Usually sex implies action by another, but if one character is just sitting still while being ridden by another, technically it's just masturbation, right?

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its sex.

Yeah, sex. Two participants, and sex doesn't require that both partners enjoy it.

Is the vore tag accurate for that, though? In no expert in that group, but living_dildo makes no mention of that and it feels like temporary insertions wouldn't count as vore. Doesn't match the anal_vore wiki either.

Genjar said:
Yeah, sex. Two participants, and sex doesn't require that both partners enjoy it.

Is the vore tag accurate for that, though? In no expert in that group, but living_dildo makes no mention of that and it feels like temporary insertions wouldn't count as vore. Doesn't match the anal_vore wiki either.

This isn't about enjoying, it's about active participation. if one character rides another's dick, sure that's sex, but are we going to directly compare a dick and someone's entire body?

FurryMcFuzzball said:
This isn't about enjoying, it's about active participation.

What does active participation have to do with it? For instance, having sex with something who's asleep is still sex.

I see why you would say sex, however the wiki for living_dildo states:

In some cases, this may come about in a micro_on_macro situation when a macro character uses a regular-sized or micro character, or a regular-sized character uses a micro as a toy for masturbation.

Because of this I would say that its mastubation.

SharkFetish said:
I see why you would say sex, however the wiki for living_dildo states:

In some cases, this may come about in a micro_on_macro situation when a macro character uses a regular-sized or micro character, or a regular-sized character uses a micro as a toy for masturbation.

Because of this I would say that its masturbation.

"For Masturbation" doesn't mean it is masturbation. Totally still sex. And totally not at all vore.

Genjar said:
Yeah, sex. Two participants, and sex doesn't require that both partners enjoy it.

Is the vore tag accurate for that, though? In no expert in that group, but living_dildo makes no mention of that and it feels like temporary insertions wouldn't count as vore. Doesn't match the anal_vore wiki either.

The anal_vore and unbirthing tags are a bit of a mess because of that. Admittedly it can be hard to tell in some images if it's intended to be temporary or permanent, but in cases where it IS the vore tags really shouldn't apply.

Furrin_Gok said:
"For Masturbation" doesn't mean it is masturbation. Totally still sex. And totally not at all vore.

You lost me here. If something is being used for masturbation then why isn’t it masturbation? I totally agree that its not vore though.

SharkFetish said:
You lost me here. If something is being used for masturbation then why isn’t it masturbation? I totally agree that its not vore though.

If you use a sleeping person's dick for masturbation, is it magically not sex? No, it's still sex. "For masturbation" refers to only the one person being active, not it actually being masturbation.

SharkFetish said:
You lost me here. If something is being used for masturbation then why isn’t it masturbation? I totally agree that its not vore though.

Y'know I was gonna make arguments about, like, someone rubbing against their partner, or using parts of their partner (like breasts, or fingers) to stimulate themselves, it's still a sexual act.... but I'm not sure where the line between sex and not sex is exactly.

on the other hand... is fisting a sex act? because living_dildo is fisting cranked up to 11, basically :P

...I dunno.

Ultimatly though... can't it be both?

Furrin_Gok said:
And totally not at all vore.

Genjar said:
In no expert in that group, but living_dildo makes no mention of that and it feels like temporary insertions wouldn't count as vore.

Why not? As the wiki explains it, vore is simply "the insertion of one character into another". Shouldn't the intended permanence or completion be irrelevant? If a person's going into a butt, it seems like anal_vore to me.

SnowWolf said:
Ultimately though... can't it be both?

This makes the most sense to me. The wiki is very generous with its definition of sex, and here the living_dildo is technically performing both penetration and oral sex. Two characters are involved in a sexual interaction, and one of them is sexually stimulating themselves.

anonymousanalogue said:
Why not? As the wiki explains it, vore is simply "the insertion of one character into another". Shouldn't the intended permanence or completion be irrelevant? If a person's going into a butt, it seems like anal_vore to me.

It fits the base vore definition, but such a broad definition makes things difficult or even impossible to blacklist/search. Using someone as a temporary sex toy, unbirthing, and eating someone alive are all completely different kinks, yet they're all under the same tag.

Anal_vore wiki defines it as 'consuming another character though the anus', which to me seems like a better guideline for 'vore' than just 'insertion'. I can't see posts such as post #47967 or post #327557 as vore, even if they're tagged as such.

anonymousanalogue said:
Why not? As the wiki explains it, vore is simply "the insertion of one character into another". Shouldn't the intended permanence or completion be irrelevant? If a person's going into a butt, it seems like anal_vore to me.

