http://www.pokehidden.net/

He is not going to make art anymore, he is retiring.

What's the reasoning?

Is it as dumb of a reason as the old pinkamina tumblr?

Cynosure said:
What's the reasoning?

Is it as dumb of a reason as the old pinkamina tumblr?

No reason.

Cynosure said:
What's the reasoning?

Is it as dumb of a reason as the old pinkamina tumblr?

Put simply, he got tired of making art/content for the internet. All he ever really got to do was "fan work/art" projects and commissions, and next to nothing for himself. All of it took the fun and drive out of what was largely a hobby.

another artist leaving "forever"
in b4 he sets up a patreon

The Source of his page is telling the reason:

if you're looking here guess then you must be really curious about any other kind of info, guess i'll just write here why i'm quitting posting:
for a long time now, drawing has stopped being fun for me due to several reasons. i believe that this will help me enjoy drawing again.
people that follow me for a long time know how much i loathe my own art, hopefully this is a nice opportunity for me to get gud at drawing
and maybe even start liking my own art a bit. not sure if i'll ever get back to drawing stuff for the internet, but if i do it wont be
under the same name and i'll try my best to change my style, going away from that god awful big eyed cartoony shit i do.

SnoopieDoopieDerpy said:
The Source of his page is telling the reason:

*facedesks repeatedly* a lot of us actually like his art style... it made his art memorable and cute while still being good porn... not many artists can claim to get that right.

Esme_Belles said:
*facedesks repeatedly* a lot of us actually like his art style... it made his art memorable and cute while still being good porn... not many artists can claim to get that right.

But it is mainly the artists themselves that matter most. If an artist doesn't enjoy what they do it's selfish to demand more from them. I'll miss 'em but I can't say I respect them any less for wanting to quit if that's truly how they feel.

I can understand artists losing the will to draw over time and simply quit the scene, but I really hate when they nuke everything in the process. That's the one part I never find cool when some artist I know just, decides to ragequit like that

SnoopieDoopieDerpy said:
The Source of his page is telling the reason: [...]

Clever

Neitsuke said:
I can understand artists losing the will to draw over time and simply quit the scene, but I really hate when they nuke everything in the process. That's the one part I never find cool when some artist I know just, decides to ragequit like that

I hate that too. I guess some just don't want to be remembered

Cool. Less pony work being pumped out.

Anyways, who actually cares? 99% of you, minimum, didn't even buy a commission from him and just sat back and fapped to the free work that he put out. I would quit too under those circumstances. Making a living as an artist is hard.

Hiatuss said:
But it is mainly the artists themselves that matter most. If an artist doesn't enjoy what they do it's selfish to demand more from them. I'll miss 'em but I can't say I respect them any less for wanting to quit if that's truly how they feel.

"George R.R. Martin is not your bitch."
-Neil Gaiman

[Pokehidden]
if you're looking here guess then you must be really curious about any other kind of info, guess i'll just write here why i'm quitting posting: for a long time now, drawing has stopped being fun for me due to several reasons. i believe that this will help me enjoy drawing again.

people that follow me for a long time know how much i loathe my own art, hopefully this is a nice opportunity for me to get gud at drawing and maybe even start liking my own art a bit. not sure if i'll ever get back to drawing stuff for the internet, but if i do it wont be under the same name and i'll try my best to change my style, going away from that god awful big eyed cartoony shit i do.

I can respect that. To make art, it has to be worth it to you. When it stops being worth it to you, something has to change. There doesn't have to be anything objectively wrong with an artstyle, but if it is not what satisfies the artist who is making it. Well then it's really not worth doing anymore and it's wise to move onto doing something you actually enjoy. You've gotta follow your muse. So I think it's great for them and probably healthy. They're they're going to try some new things, get some passion for art again, see what else they can do instead of sticking with just one thing. Pushing yourself, broadening your range and improving your skills are usually good things as well. But most of all, I really hope they find enjoyment again. Passion and enjoyment is such a key part of life, that without it everything is kinda pointless. So, I honestly respect what they're doing.

Rayzr said:
Cool. Less pony work being pumped out.

Anyways, who actually cares? 99% of you, minimum, didn't even buy a commission from him and just sat back and fapped to the free work that he put out. I would quit too under those circumstances. Making a living as an artist is hard.

