers are usually worse than none at all. I've never been staff or anything, but I was an extremely unreliable volunteer on a different site that would have been better off without me.

More unreliable volunteers also means less staff able to clean up the mess, or even losing whatever hold they had on the site in the first place. What if an unreliable volunteer were to have power they shouldn't be trusted with. I would like to cite GameManiac's (mis)use of the tools available for tagging.

kamimatsu said:
Not a very good idea. I can say with firsthand experience that non-reliable volunteers are usually worse than none at all.

No. I did not mean letting unreliable volunteers do the work that requires reliable ones, that would be stupid.

The reason why the site needs janitors to be reliable is that it can't handle their mistakes well, so it has to rely on the janitors doing the right thing almost always. The key to using unreliable volunteers is learning to how make their individual mistakes irrelevant.

Consider something like this. Some fraction (1) of the users is allowed to vote (2) on whether each given post should remain on the site. Votes are weighted (3) based on "reliability" of each user. Posts that get enough positive votes get soft-approved and removed from the queue. The rest are left for the reliable janitors to look at, who then either hard-approve the post or delete it. Janitors may also approve or delete any soft-approved posts.

If everything works well, the unreliable volunteers reduce the load on the reliable ones significantly, without themselves getting too much power to abuse.

(1) may depend on the number of successful uploads
(2) post score could be used instead if it wasn't broken
(3) may depend on how often the votes of this user went against decisions of the reliable janitors

Keep in mind some of the unreliable volunteers may in fact be scripts making their decision on user upload history, artist upload history, maybe some other tags. Scripts should never be trusted, sure, but once the system is capable of handling unreliable sources, scripts may come handy.

Mario69 said:
And now you are saying I'm not doing the job I have been asked to do?
You do realize there are other things to be taken care of than just approvals?

And even with approvals, because I check posts individually, I see so many users just taking first image version they see on front of them and posting it, which means there's better version to be had, that now those posts need to be replaced in future, which means double the job because that post will come back later on as flagged page which needs to be deleted now and new upload approved.

Just yesterday I spend 4 hours doing stuff with tools I have been given, 4 hours is pretty goddamn long time when you are working adult being with limited amount of free time. But for you as user, those 4 hours are invisible, because none of it conserned your account or uploads, but tiny fraction of stuff that just keeps pouring and pouring in.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!! I'm saying IF they don't do their job well, what's the point of having them. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I respect how much time you put in, and it doesn't matter to me that none of it is centered around me. That isn't the point! I understand perfectly well that this is a large site, with quite a lot to be done, I'm not an idiot.

All I was trying to say for quite a lot of this topic is that the approval times are inconsistent because the manner in which the process is employed is somewhat faulty, at least to me. Aren't you all simply able to search some command in order to sort unapproved things from oldest to newest? Spending a lot of your time in the front can allow things to slip through the cracks UNLESS you do that very thing, so why don't you do that from the beginning? (If I'm wrong, then the majority of this came from a misconception)

hslugs said:
Consider something like this. Some fraction (1) of the users is allowed to vote (2) on whether each given post should remain on the site. Votes are weighted (3) based on "reliability" of each user. Posts that get enough positive votes get soft-approved and removed from the queue. The rest are left for the reliable janitors to look at, who then either hard-approve the post or delete it. Janitors may also approve or delete any soft-approved posts.

That would require a lot of programming effort with most likely very low pay-off.

NotMeNotYou said:
That would require a lot of programming effort with most likely very low pay-off.

Yeah let's settle for lots of janitoring effort instead /s

That's not the only way. Maybe simple auto-approval for posts based on upvotes/downvotes would be enough to reduce the queue to manageable levels.

hslugs said:
Yeah let's settle for lots of janitoring effort instead /s

That's not the only way. Maybe simple auto-approval for posts based on upvotes/downvotes would be enough to reduce the queue to manageable levels.

Basing anything off the upvote/downvote system doesn't sound fair. Especially if it's able to affect a person's deleted post count.

