It seems it has to do with the iOS takedown that Tumblr received.

As 9to5 Mac noted, the issue may have something to do with inappropriate content that violated Apple’s guidelines, which has led Apple to pull apps before. The Verge pointed to a Twitter thread that appeared to indicate inappropriate content was at the heart of the issue.

Per Apple’s App Store Review Guidelines, objectionable content includes content that’s “offensive, insensitive, upsetting, intended to disgust, or in exceptionally poor taste.” It’s worth noting that “objectionable content,” however, could be interpreted to mean any number of things.

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There's also lots of people and artists complaining at Twitter if you search for 'Tumblr NSFW'

Grab your favorite artists' posts and links to other sites while you still can.

they are not going to to get rid of nsfw blogs. they are trying to get rid of the porn bots that are not correctly marked as nsfw blogs and have been flooding tags and notes with porn. unfortunately their algorithms are shit and will have lots of false positives.

From what a couple of artists have said, it's apparently a massive glitch with the app that was supposed to combat ad bots, but is taking down a lot of popular porn blogs as well.

Tumblr will also restore wrongly deleted blogs apparently, as several people have sent in tickets explaining what happened and have had their blogs restored. I don't have one in front of me but there are a few posts about it alerting others that this is an option.

Sadly it seems some artists are getting told that there’s nothing to be done for them and that their removals won’t be reversed, even though the artists are not bots but furry/nsfw artists. One was a SFW artist but furry and was told off cuz of their “objectionable content”, not a peep of nudity or such artwork. I wonder how many others are getting nailed to a cross cuz of this...

Geez, this sucks so bad, i guess all we can do is warn our favorite artists to save their stuff just in case their only source is tumblr, or we can archive their pages in wayback machine.

FurLurker said:
Geez, this sucks so bad, i guess all we can do is warn our favorite artists to save their stuff just in case their only source is tumblr, or we can archive their pages in wayback machine.

The wayback machine doesn't work on nsfw blogs. Whenever I try, it gives me the safe-mode screen and nothing else.

What's going on here? Do Tumblr really remove the entire NSFW blogs?

Even though I've seen some NSFW blogs that hasn't been deleted yet.

This is why the app got tossed from the various app places.

As for the nsfw blogs getting deleted, it seems to have been a bug. (Read the last addition to that post specifically.)

And if you did/do get bapped by the tumblr delete button, read this.

cerberusmod_3 said:
What's going on here? Do Tumblr really remove the entire NSFW blogs?

Even though I've seen some NSFW blogs that hasn't been deleted yet.

they did not. again, the blog deletions have been completely unintentional and people are just jumping into conclusions. i have several blogs that are flagged as nsfw and my account is just fine. if they actually wanted to get rid of all nsfw content, you would think that blogs flagged as nsfw blogs all would get deleted. also its not just nsfw blogs they are deleting. several of my friends have had their perfectly worksafe blogs deleted.

siikaprinssi said:
they did not. again, the blog deletions have been completely unintentional and people are just jumping into conclusions. i have several blogs that are flagged as nsfw and my account is just fine. if they actually wanted to get rid of all nsfw content, you would think that blogs flagged as nsfw blogs all would get deleted. also its not just nsfw blogs they are deleting. several of my friends have had their perfectly worksafe blogs deleted.

Then why are many people are massively upset about it? Is this like some sort of propaganda?

cerberusmod_3 said:
Then why are many people are massively upset about it? Is this like some sort of propaganda?

people are upset because their blogs are getting deleted

cerberusmod_3 said:
Then why are many people are massively upset about it? Is this like some sort of propaganda?

Because their blogs were deleted.

This is an upsetting thing, even if it is a mistake.

The fact that it was a mistake was not immediately known.

Dogenzaka said:
The wayback machine doesn't work on nsfw blogs. Whenever I try, it gives me the safe-mode screen and nothing else.

Oh? is that so? i remember doing it to a nsfw blog and it didn't give me the safe-mode, maybe it wasn't even tagged as such.