That's how 99% of artist are anyways, unless you're like Onta or one of the hardblush artists. No other artist is complaining about those conditions, and pokehidden isn't complaining about those conditions either. What he's complaining about is that he HATES his own style, and to be honest I would too it's all just silly and hard to take seriously. He wants to produce GOOD art, not cartoon bullshit (at least that's what he says, but in case you need an example)

This is his art:
https://derpicdn.net/img/2012/11/27/165537/full.png

Is it great for the game he produces or good for fast "quality" content? Absolutely.

but is it something he can be proud of producing? no. I believe what he wants to produce is something more like this:

post #555751

Now will he actually come back producing that type of content? I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want to but what he says leads me to believe this, see:

"i'll try my best to change my style, going away from that god awful big eyed cartoony shit i do."

So he clearly does not like his own style, furthermore he wants so badly to seperate himself from his old style that he even says this:

"but if i do it wont be under the same name"

So he wouldn't come back under the same name to completely separate himself from his old style, he clearly does not enjoy the content he produces rather then the situation hes in.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong, but I doubt he's leaving because of his situation rather then his personal opinion of his art style.

Waba_Grill said:
I hate that too. I guess some just don't want to be remembered

I would. I'd want to be remembered as someone prolific if the stars aligned themselves just right, like they did with the furry pioneer James M. Hardiman.

Hiatuss said:
But it is mainly the artists themselves that matter most. If an artist doesn't enjoy what they do it's selfish to demand more from them. I'll miss 'em but I can't say I respect them any less for wanting to quit if that's truly how they feel.

No I totally agree with you...it's just depressing and I don't know...unnecessary? when they blow their past up with the big old nuke it from orbit button. that annoys the hell out of me. If not for e621 no one would be able to compare his progress away from what he hates, as well as his old artwork, etc. Deletion doesn't mean that part of his history doesn't exist...
A lot of us loved his work, and he gained lots of fame with it. Wouldn't it be easier to post a journal saying "no more commissions, no more of this, I will be going on break until I feel good about my artwork again." Instead of disappearing into the depths of the internet with barley a trace of what and why?

Esme_Belles said:
No I totally agree with you...it's just depressing and I don't know...unnecessary? when they blow their past up with the big old nuke it from orbit button. that annoys the hell out of me. If not for e621 no one would be able to compare his progress away from what he hates, as well as his old artwork, etc. Deletion doesn't mean that part of his history doesn't exist...
A lot of us loved his work, and he gained lots of fame with it. Wouldn't it be easier to post a journal saying "no more commissions, no more of this, I will be going on break until I feel good about my artwork again." Instead of disappearing into the depths of the internet with barley a trace of what and why?

For some leaving their work behind will do nothing but remind them of where they used to be. So to truly move on, they have to wipe the slate completely clean

But pretending that nothing happened in the past and act like you're brand new to the world won't help either. Why simply not just "let it go" and improve from there, so in the future when you will be very happy by how you improved with your art, you could look back at what you were doing before and see by how far and better you got over time ?

Giving the blind eye to your past and nuking every traces of it won't solve everything by magic. It's just going to give a nasty aftertaste to people who were looking forward to you

Neitsuke said:
But pretending that nothing happened in the past and act like you're brand new to the world won't help either. Why simply not just "let it go" and improve from there, so in the future when you will be very happy by how you improved with your art, you could look back at what you were doing before and see by how far and better you got over time ?

Giving the blind eye to your past and nuking every traces of it won't solve everything by magic. It's just going to give a nasty aftertaste to people who were looking forward to you

Would you willingly leave every single thing that you yourself created and have subsequently deemed a failure in public display and leave yourself open to the most-likely constant requests and demands of those who might enjoy the work that you yourself perceive as a failure, especially when that past work fills you with self-loathing and casts the shadow of doubt over all that you seek to do in the future? I don't think so.

Forgive me if I come on too strong here, but it seems to me that you're grossly oversimplifying the artist's mindset here and you are refusing to try to understand their thought process because of your own bias as a fan or follower or what-have-you. What YOU want Pokehidden to do, given your position in this matter, is absolutely irrelevant. I know that might sound harsh but it's the simple truth. Artists may create for their fans, but they are not, in any sense, completely beholden to them and they have control over their own work and may preserve or destroy it (in terms of their own web domains and the like) completely at their own leisure.