I've been waiting a couple of weeks lately for my posts to be approved but I just deal with it.

wolftacos said:
Basing anything off the upvote/downvote system doesn't sound fair. Especially if it's able to affect a person's deleted post count.

I've been waiting a couple of weeks lately for my posts to be approved but I just deal with it.

Did you use up all of your uploads at once like me? If not, then you've missed the point of the topic...

hslugs said:
Yeah let's settle for lots of janitoring effort instead /s

That's not the only way. Maybe simple auto-approval for posts based on upvotes/downvotes would be enough to reduce the queue to manageable levels.

...

With people downvoting images that contain imagery they disagree with & people upvoting images with comedic low-effort trolling imagery, do you legitimately think it smart to manage images via upvotes and/or downvotes?

Even without imagining that images downvoted would be deleted in that system, forcing people to strut through the downvoted to accept or delete them, because they weren't accepted by an auto-approval system, wouldn't change anything for better. The near-literal chaff of low quality images to be deleted would outnumber the images downvoted for their imagery.

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Did you use up all of your uploads at once like me? If not, then you've missed the point of the topic...

I used to, DHD. And y'know what I did? I dealt with it. Over time I put a bit more focus into certain artists who got approved quickly, and now I got a limit of 70. Sure, I'll upload a bunch of obscure art from new artists, and guess what? I don't care what my limit is, I look instead at how many are still pending. Do I like seeing that count be higher than 5? No, but I deal with it.

If the problem is your upload limit, then go take a look at some popular artist tags, and try and find one whose works aren't swiftly uploaded, especially one who uses digital media and makes art of popular franchises. Trout_(artist), for example, is a digital artist who does Kobolds and Pokemon, but his work seems to end up being uploaded here in batches, rather than shortly after he uploads them to his galleries.

Furrin_Gok said:
I used to, DHD. And y'know what I did? I dealt with it. Over time I put a bit more focus into certain artists who got approved quickly, and now I got a limit of 70. Sure, I'll upload a bunch of obscure art from new artists, and guess what? I don't care what my limit is, I look instead at how many are still pending. Do I like seeing that count be higher than 5? No, but I deal with it.

If the problem is your upload limit, then go take a look at some popular artist tags, and try and find one whose works aren't swiftly uploaded, especially one who uses digital media and makes art of popular franchises. Trout_(artist), for example, is a digital artist who does Kobolds and Pokemon, but his work seems to end up being uploaded here in batches, rather than shortly after he uploads them to his galleries.

I don't bother with popular artist tags, because I don't want to post any duplicates or inferior posts, and I'm not searching through the giant slew of Nintendo and SEGA art to find something that hasn't been uploaded. Submitting my own art allows me to be able to increase my post limit, know that it hasn't already been posted, and have slightly (keyword slightly) more people see my art.

Siral_Exan said:
With people downvoting images that contain imagery they disagree with & people upvoting images with comedic low-effort trolling imagery, do you legitimately think it smart to manage images via upvotes and/or downvotes?

It might work if limited to higher ranking users, like hslugs suggested. Privileged+ generally have a decent idea of what's allowed on the site.

But yeah, besides coding, the main downside would be that it'd leave nothing but garbage in the queue. And that would be the exact kind of soul-crushing work that Nommy mentioned. It wouldn't be easy to convince anyone to work on it.

I honestly don't believe that it'd make the process much faster. Approving good art is easy and quick, but handling the bad uploads is far harder. Especially if you know that it's from an user who's going to write an angry dmail if you delete it. Which makes it easy to skip such posts in the queue..

Siral_Exan said:
With people downvoting images that contain imagery they disagree with & people upvoting images with comedic low-effort trolling imagery, do you legitimately think it smart to manage images via upvotes and/or downvotes?

Yes I do legitimately think that it is possible to extract useful stats from noisy data in this case. And yeah I mean auto-approval of posts deemed very likely to get approved anyway.

forcing people to strut through the downvoted to accept or delete them, because they weren't accepted by an auto-approval system, wouldn't change anything for better.