It's just plain not what people looking for anal vore (or unbirthing for that matter) are going to be looking for. Similarly people looking for 'living dildo' type images probably don't want straight-up anal vore. There's still going to be plenty of ambiguous images that still should get the tag, but at some point it's just not relevant anymore and makes browsing the tag for relevant images annoying.

regsmutt said:
It's just plain not what people looking for anal vore (or unbirthing for that matter) are going to be looking for. Similarly people looking for 'living dildo' type images probably don't want straight-up anal vore. There's still going to be plenty of ambiguous images that still should get the tag, but at some point it's just not relevant anymore and makes browsing the tag for relevant images annoying.

Late to the party, I say it's not 'sex' unless both people are using a sex organ, or an honorary sex organ like the butthole. Sticking your finger or tongue into someone isn't sex, so I can't see that your head or entire body would be either. So, I say it's not sex.

It's also a group activity, though, so it's probably not masturbation either. I say it's neither sex nor masturbation.

I shall continue to go on to say it's not 'vore'. The term 'vore' has become as stretched as the characters depicted in it, but really should only apply to someone swallowing someone else regardless of size. In this day and age, though, I accept that 'vore' refers to putting a normal-sized creature into your body via your choice of orofice.

Where the 'living dildo' comes into conflict with vore is that the one party is generally NOT going to be normal size. One will be giant, or one will be tiny. It's a whole different fetish and people looking for it may not be interested in vore.

The living_dildo tag is a good start, but it's a little broader than what you're after here. I'd be for the creation (or location) of a second tag to add to your search to help you find which of these two similar-but-different tags you're after.

I recommend 'enveloping' as a base tag to mean that one character is completely surrounded by another character's body - from there more specific tags would be enveloping_oral _enveloping_vaginal enveloping_anal enveloping_breasts enveloping_constriction enveloping_cloaca enveloping_fat and enveloping_ambiguous_genitalia, plus whatever other places you can stuff someone that I may have missed.

So, if Fuzzy here wants to see a female feline giantess sticking an innocent pedestrian up her mousehole, they could search for feline living_dildo enveloping_vaginal and get pretty close to the mark.

As a caveat to all this creation, I suppose a simpler answer would be to search for living_dildo size_difference which should get you decent results.

maybe an 'extreme_size_difference' tag could be created for giantess/shrinkydink play.

At any rate, I'm not going to be the one making any of this, so do what you will with my thoughts.

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Sparkmane said:
Late to the party, I say it's not 'sex' unless both people are using a sex organ, or an honorary sex organ like the butthole. Sticking your finger or tongue into someone isn't sex, so I can't see that your head or entire body would be either. So, I say it's not sex.

Hun... we call it oral sex for a reason.

Sex is--and is defined on the wiki as-- " any kind of sexual activity between two or more characters of any description. This generally includes all kinds of penetration"

I shall continue to go on to say it's not 'vore'. The term 'vore' has become as stretched as the characters depicted in it, but really should only apply to someone swallowing someone else regardless of size. In this day and age, though, I accept that 'vore' refers to putting a normal-sized creature into your body via your choice of orofice.

Well, if you'd be willing to go through about 15,000 vore posts to get then tidied up, we might consider adjusting those tags, but that is such a massive project.

That said, I think everyone here agrees that this is not exactly vore... however, vore *is* a lot more than "open mouth, insert furry"

post #360543 <-- there is little way to understand this that is not "The penis is devouring female Link"
post #300899 <-- Here, the penis swallows, and the testicle seems to be digesting.
post #1543550 <--here, the butthole is obviously pulling in the unwilling pony. The Prey-pony is clearly angry and distressed, while the predatory pony seems to be very much in control.
post #1392544 <--This would unarguably be vore, if not for the fact that it's a breast, not a mouth, that is swallowing the distressed canine.

Once upon a time, we had two tags: Pussy_vore and unbirthing. While some were very clearly one or the other..there were a lot more that were ambiguous. Which is why they were united under one tag.

Sex = penetration, done.

Fisting but with head (just a bit longer), tag it like that.

Sparkmane said:
Where the 'living dildo' comes into conflict with vore is that the one party is generally NOT going to be normal size. One will be giant, or one will be tiny. It's a whole different fetish and people looking for it may not be interested in vore.

These people should blacklist vore -living_dildo and move on, because those searching for vore _{(myself included)} might also be want to see it, and we're not re-tagging 15k posts just because you might like some of em. Your suggestion that macro_on_micro AV doesn't "count" is completely arbitrary.