Also i read that Tumblr got a child porn bot problem and Apple got mad at Tumblr, and thats why they went on a NSFW deleting spree (they also delete SFW accounts that are linked to them).

FurLurker said:
Oh? is that so? i remember doing it to a nsfw blog and it didn't give me the safe-mode, maybe it wasn't even tagged as such.

tumblr automatically hides blogs flagged as nsfw from all search engines and such. so chances are that it wasnt flagged as nsfw blog. a lot of artists intentionally leave their blogs unflagged for this specific reason. it takes a lot of your traffic and exposure away if your blog wont show in any search results inside or outside of tumblr.

Even the turning off safe search icon is gone now

update to this, tumblr has made it so that even internal links to tumblr pages disables them from being shown in search apparently. They had already did the same to outbound links but now...lol.

For those going 'Okay that doesn't sound like a big deal" ... that means you can't go "If you'd like to see more of my art, click here to go to my deviant art" or "Support me on patreon" or anything like that.

These are... really bad choices D:

Like... if someone wanted to compete with tumblr, now's your time.

SnowWolf said:
Like... if someone wanted to compete with tumblr, now's your time.

Not sure if you ever heard of writscrib but during its development time I was part of the discord moderation team . It was intended to be a safe haven with actual moderation and strict anti bullying with built in virtual currency reflecting real money to tip and commission folks.

Unfortunately, they lost a large part of their initial funding because their first attempt at outsourcing the virtual currency plugin resulted in a shoddy product. As a result and with waning interest and lack of funding during the 2nd indiegogo run, the site was forced to shut down. It was sad because it had a really fun environment and a good community compared to most tumblr circles.

But yeah initially people would link to outbound links by linking to a page on their tumblr as a redirection page, but as I said, inbound links are being cucked to heck.

However, one workaround apparently is to post the initial thing without any links, then reblog it with said links.

As of right now, Tumblr shadowbanned every blog that has a link or a "explicit blog" warning. Also, any tag linked to NSFW (like "nsfw" itself, "cum", "creampie", etc) won't show up in searches or tag searches.

Even trying to recover your deleted blog seems like a wasted effort, since only your previous followers will receive your messages. Any potential new followers you could have by the tag/search system are now gone.

My opinion is that the Staff are using the recent outcry to finally ban all NSFW accounts, while using the "it's just a weird glitch" as an excuse. At this point I highly doubt that they'll even address this, and, if they do, they'll say that they were just dealing with bots and CP, disregarding all the NSFW artists.

Seems like Tumblr is trying everything to get their stupid iOS app restored. I just don't understand why it has to effect the main site? I mean if they don't want NSFW on the app then just restrict it on the app specifically. I don't understand why the main site search was effected by this.

NSFW posts don't show up in the search anymore...so if you search "princess peach" you won't see a single nude of Peach. You can't search for NSFW specifically...searching "princess peach nsfw" gets you nothing. And finally you can't even use a Tumblr blog's internal search to find NSFW posts on a specific blog! Basically anything to do with NSFW is unsearchable...only way to find it is to go to a NSFW artist's blog and scroll through to find the NSFW posts manually...meaning there is NO FUCKING WAY to get exposure as a new NSFW artist through Tumblr itself. your days of discovering new NSFW artists through this platform are DONE unless they reverse this.

Fucking Tumblr. They better reverse this shit and quick...make your app into a perfectly kid-friendly bubble-wrapped helmet-wearing sterile experience...I don't fucking care...but there's no reason to censor the main site like this. No reason at all.

NSFW being taken out of tag searches has happened before, a while back, when several NSFW blogs were purged for some reason I'm pretty sure never got explained.

It was later fixed. I hope they fix this shit again, otherwise it's pointless to be there for NSFW creators and consumers.

I can't even search on my own blog anymore. I can click on tags on my posts to find stuff, but searching pulls up nothing. Shit's fucked.