Pokehidden most likely does not think that erasing his perceived failures from his online accounts, as well as changing his artist name, will "magically solve everything", but doing so will (if I'm interpreting his statements correctly) allow him to disconnect from the feelings of self-loathing he felt over his own work that did not match his standards that he set for himself, let it become a thing of the past, and then use that sense of relief to clear his mind of negativity and focus more on self-improvement and attempting to truly live up to his own creative standards while being free from ties that kept him bound to his own failures and the fans thereof who will just demand more of it.

Not everyone can simply be satisfied to just "let it go", as you say, and still have the will to move onto a new phase when they can look around their own pages and see their failures all around them, especially when people are just going to demand them to continue failing because they like the results. Some people need severance; to cut off the dead weight that holds them back in one way or another. Pokehidden is obviously one of those people, and if you're really a fan of him as an artist, you would let him do what he feels he needs to do and simply follow him along the new path they have chosen. If you're so attached to his older work then other sites like this one have it. It's not like it's all gone just because he's getting rid of his own accounts. There's just not going to be any more of it and whether ya like it or not, people are just gonna have to get used to it.

End of story.

Slowdive92 said:
Would you willingly leave every single thing that you yourself created and have subsequently deemed a failure in public display and leave yourself open to the most-likely constant requests and demands of those who might enjoy the work that you yourself perceive as a failure, especially when that past work fills you with self-loathing and casts the shadow of doubt over all that you seek to do in the future?

There's this thing called 'changing your contact details'. It's both easier and less destructive than deleting everything, and does not have the undesirable affect of DRAWING ATTENTION that deleting everything does. Seriously, if you don't want to be bothered, don't do dramatic stuff.

savageorange said:
There's this thing called 'changing your contact details'. It's both easier and less destructive than deleting everything, and does not have the undesirable affect of DRAWING ATTENTION that deleting everything does. Seriously, if you don't want to be bothered, don't do dramatic stuff.

Rather hypocritical to imply that someone is being over-dramatic when you and a few others in this thread are basically, for lack of a better description, just complaining about something you cannot change, ain't it? No offense meant.

It really seems like you've ignored the entire component of my earlier comment in which I outline how Pokehidden clearly does not see this as a "destructive" act despite fans viewing it as such (which, I must reiterate, does not matter at all in the grand scheme of this whole ordeal); This is him distancing himself entirely from his own failures in any way he thinks he can. How people go about doing that is subjective and he has simply chosen a method of doing so that you and some others would not.

The "drawing attention" thing is essentially you taking his advanced warning to his fanbase that his current project as Pokehidden and way of doing things is going to cease and twisting it to mean something that he clearly did not intend if you would only look at his own words objectively rather than being saltier than the Great Salt Lake about it. It was a warning and a goodbye. He could've been a lot more flamboyant about it if he just wanted to draw attention to it. I have seen examples of genuinely over-dramatic exits from artistic careers numerous times and this is hardly one of them.

Also there's this glaringly obvious fact that HIS ART'S STILL UP ON OUR VERY OWN E621, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN [raucous applause from studio audience] so you are literally losing NOTHING in this whole thing except for new art in his most known style in the future because he is going to stop making that art anyway and his own site or whatever is not the only place to see his work, so it's really, REALLY pointless to be complaining about and reprimanding him for deleting his older work on his profiles and all that. Just sayin'.

Slowdive92 said:
Rather hypocritical to imply that someone is being over-dramatic when you and a few others in this thread are basically, for lack of a better description, just complaining about something you cannot change, ain't it? No offense meant.

Uh, you're just wrong there (at least in my case). Probably because you don't seem to get what I'm meaning at all, since you clearly believe I'm talking about Pokehidden. My post rebutted a general point . I really don't have -anything- to say about Pokehidden specifically (aside from: AFAIK they don't fall into the category I'm commenting on). I don't even think I've ever even been inconvenienced by an artist taking down all their stuff. I just think self-sabotage is something they should probably try to avoid.

It really seems like you've ignored the entire component of my earlier comment in which I outline how Pokehidden clearly does not see this as a "destructive" act despite fans viewing it as such

I can understand why you'd think that. However, I did read that, and I thought you made a decent case.

Just to add that I myself am not one of his biggest fan at all, I just like some of his pictures I happened to find over time, but for the most part I only know him by name, and that's it. I'm not crying over the loss of this artist because I never was involved deeply into him compared to let say, Ole or Pienji.

I'm not telling all of this because I want to scoop up all of his pictures, I'm saying that nuking everything you have done in the past because you now think it's bad and trashy is stupid and won't make you a better person with a clearer mind for the future, they still will be known to his mind no matter what he does.