For you, I suggest the following, which removes all non-penetrating varieties of vore except when living_dildo, micro, or macro is tagged:

vore -anal_vore -unbirthing
post_vore
vore internal
unbirthing -living_dildo -micro -macro
anal_vore -living_dildo -micro -macro

It seems like your suggestion is to replace the word "vore" with "enveloping" (a synonym of "consuming") primarily to distance yourself from those other weirdos with the swallowing fetish. As the *_vore tags are used today, they'd mean the exact same thing.

SnowWolf said:
(thumb 1392544) <--This would unarguably be vore, if not for the fact that it's a breast, not a mouth, that is swallowing the distressed canine.

Let me tell you, breast_vore is gonna change your life.

anonymousanalogue said:
These people should blacklist vore -living_dildo and move on, because those searching for vore _{(myself included)} might also be want to see it, and we're not re-tagging 15k posts just because you might like some of em. Your suggestion that macro_on_micro AV doesn't "count" is completely arbitrary.

Doesn't help when an image contains both real vore and not-at-all-vore. Just don't tag not-at-all-vore as vore, that will solve the problem. After all, it's not vore at all!
I would not be opposed to having a sort of tag for a character's body going into another one as a broader tag, some folk would dislike it either way, while those like yourself would enjoy it either way, so a combo tag would help.

Sparkmane said:
Late to the party, I say it's not 'sex' unless both people are using a sex organ, or an honorary sex organ like the butthole. Sticking your finger or tongue into someone isn't sex, so I can't see that your head or entire body would be either. So, I say it's not sex.

Fingering and rimming are definitely considered sex. Both in real life, and here. And it's not even limited to penetration, which is why tags such as ball_lick and frottage are implicated to sex.

Personally, I'd even go as as far as to include some things that don't involve touching. Such as voyeur/exhibitionist pairs.

Furrin_Gok said:
Doesn't help when an image contains both real vore and not-at-all-vore. Just don't tag not-at-all-vore as vore, that will solve the problem.

I concur. Vore is one of the most commonly blacklisted tags, so cramming everything into it is not a good idea. Combos such as vore -living_dildo are not reliable enough, because the posts can contain multiple types of 'vore'.

SnowWolf said:
Well, if you'd be willing to go through about 15,000 vore posts to get then tidied up, we might consider adjusting those tags, but that is such a massive project.

Yeah, that's a problem.
Would be hard to find anyone willing to do it, since users who want to have it sorted out are generally the ones who have vore blacklisted.

Furrin_Gok said:
not-at-all-vore

I'm very confused by what your metric of what is and isn't vore. Does the prey need to go all the way inside? Does it need to end in digestion? The animation in the op depicts a living creature being unwillingly forced head-first into another creature's butt, which to me sounds it fits the bill perfectly. Is the butt "consuming" them? Debatable, but not open-and-shut, and far from "totally not."

We're not tagging images for vore, the wide and multi-faceted swallowing fetish. We're tagging them for vore the activity, which the wiki defines precisely as a character's body going into another's. micro_insertion, a slightly less specific version of how living_dildo is used now, was aliased to vore two years ago. Gatekeeping a very ambiguous tag and arbitrarily untagging images based on your idea of what is and isn't someone's fetish is definitely not the solution.

Genjar said:
I concur. Vore is one of the most commonly blacklisted tags, so cramming everything into it is not a good idea. Combos such as vore -living_dildo are not reliable enough, because the posts can contain multiple types of 'vore'.

A minor adjustment.

vore -anal_vore -unbirthing
post_vore
vore internal
unbirthing -living_dildo -micro -macro
anal_vore -living_dildo -micro -macro
oral_vore
cock_vore
vore -duo
multiple_prey
...

Additional lines on the bottom will explicitly remove any images containing any unwanted varieties of vore, regardless of whether they meet the previously established criteria.
Again, the changes proposed in this thread seem to just be a desire to remove the vore tag from any images that "normal people" might enjoy. It's not a tagging issue that you blacklisted 15,000 images before deciding if any of them might be good.

Personally, I would suggest that the average red-blooded user (who still wants to see tiny people get shoved into vaginas) to use the following blacklist rules:
oral_vore will remove any images of fetishistic swallowing, the thing that most people really want to get rid of when they blacklist vore.
vore -anal_vore -unbirthing will remove any improperly tagged oral_vore image, as well as any other varieties that deviate from the most common orifices.
cock_vore, tail_vore and breast_vore will then place a global blacklist against the most common variants. This deals with images that contain multiple kinds of vore that would otherwise escape the previous rule.
anal_vore -micro -macro and unbirthing -micro -macro will remove any image of "same-size" vore.
vore internal and vore abdominal_bulge will remove any cutaway shots of prey, and any vore-related belly bulges.