What portion of Tumblr's blogs are NSFW?

Oh great. Another pointless complaint about tumblr shooting themselves in the foot.

This explains why being popular sucks.

Dogenzaka said:
I can't even search on my own blog anymore. I can click on tags on my posts to find stuff, but searching pulls up nothing. Shit's fucked.

Yeah, they pulled a global forced Safe Search, rather than only forcing it on the Apple app.

Furrin_Gok said:
Yeah, they pulled a global forced Safe Search, rather than only forcing it on the Apple app.

I'd understand if it was just the sitewide search, but not getting results while searching inside my own blog seems like complete incompetence.

Dogenzaka said:
I'd understand if it was just the sitewide search, but not getting results while searching inside my own blog seems like complete incompetence.

This is actually a "feature" that's been on Tumblr a long time. It looks like they locked it in for everyone now instead of letting you choose to have it, though.

If you go in your settings you should see "Hide (blog) From Search Results". This always had the weird side effect of making searching blogs impossible. I had mine turned on to hide it from Google indexing, but yeah it makes it impossible to use blog search.

Now it looks like all explicit blogs have this setting locked, or at least this is what I've noticed personally. Seems like there is no longer an option for anyone doing NSFW things.

wolftacos said:
This is actually a "feature" that's been on Tumblr a long time. It looks like they locked it in for everyone now instead of letting you choose to have it, though.

If you go in your settings you should see "Hide (blog) From Search Results". This always had the weird side effect of making searching blogs impossible. I had mine turned on to hide it from Google indexing, but yeah it makes it impossible to use blog search.

Now it looks like all explicit blogs have this setting locked, or at least this is what I've noticed personally. Seems like there is no longer an option for anyone doing NSFW things.

Well, they have no choice but migrate to Newgrounds.

wolftacos said:
This is actually a "feature" that's been on Tumblr a long time. It looks like they locked it in for everyone now instead of letting you choose to have it, though.

If you go in your settings you should see "Hide (blog) From Search Results". This always had the weird side effect of making searching blogs impossible. I had mine turned on to hide it from Google indexing, but yeah it makes it impossible to use blog search.

Now it looks like all explicit blogs have this setting locked, or at least this is what I've noticed personally. Seems like there is no longer an option for anyone doing NSFW things.

I wasn't talking about searching for blogs, I mean searching within my own blog for things i've reblogged or posted. posts show up if I click a tag, but the search function is just busted when it comes to searching for my posts.

Dogenzaka said:
I wasn't talking about searching for blogs, I mean searching within my own blog for things i've reblogged or posted. posts show up if I click a tag, but the search function is just busted when it comes to searching for my posts.

That is what I was referring to. Before this setting was locked into place, I'd have to disable it to search my blog for anything. Once enabled, I can't use my blog's search bar. I just have to manually write tags in the URL bar and hope to god I have it tagged.

wolftacos said:
That is what I was referring to. Before this setting was locked into place, I'd have to disable it to search my blog for anything. Once enabled, I can't use my blog's search bar. I just have to manually write tags in the URL bar and hope to god I have it tagged.

Oh, that's weird. I'm pretty sure I hid my blog from search results a few years back and never had problems with searching up until now. Maybe the whole feature was just glitchy.

Yeah it was really weird once I figured it out! I thought the blog search feature was just broken but I tried it on my SFW sideblog and it worked like a charm. Finally disabled that feature just to see what would happen and after about 30 seconds (refresh time maybe?) my NSFW blog was searchable. I turned it off again just to keep it out of Google indexing.

Tumblr will most likely unlock it after this whole thing blows over. I do need to turn it off every now and then to search my own blog so having it locked is a bit annoying.

Anyone notice too that the padlock to be able to see nsfw images is now gone when searching and seems you can't mark your account as nsfw anymore?

Axelthefox said:
and seems you can't mark your account as nsfw anymore?

the nsfw flagging is right where it belongs and i have no trouble with switching it on and off.

also there has never been option to flag whole account as nsfw. you flag individual blogs as nsfw.

