Topic: A question about tagging the setting of comics

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And/or multi-image sequences and the like too, I guess. I tried to search to see if this has been asked before, but I'm can't think of proper search terms and I didn't find anything with what I did search.

My question is, when a comic or image series takes place in a preexisting setting or universe, like pokémon_mystery_dungeon or how_to_train_your_dragon, would it be correct to apply the tag to all pages of the comic that take place in that setting? Or should they only be applied to specific pages that have something clearly identifiable to the setting? Like how this page clearly shows a location belonging to Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (Sharpedo Bluff), while the very next page doesn't (unless you count the vague background details as being a particular dungeon in one of the games).

I know general tags are on an image-by-image basis (characters can regularly change between male/female/intersex/ambiguous depending on what you can see on any given page), but I don't know if the same applies to tags that indicate a particular setting given that it already relies on a level of external knowledge/lore to identify (which can itself sometimes be ambiguous, like this which has pokemon exploring a cave/dungeon reminiscent of PMD, but hardly a PMD-exclusive trait).

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Furrin_Gok said:
Tagging is done per image, not for the entire pool.

I understand that, but that wasn't really my question (though I did run across a thread asking about tagging pools, seems it's a bit too complicated to do).

My question is more about tagging the pages of a comic or image series with the setting it takes place in (pooled or not, though comics tend to be pooled). For example, given strict per-image TWYS adherence, a comic that takes place in the pokémon_mystery_dungeon setting would only be tagged that on specific pages that have an identifiable trait of the games, like a canon location, character, or item. That doesn't seem very helpful, though, when identifiable traits to a setting are often not visible throughout a comic (if at all), and can be ambiguous when they are (PMD-specific characters, for instance, often look like normal pokemon; most canon PMD characters don't wear a scarf/ribbon/bandana/badge, and pokemon that do wear them aren't necessarily PMD-related).

Identifying a setting like this often relies on external knowledge (text/dialog, other images in the series, etc) and/or subjective impression (non-unique details, and if the whole makes you think it's that setting). Much like characters, which don't always have or aren't always depicted with unique traits -- a character with a unique color scheme drawn in a mostly black-and-white comic, or based on a creature using a non-canon but otherwise common hairstyle or color that multiple characters could use.

So I'm asking how this is supposed to work, as the character and "copyright" tags seem to use a looser TWYS interpretation compared to general tags. And in the case almost everyone's doing it wrong and tags for characters and settings are supposed to be strict adherence, there'll be a lot of images needing their tags reevaluated, along with complaints about characters no longer being tagged when it's "obviously them".

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Watsit said:
I understand that, but that wasn't really my question (though I did run across a thread asking about tagging pools, seems it's a bit too complicated to do).

My question is more about tagging the pages of a comic or image series with the setting it takes place in (pooled or not, though comics tend to be pooled). For example, given strict per-image TWYS adherence, a comic that takes place in the pokémon_mystery_dungeon setting would only be tagged that on specific pages that have an identifiable trait of the games, like a canon location, character, or item. That doesn't seem very helpful, though, when identifiable traits to a setting are often not visible throughout a comic (if at all), and can be ambiguous when they are (PMD-specific characters, for instance, often look like normal pokemon; most canon PMD characters don't wear a scarf/ribbon/bandana/badge, and pokemon that do wear them aren't necessarily PMD-related).

Identifying a setting like this often relies on external knowledge (text/dialog, other images in the series, etc) and/or subjective impression (non-unique details, and if the whole makes you think it's that setting). Much like characters, which don't always have or aren't always depicted with unique traits -- a character with a unique color scheme drawn in a mostly black-and-white comic, or based on a creature using a non-canon but otherwise common hairstyle or color that multiple characters could use.

So I'm asking how this is supposed to work, as the character and "copyright" tags seem to use a looser TWYS interpretation compared to general tags. And in the case almost everyone's doing it wrong and tags for characters and settings are supposed to be strict adherence, there'll be a lot of images needing their tags reevaluated, along with complaints about characters no longer being tagged when it's "obviously them".

If you see something that makes it obvious that it's Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, tag it. Sharpedo bluff? PMD. Explorer's badge? PMD. Team Charm (Or any of the other teams that show up for more than one single sequence)? PMD. A random Victini and Darkrai? Nah, these fan characters aren't well enough known to get that tag. You can add the pokémon_victory_fire tag, and if that gets an eventual implication to PMD, then sure, but until then there's no need for that tag.

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Furrin_Gok said:
If you see something that makes it obvious that it's Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, tag it. Sharpedo bluff? PMD. Explorer's badge? PMD. Team Charm (Or any of the other teams that show up for more than one single sequence)? PMD.

What's obvious to one person may not be to another. Sure, Sharpedo Bluff and the badge insignias may be unique enough to be unmistakable (wouldn't be surprised if there's legal copyrights and trademarks involved with their depiction, either). But is a pokemon wearing a bandana obviously PMD? The wiki says it's an easy indicator, but it's not always true. And how do you tell Team Charm apart from a normal Lopunny+Gardevoir+Medicham that happen to be in the same pic? Should these posts be tagged as Team Charm, why or why not?

Just so I'm understanding correctly, though, you're saying that tags like pokémon_mystery_dungeon should only be applied when there's a visually-identifiable trait to the source material in a given page, regardless of anything else? So pretty much all of Tales from Silverstar Town should not be tagged as PMD (no recognizable locations, characters, etc), as well as the majority of Victory Fire and Wanderlust (and likely others). And it also follows then that, while this page should have the character tag Azzilan on account of his unique horn band/ring identifying him, this page should not since he's not wearing it and otherwise looks like a normal (if somewhat anthrofied) Charizard?

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Watsit said:
What's obvious to one person may not be to another. Sure, Sharpedo Bluff and the badge insignias may be unique enough to be unmistakable (wouldn't be surprised if there's legal copyrights and trademarks involved with their depiction, either). But is a pokemon wearing a bandana obviously PMD? The wiki says it's an easy indicator, but it's not always true. And how do you tell Team Charm apart from a normal Lopunny+Gardevoir+Medicham that happen to be in the same pic? Should these posts be tagged as Team Charm, why or why not?

Characters are allowed to be tagged based on outside information, and those guys are Team Charm, so they get the tag.

Watsit said:
And it also follows then that, while this page should have the character tag Azzilan on account of his unique horn band/ring identifying him, this page should not since he's not wearing it and otherwise looks like a normal (if somewhat anthrofied) Charizard?

If you recognize that as something specifically from mystery dungeon I guess you can? It just looks like a ring to me.

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Furrin_Gok said:
Characters are allowed to be tagged based on outside information, and those guys are Team Charm, so they get the tag.

Fair enough.

Furrin_Gok said:
If you recognize that as something specifically from mystery dungeon I guess you can? It just looks like a ring to me.

Well, in the case of Azzilan, I was referring to identifying him given his distinctive horn ring. Just about all art of him has it, and it's unlikely another character would just happen to have a feature that's confusingly similar. But, the few times he's not wearing it or it's not visible, he's not much different looking than a normal Charizard.

However, you say you're allowed to use outside information to identify characters, so he should still be tagged as Azzilan if that's who it's intended to be. The same does not apply to identifying the setting of an image series or comic, though, you say?

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