And bam, you've got a site completely cleansed of those weirdo belly perverts, and you may now enjoy your sentient lilliputan sex-toys in peace.

anonymousanalogue said:
A minor adjustment.

vore -anal_vore -unbirthing
post_vore
vore internal
unbirthing -living_dildo -micro -macro
anal_vore -living_dildo -micro -macro
oral_vore
cock_vore
vore -duo
multiple_prey
...

Additional lines on the bottom will explicitly remove any images containing any unwanted varieties of vore, regardless of whether they meet the previously established criteria.
Again, the changes proposed in this thread seem to just be a desire to remove the vore tag from any images that "normal people" might enjoy. It's not a tagging issue that you blacklisted 15,000 images before deciding if any of them might be good.

Personally, I would suggest that the average red-blooded user (who still wants to see tiny people get shoved into vaginas) to use the following blacklist rules:
oral_vore will remove any images of fetishistic swallowing, the thing that most people really want to get rid of when they blacklist vore.
vore -anal_vore -unbirthing will remove any improperly tagged oral_vore image, as well as any other varieties that deviate from the most common orifices.
cock_vore, tail_vore and breast_vore will then place a global blacklist against the most common variants. This deals with images that contain multiple kinds of vore that would otherwise escape the previous rule.
anal_vore -micro -macro and unbirthing -micro -macro will remove any image of "same-size" vore.
vore internal and vore abdominal_bulge will remove any cutaway shots of prey, and any vore-related belly bulges.

And bam, you've got a site completely cleansed of those weirdo belly perverts, and you may now enjoy your sentient lilliputan sex-toys in peace.

Way too many lines to be blacklisting. No.

anonymousanalogue said:
A minor adjustment.

vore -anal_vore -unbirthing
post_vore
vore internal
unbirthing -living_dildo -micro -macro
anal_vore -living_dildo -micro -macro
oral_vore
cock_vore
vore -duo
multiple_prey
...

Additional lines on the bottom will explicitly remove any images containing any unwanted varieties of vore, regardless of whether they meet the previously established criteria.

Roughly half of all vore posts are missing subtags, so relying on those doesn't work in practice. From what I've seen, most taggers equate oral vore with vore, and never use the oral_vore tag.

Furrin_Gok said:
Way too many lines to be blacklisting. No.

Ten lines (172/3000 characters) is too many? Certainly not for the valiant crusader who'd rather re-evaluate the tags on fifteen thousand images based on his own blatant disregard for the agreed upon guidelines provided by the Wiki!

In all seriousness though, I must repeat that un-tagging posts just because you'd like them to get through your blacklist is the very definition of malicious. If you'll pardon the analogy, that's the equivalent of complaining about the sex tag because
blacklisting it makes it harder to find images of urethral_fisting.

Genjar said:
Roughly half of all vore posts are missing subtags, so relying on those doesn't work in practice. From what I've seen, most taggers equate oral vore with vore, and never use the oral_vore tag.

multiple_prey and vore -duo are included as a fail-safe for that issue. An image generally won't contain multiple kinds of vore (mind you that isn't an issue on even a single example of living_dildo) if there's only one prey. My suggested blacklist will help users who don't like this (post #1073206) but still like this (post #43938). It doesn't account for every edge-case, but that's not the point.

Want a mountainous tagging project that doesn't blatantly contradict the tag wiki? Pop over to vore -oral_vore -anal_vore -unbirth -cock_vore -post_vore and get to work.

anonymousanalogue said:
Want a mountainous tagging project that doesn't blatantly contradict the tag wiki?

No thanks, got no time for extra work. I already have nearly hundred mountainous tagging projects, and most of them just keep growing while I'm trying to keep up with the constant flood of daily new mistags.

anonymousanalogue said:

Let me tell you, breast_vore is gonna change your life.

LEet me rephrase, lol.. If the character were in a mouth and not a boob, no one would question if it was vore.

Genjar said:
(regarding going through 'vore')
Yeah, that's a problem.
Would be hard to find anyone willing to do it, since users who want to have it sorted out are generally the ones who have vore blacklisted.

Yep. I mean, I did that once, 7 years ago. I'm still not sure if I've recovered. and the tag was a lot smaller back then.

Unbirthing is sex, IMHO. My art (which isn't good enough to be on here) depicts tiny or micro males who enjoy being unbirthed into the vaginas of large females.