Axelthefox said:
Anyone notice too that the padlock to be able to see nsfw images is now gone

Ummm...no? I still can't see any NSFW when I search >.>

Dyrone said:
Ummm...no? I still can't see any NSFW when I search >.>

That is what i meant. Even tags that are nsfw seem to be not working on there now.

Axelthefox said:
That is what i meant. Even tags that are nsfw seem to be not working on there now.

that was already brought up in this thread

Seeing some new information, this time with a direct quote from tumblr on the matter

Tumblr
We’re committed to helping build a safe online environment for all users, and we have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to media featuring child sexual exploitation and abuse. As this is an industry-wide problem, we work collaboratively with our industry peers and partners like NCMEC to actively monitor content uploaded to the platform. Every image uploaded to Tumblr is scanned against an industry database of known child sexual abuse material, and images that are detected never reach the platform. A routine audit discovered content on our platform that had not yet been included in the industry database. We immediately removed this content. Content safeguards are a challenging aspect of operating scaled platforms. We’re continuously assessing further steps we can take to improve and there is no higher priority for our team.

Soo... reading between the lines. They have a "this is bad shit" database, and normally get rid of the bad shit, but then there was bad shit that wasn't in the database and everyone said ?????? and apple said "That's not okay."

and in the process of trying to purge The Bad shit, some false positives happened.

Considering we're talking about Real Porn of Real Children this is definitely a place where you would prefer false positives instead of missing content. ...false negatives? whatever.

They're not banning NSFW blogs,

interesting that the problem with child pornography has been there for years and tumblr was aware of it, but they didnt bother to do anything about this until now.

like i have seen numerous people talking about discovering enormous child porn rings in tumblr and talking about how they reported dozens of blogs that were blatantly advertising selling photos of their kids, offering to hook up strangers with their kids, posting photos and videos online and talking about all the things thay have been doing to 5 years olds. and yet, absolutely nothing happened.

no matter how much people reported it to staff, absolutely nothing was done about it. one blog i have been following for a while reported a massive pedophile ring to staff for months ago, and he didnt even get a reply to his report.

in fact tumblr ignoring this issue has been so huge and prominent thing that it became common to joke whenever tumblr pushed a new useless update about how they have time to do this but not ban the pedophiles.

but now that it actually bit tumblr in their ass and seriously hurt their reptuation, they are literally scrambling into action

In that case it sounds more like they've been taking the passive route and thinking their fingerprinting system was going to solve all their problems, and ignoring other solutions.

Easiest way to enforce public content is probably to make sure users can report things. But I guess it's too expensive as it requires real people handling the reports.

Sounds like we'll soon need to make a list of where tumblr artists will be moving their stuff if they don't fix NSFW search...

And since a lot of them are moving to twitter we'll be getting even bigger hit on image quality than when tumblr removed raw's.

siikaprinssi said:
interesting that the problem with child pornography has been there for years and tumblr was aware of it, but they didnt bother to do anything about this until now.
...
but now that it actually bit tumblr in their ass and seriously hurt their reptuation, they are literally scrambling into action

Yep. When they get bad press.

But Tumblr's a shit site and the only reason anyone is there is because there's not a good alternative. c_c

But, as I said, it's not them saying "we don't like porn. Porn over now plz."

God damn, I suppose a lot of art in abandoned tumblrs will be lost... like tears in rain...

On the bright side, maybe this will finally make artists migrate away from that awful platform. It's absurd how the biggest sites of the current internet have worse UX than average sites from a decade ago. To say nothing of their file reformatting bullshit.

Which reminds me: if any of you know an artist looking to migrate, I beg you to beg of them to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM TWITTER. For some ungodly reason, entirely too many artists have taken to using it as their gallery. Beside the awful UX and abysmal community, it's also just about the only site which fucks uploaded pictures up even worse than Tumblr.