I have no problem for him to start fresh under a new name, even if I do find that annoying nonetheless, but destroying your past just like that because you suddenly had a raise of your artistic standards is just very dumb and a big indirect "Fuck You" to his fans that loved what he was doing.

I know a good friend of mine who was drawing very often before, but got tired of going public over time. He simply quietly left the scene and his galleries are still open to the public

I myself have made some pretty bad pictures at the start of my "artistic" journey, and I find them terrible now. I'm still not a superb artist by any means but I did improve quite a lot over time, and I'm not here thinking about asking e621 to remove them because I find them ugly now, because that would simply be completely stupid.

As savageorange said, I am not mourning the loss of Pokehidden, I just am very, very tired to see artists in general ragequit like that simply because they want to start fresh or for some other silly reason

Slowdive92 said:
Would you willingly leave every single thing that you yourself created and have subsequently deemed a failure in public display and leave yourself open to the most-likely constant requests and demands of those who might enjoy the work that you yourself perceive as a failure, especially when that past work fills you with self-loathing and casts the shadow of doubt over all that you seek to do in the future? I don't think so.

Actually, yes. I have artwork on all of my galleries that I absolutely loathe. The drawings remind me of a period of four years that I suffered heartbreak on a daily basis, of my failure, and of my stupidity and naivety.
The reason I don't remove my stuff and forever delete it is because of several reasons.
It gives me something to reflect on, that I managed to move on with my life.
It shows my skill at that point in time, allowing me to get better and avoid flaws I may not like.
It is artwork, pure and simple. Removing it means others are no longer free to enjoy it. Which is a waste.

I wonder what happened to the artwork that was commissioned, but the commission holders never posted elsewhere...did it also go up in flame when he nuked his inkbunny and furaffinity?
To be perfectly honest with this, if he comes back...even under a new name I probably won't be commissioning him for fear that if I ever loose my copy of a commission it will get toasted with everything else should he find his works no longer tolerable again.

Neitsuke said:
But pretending that nothing happened in the past and act like you're brand new to the world won't help either. Why simply not just "let it go" and improve from there, so in the future when you will be very happy by how you improved with your art, you could look back at what you were doing before and see by how far and better you got over time ?

Giving the blind eye to your past and nuking every traces of it won't solve everything by magic. It's just going to give a nasty aftertaste to people who were looking forward to you

i agree. why does he have to ruin it for his FANS? you can't improve if you don't fail. and how is he gonna get BETTER, if he doesn't know, or can look at what he DIDN'T like? it's okay to take a break or even QUIT. but why destroy everything??? i can't help but think that it's partly because he's angry/sad/something because he got his account banned from a site i can't remember, on the spot, as he was pretty steamed about it, which is understandable. i understand that if he doesn't like what he does, that he stops. OF COURSE i understand! i would and DO that as well. but i don't go all "if I can't enjoy it, NO ONE WILL!!!" and destroy everything! understandable, but badly executed, is what i would classify his actions as.

so most of the brony stuff is commissioned?

can't say I blame him

If that's his reason then i respect it, at least he gave a reason, something i appreciate.

Mu10 said:
If that's his reason then i respect it, at least he gave a reason, something i appreciate.

pro tip: look at the time stamps on forum posts

Mutisija said:
pro tip: look at the time stamps on forum posts

Not sure why, but it amuses me to see a necro once in awhile.

Not in the sense of being fun, it's just interesting to see someone completely ignore when the last post was made. You know a lot of things could happen in a year, the people up there could have left the site among other stuff.

It's also interesting to see how people find these buried threads.

Just_Another_Dragon said:
Not sure why, but it amuses me to see a necro once in awhile.

Not in the sense of being fun, it's just interesting to see someone completely ignore when the last post was made. You know a lot of things could happen in a year, the people up there could have left the site among other stuff.

It's also interesting to see how people find these buried threads.

There also appeared a guy called "Pokefound" with the same artstyle since this thread started XD

I love how the link OP provided a year ago now somehow redirects to some random streamer.

Necros are fun!

AnotherDay said:
I love how the link OP provided a year ago now somehow redirects to some random streamer.

Necros are fun!

that's strange. i would've expected it to lead to a "this domain has expired" page or a random website (possibly in a foreign language)...not a twitch stream. o_O

Oddly enough..I found this
(With said streamer’s name in the url)
https://arkentosh.com/pokehidden.com/index.html