Huh? https://e621.net/forum/show/229770?page=2#post-229906
Cut the number of posts left for the people to sift through, problem's gone.

Genjar said:
It might work if limited to higher ranking users, like hslugs suggested. Privileged+ generally have a decent idea of what's allowed on the site.

I would limit that to contributor+, 'cause I really don't like the phrase "might work". But, care to put that in example?

Siral_Exan said:
I would limit that to contributor+, 'cause I really don't like the phrase "might work". But, care to put that in example?

Might work because the promotion standards have changed over the years. Nowadays the promoted users are expected to fulfill certain criteria, but it wasn't always this strict. Back in the day, artists could easily get the Contributor rank just by uploading, etc. But not many of them are active anymore.

Genjar said:
I honestly don't believe that it'd make the process much faster. Approving good art is easy and quick, but handling the bad uploads is far harder. Especially if you know that it's from an user who's going to write an angry dmail if you delete it. Which makes it easy to skip such posts in the queue..

Having just gotten in a disagreement with an artist about the quality of their work, I can empathize with this right now.

Though I think in general I'd be pretty good about dealing with this sort of thing. On a few other forums, explaining the same few things a thousand times hasn't gotten me discouraged yet.

Genjar said:
Might work because the promotion standards have changed over the years. Nowadays the promoted users are expected to fulfill certain criteria, but it wasn't always this strict. Back in the day, artists could easily get the Contributor rank just by uploading, etc.

That explains a lot!. Seriously, that answers what I asked Ratte a while ago (why this user had privileged and no positive record).

GDelscribe said:
Shortstaffed and lots of uploads. It takes time, dont worry, just have patience.

Yeah exactly. I'm sure sifting through all the daily posts isn't easy.

hslugs said:

Siral_Exan said:
With people downvoting images that contain imagery they disagree with & people upvoting images with comedic low-effort trolling imagery, do you legitimately think it smart to manage images via upvotes and/or downvotes?

Yes I do legitimately think that it is possible to extract useful stats from noisy data in this case. And yeah I mean auto-approval of posts deemed very likely to get approved anyway.

forcing people to strut through the downvoted to accept or delete them, because they weren't accepted by an auto-approval system, wouldn't change anything for better.

Huh? https://e621.net/forum/show/229770?page=2#post-229906
Cut the number of posts left for the people to sift through, problem's gone.

> scheme with auto-filtering for certain kinds of noise
Boo it's too difficult to implement
> ok guys the bare idea that may even work
Boo the data's noisy it won't work

That crap about weighted votes was there for a reason.

The problem with your solution is that it'd only reduce the workload on the portion of the queue that's easy anyway. Even if the easy portion of clear approvals are completely gone it leaves the bad stuff and the borderline bad stuff.
Not only is that portion still significant, but it's also especially problematic because of the actual uploaders getting very vocal about having their subpar things deleted. I've personally stopped counting after easily a hundred dmails of angry people being offended that their scribbles aren't supposed to be here, or that people can't understand why we won't accept photographs taken with a VGA camera from 2004 with lighting that looks like it comes from a burnt out bulb. The psychological aspect of that entire thing where you have to wade through literal garbage and deal with angry users is far more draining than hitting the approve or delete button itself.

Also, Kira is quite busy with programming on e6 and F-List, any feature that doesn't 100% improve things is not something I'd request from her, especially once things start to get complex with changing or replacing existing system. So "it helps a little" is flat out not worth the time it'd take to implement.

canadianmoose said:
Yeah exactly. I'm sure sifting through all the daily posts isn't easy.

*insert hard joke here*

Duck_Hunt_Dog said:
Did you use up all of your uploads at once like me? If not, then you've missed the point of the topic...

Yes, I did. I had like 34 uploads allowed and then had to wait around two weeks.

This site is not life. I did other things while I waited.

wolftacos said:
Yes, I did. I had like 34 uploads allowed and then had to wait around two weeks.

This site is not life. I did other things while I waited.

Just like I did back when my upload limit was under 20. I just started tagging stuff until something was approved, and you'll never run out of things to tag.