OneMoreAnonymous said:
God damn, I suppose a lot of art in abandoned tumblrs will be lost... like tears in rain...

On the bright side, maybe this will finally make artists migrate away from that awful platform. It's absurd how the biggest sites of the current internet have worse UX than average sites from a decade ago. To say nothing of their file reformatting bullshit.

Which reminds me: if any of you know an artist looking to migrate, I beg you to beg of them to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM TWITTER. For some ungodly reason, entirely too many artists have taken to using it as their gallery. Beside the awful UX and abysmal community, it's also just about the only site which fucks uploaded pictures up even worse than Tumblr.

If you've got site suggestions, I'm listening and will tell other artists I know about them!

I have a Twitter I forget to use. It's mostly used as an extra link into the world thing and not as my main gallery. Man it's hard to use that system because of the inability to edit a tweet.

wolftacos said:
If you've got site suggestions, I'm listening and will tell other artists I know about them!

I know why people don't use InkBunny, but I'm still unaware of what stopped people from using Weasyl. I guess I don't hear enough about Weasyl to have a good grasp of its pros and cons outside of limited personal use finding stuff that didn't make it to here.

I take one look at FurryNetwork and run away screaming.

MagnusEffect said:
I know why people don't use InkBunny, but I'm still unaware of what stopped people from using Weasyl. I guess I don't hear enough about Weasyl to have a good grasp of its pros and cons outside of limited personal use finding stuff that didn't make it to here.

I take one look at FurryNetwork and run away screaming.

I tried getting my password back from Weasyl 3 times, none of those were successful. No reset email was sent to me. It's a shame, too, since I can't access my account to follow a known artist whom stopped using Tumblr a while ago.

I don't know if that's a card on the table, but it's at least why I'm not using it.

MagnusEffect said:
I know why people don't use InkBunny, but I'm still unaware of what stopped people from using Weasyl. I guess I don't hear enough about Weasyl to have a good grasp of its pros and cons outside of limited personal use finding stuff that didn't make it to here.

I take one look at FurryNetwork and run away screaming.

Oh I do have a Weasyl account! I should probably use that more.

The main reason I stopped using it was that the community was small, and I got pretty much no feedback on it. Especially compared to a site like FA.

Of course to make a community larger, people have to be more active, so I will definitely be messing around with that website some more :) Thanks for the reminder!

(I hate FNs layout... it's just... not intuitive. I would go back to InkBunny if they improved their tagging enforcement so that users didn't have to blacklist 25+ tags and disable Adult just to stop seeing cub).

Siral_Exan said:
I tried getting my password back from Weasyl 3 times, none of those were successful. No reset email was sent to me.

I had a similar problem with an FA account I eventually decided wasn't worth the trouble. I don't know enough about webdev to know why something like that would happen.

Oh god, I'm getting sick of this. Talking about image quality drop.

wolftacos said:
If you've got site suggestions, I'm listening and will tell other artists I know about them!

(shameless plug hat on, just this once I promise) There's this pretty cool network called Mastodon, which is a Twitter alternative. It's federated, which means that there are a bunch of servers, each of which can set their own moderation policies. I don't know if uploaded images are preserved with their original quality, but I'm pretty sure they are. Many of the earlier users of the network were furries, and there are currently a number of servers ("instances") that are furry-oriented. (Currently invite-only but high-quality: https://snouts.online & https://yiff.life.)

Never liked tumblr, it mixes different kinds of media and treats it the same, you get images, videos, texts, questions, answers, etc all jumbled into one big mess, basically it suffers from trying to be simple when it's not.

OneMoreAnonymous said:
Which reminds me: if any of you know an artist looking to migrate, I beg you to beg of them to STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM TWITTER. For some ungodly reason, entirely too many artists have taken to using it as their gallery. Beside the awful UX and abysmal community, it's also just about the only site which fucks uploaded pictures up even worse than Tumblr.

Finally someone says it, twitter is an awful artist gallery it's even worse than tumblr and that's saying something. Twitter is potentially great if you want exposure, get news out or just vent, but that's about it; it's for capturing fleeting moments.

wolftacos said:
Oh I do have a Weasyl account! I should probably use that more.

The main reason I stopped using it was that the community was small, and I got pretty much no feedback on it. Especially compared to a site like FA.

Of course to make a community larger, people have to be more active, so I will definitely be messing around with that website some more :) Thanks for the reminder!

(I hate FNs layout... it's just... not intuitive. I would go back to InkBunny if they improved their tagging enforcement so that users didn't have to blacklist 25+ tags and disable Adult just to stop seeing cub).

It feels like there's a bit of saturation of furry art galleries (and similar), so people will choose the biggest ones (or the ones allowing the content they create) and stick with that, possibly posting to others if they have time. Which generally means people use FA for general purpose. Though I get the feeling people often don't like FA for various reasons, so people tend to have an alternative, be it tumblr or whatever, there are tools out there that can post to multiple sites simultaneously which I guess helps out in that case.

FN never really made much sense to me, it felt too much web 2.0 social network than artist gallery, maybe it's gotten better but I only really visit it when linked to it. (Every time someone says FN I automatically think FurNation.)

Chessax said:
Never liked tumblr, it mixes different kinds of media and treats it the same, you get images, videos, texts, questions, answers, etc all jumbled into one big mess, basically it suffers from trying to be simple when it's not.

Finally someone says it, twitter is an awful artist gallery it's even worse than tumblr and that's saying something. Twitter is potentially great if you want exposure, get news out or just vent, but that's about it; it's for capturing fleeting moments.

It feels like there's a bit of saturation of furry art galleries (and similar), so people will choose the biggest ones (or the ones allowing the content they create) and stick with that, possibly posting to others if they have time. Which generally means people use FA for general purpose. Though I get the feeling people often don't like FA for various reasons, so people tend to have an alternative, be it tumblr or whatever, there are tools out there that can post to multiple sites simultaneously which I guess helps out in that case.

FN never really made much sense to me, it felt too much web 2.0 social network than artist gallery, maybe it's gotten better but I only really visit it when linked to it. (Every time someone says FN I automatically think FurNation.)

At least Twitter provided us with ":orig". Don't know why Twitter is not very good for posting art, though. So frustrating...

Still, this is the reason why popularity doesn't necessary mean a good thing, and it sucks to see people stupidly following something popular either just to get attention or due to being biased against something unpopular.

cerberusmod_3 said:
At least Twitter provided us with ":orig". Don't know why Twitter is not very good for posting art, though. So frustrating...

twitter force converts everything into super compressed jpg unless there is at least transparent pixel in it.

wolftacos said:
If you've got site suggestions, I'm listening and will tell other artists I know about them!

I've seen quite a few artists migrating to Newgrounds...

Asterion99 said:
I've seen quite a few artists migrating to Newgrounds...

for real? people still use that shithole???

siikaprinssi said:
for real? people still use that shithole???

Apparently.

siikaprinssi said:
for real? people still use that shithole???

At least they seem to host the content with original quality and doesn't need account to access content, so that's all fine in my book.

Mairo said:
At least they seem to host the content with original quality and doesn't need account to access content, so that's all fine in my book.

Huh... starting to feel pretty cold in hell, wonder if that's a coincidence.

Do we even have Newgrounds whitelisted on our direct upload list? Is it even possible to get a direct image from Newgrounds?

siikaprinssi said:
twitter force converts everything into super compressed jpg unless there is at least transparent pixel in it.

Yeah, thanks for that.

But there is still one question, why is the hate so exaggerated?

Siral_Exan said:
Do we even have Newgrounds whitelisted on our direct upload list? Is it even possible to get a direct image from Newgrounds?

Newgrounds is currently not on the whitelist, but it is possible to view the direct images over there like this one. _{(File's submission page.]}

I only thought Newgrounds hosted flash animations. To be fair I only visited it a few times many years ago.

And apparently they accept adult content? Wow how did I not know that.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Yeah, thanks for that.

But there is still one question, why is the hate so exaggerated?

Outside of the rampant Jpeggery

I dislike viewing art on feed-based platforms because any organised archival capacity is an afterthought, and it encourages forgetting about anything that isn't in the present. Though I mean, people are more than willing to do that here too, considering unless something involves a popular artist or character, post score and comments are all but set in stone by the time a post is 24 hours old.

My secondary reason for disliking Twitter as an arthost is that to view someone's work you usually have to scroll through both their general social media activity, and retweets of everyone else's artwork. It's like the worst parts of Tumblr as an arthost dialed up to 11.

MagnusEffect said:
Outside of the rampant Jpeggery

I dislike viewing art on feed-based platforms because any organised archival capacity is an afterthought, and it encourages forgetting about anything that isn't in the present. Though I mean, people are more than willing to do that here too, considering unless something involves a popular artist or character, post score and comments are all but set in stone by the time a post is 24 hours old.

My secondary reason for disliking Twitter as an arthost is that to view someone's work you usually have to scroll through both their general social media activity, and retweets of everyone else's artwork. It's like the worst parts of Tumblr as an arthost dialed up to 11.

Yeah, but I still don't understand why you guys are against JPEGs? I find it kind of funny for a reason.

Okay, to be fair, I dislike it, but I don't care.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Yeah, but I still don't understand why you guys are against JPEGs? I find it kind of funny for a reason.

i loathe jpg because it turns digital art into grainy garbage when you could have it like... not be grainy garbage

siikaprinssi said:
i loathe jpg because it turns digital art into grainy garbage when you could have it like... not be grainy garbage

Does it reduce file size, though? I heard that on some sources.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Does it reduce file size, though? I heard that on some sources.

Yes, but that's what it has to do to reduce file size.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Does it reduce file size, though? I heard that on some sources.

it does, but the reduction really doesnt matter that much anymore since pretty much all devices besides some obsolete garbage and devices not intended for web browsing can handle all png pics that have reasonable resolution.

also for me at least its far more important that the art remains good looking and legible than having the file size reduced.

MagnusEffect said:
Yes, but that's what it has to do to reduce file size.

Yeah, because Twitter is so huge that even it could not handle large files, right?

cerberusmod_3 said:
Does it reduce file size, though? I heard that on some sources.

Depends on the image, but it can go both ways, if the image is very simple and clean you can get really small PNGs even for large dimensions, on the other hand some JPEGs can be several times smaller even when quality is set to 100 (max). JPEG and PNG aren't replacements for the other, they are complimentary formats. Someone saying one is inherently better than the other doesn't know what they are talking about.

siikaprinssi said:
i loathe jpg because it turns digital art into grainy garbage when you could have it like... not be grainy garbage

To be fair the right one looked like someone put 50 in quality (0 in photoshop), that's for like thumbnails and stuff. If one takes 5 minutes to try out different quality settings you can get (very) good results with JPEGs, a quality of 90 can often be visually hard to tell apart from a 24 bit PNG but can easily be 10 times smaller, and at 100 quality it is virtually impossible to tell them apart and in most cases still getting files that are smaller. If you want to dig deeper then there's chroma subsampling that can possibly be disabled, it is often done automatically for higher quality settings if not possible to do manually, e.g. IIRC in Photoshop a quality setting above medium (~70 aka 30 in Photoshop) disables chroma subsampling.

Note that I'm not saying people shouldn't use PNG but it's not really that difficult to be smart about it. If there's one thing people should start doing even if they go "Nope I will never use JPEG again", is that they should be optimizing their images. It's literally as easy as drag and drop nowadays (if the software they're originally exporting with isn't smart enough to do it) and can reduce the file size several times without any loss of quality.

siikaprinssi said:
it does, but the reduction really doesnt matter that much anymore since pretty much all devices besides some obsolete garbage and devices not intended for web browsing can handle all png pics that have reasonable resolution.

also for me at least its far more important that the art remains good looking and legible than having the file size reduced.

Not everyone has a high end phone or a fast internet connection, besides it's been shown again and again that people hate loading times to the point of instead of actually viewing the image (or site) they will click away because it wasn't snappy enough. It's a valid point to want quality, but what I'm saying is that you can have both quality and speed.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Yeah, but I still don't understand why you guys are against JPEGs? I find it kind of funny for a reason.

Okay, to be fair, I dislike it, but I don't care.

One of sites goals is to archive, so of course we want to have original Mona Lisa, instead of photograph of Mona Lisa taken with mobile phone and printed on dot matrix printer. We want to make sure that images shared today will be as good as they are in next 10 years, instead of someone only being able to find compressed version from iFunny.

Many websites do also resave the content, so if you save JPG as JPG, now you are doubling the compression, where PNG as PNG keeps visual quality identical.

PNG ensures that it's visually original, where even highest quality JPG is already altered.
e621:image_quality
https://xkcd.com/1683/

Also because PNG files are still usually couple megabytes max, modern internet connections should handle them with ease, so benefit of lower filesize isn't enough to justify altered and worse quality. Also like Chessax said, there are even software dedicated for further optimizing these files without any quality loss, so if you can save your artwork as PNG, it's usually best approach.

cerberusmod_3 said:
Yeah, because Twitter is so huge that even it could not handle large files, right?

Twitter, tumblr, facebook, etc. nature is to share something right now, were it memes or selfies, memes don't matter if they are bit compressed and real life photograps it's harder to see JPG compression, so for social medias it's far more important to make content load fast to users and preserve bandwidth and server space over long time archival.

We care about these things, that majority won't have to.

Chessax said:
Not everyone has a high end phone or a fast internet connection, besides it's been shown again and again that people hate loading times to the point of instead of actually viewing the image (or site) they will click away because it wasn't snappy enough. It's a valid point to want quality, but what I'm saying is that you can have both quality and speed.

Reason why samples are enabled for guest viewers (on top of lessening server load) and samples and thumbnails are JPG.
And this actually comes to good point, JPG is still good if you only want to see the image, but as that can and is generated from original content, original content should still be as good as it possibly can be. Those with low end phones and connections get the content, those wanting original quality get the content, win/win.

Mairo said:
One of sites goals is to archive, so of course we want to have original Mona Lisa, instead of photograph of Mona Lisa taken with mobile phone and printed on dot matrix printer. We want to make sure that images shared today will be as good as they are in next 10 years, instead of someone only being able to find compressed version from iFunny.

Many websites do also resave the content, so if you save JPG as JPG, now you are doubling the compression, where PNG as PNG keeps visual quality identical.

PNG ensures that it's visually original, where even highest quality JPG is already altered.
e621:image_quality
https://xkcd.com/1683/[/quote]
Allow me to play Devil's Advocate for the 18,456th time.

I agree that PNG should be preferred, but the sad reality is sometimes these artists only save their own work in JPEG and that's all you're going to get...also I find a highest-quality JPEG to be indiscernible from a PNG...even though I know that it is still theoretically worse. I tend to zoom in on a lot of images to discern their actual quality as file size can sometimes be misleading. I'm looking for small JPEG artifacts and zooming in on a 12-quality JPEG is basically the same as zooming in on a PNG.

Just saying if all you can get is a JPEG it can be just as good in a lot of cases.

wolftacos said:
If you've got site suggestions, I'm listening and will tell other artists I know about them!

I have a Twitter I forget to use. It's mostly used as an extra link into the world thing and not as my main gallery. Man it's hard to use that system because of the inability to edit a tweet.

e621 has the best comparison of gallery sites that I know of: https://e621.net/wiki/show/howto:sites_and_sources

I hate it when Tumblr turned their safe search perpetually on. And there's no way we could turn it off.