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Topic: [APPROVED] Tentacles From The Abyss! (Tentacle Bulk Update)

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The bulk update request #84 is active.

Reason: Many missing aliases and implications for tentacles, including common typos and plural variations. Due to the post limit for bulk update requests, the majority of the tags are listed below.

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EDIT: The bulk update request #84 (forum #292382) has been approved by @Millcore.

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Genjar

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The only ones I'm unsure about are the tentacle_sex -> sex and related implications. Should it get tagged as sex even though tentacles don't count as characters and the sex tag is for 'sex between two or more characters'...?

Then again, it's definitely not masturbation. But I've always thought of tentacle_sex as a kind of a separate tag in that tag group. As in, sex, tentacle_sex, or masturbation..

Edit: Oh, definitely -1 for the holding_tentacles -> tentacle_grab that TheVileOne mentioned, and consentacles-> tentacle_sex is also problematic since there's several non-sex posts that fit the theme. I didn't notice those on first look, skimmed the list too fast.

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Issues

Aliases
  • holding and grabbing tentacles probably should remain separate. Holding is specifically for holding one's own body parts.
  • Unsure if we should treat mechanical and metal as the same thing. It doesn't seem to be aliased for anything else.
  • tentacle_plant would be a separate entity from plant_tentacles. Plant creatures can have vine tentacles and pretty much any kind of prehensile vine would be tagged as this.
  • Seems odd to alias head_tentacle to hair_tentacles. Head is the more broad term which includes the face. But I can see there being confusion here.
Implications
  • tentacle_bondage is not actual bondage. It shouldn't imply bondage.
  • tentacle_sex Tend to agree that it should count as sex, but e621 has had weird criteria about it.
  • tentacle_orgy would violate the character requirement.

Genjar

Former Staff

thevileone said:

  • tentacle_orgy would violate the character requirement.

That should probably be renamed. Calling it *_orgy when that tag doesn't apply is asking for mistags..
Something like mass_tentacle_sex instead of tentacle_orgy should work.

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d.d.m. said:
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I created bound_by_tentacles as a tag to move all of the images that shouldn't be in the tentacle_bondage tag. Tentacle bondage is a multi-purpose tag that includes bondage scenarios involving tentacles, tentacles being bound, and characters being bound by tentacles. I think tentacle_bondage is supposed to have the definition similar to tail_bondage, wing_bondage, hair_bondage and only be used if a tentacle is bound. I hadn't finished my clean up of that tag.

  • I thought consentacles was always meant to be a sexual tag. What other things would you consent to other than sex? Sex may not have happened yet though.

I suggest aliasing tentacle_monster to tentacle_creature. Tentacle monster sounds like it should be restricted to monstrous animals.

BTW living_plant is aliased to flora_fauna. I assume that tentacle_plant is supposed to be for entities that more closely resemble a plant than animal. I don't think it should be a species tag as I was planning on using it for disembodied plant tentacles. Things that would not be considered a character, but can be determined to be part of a plant structure.

Another thing is the lack of a dire_plant tag, which really surprises me.

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Genjar

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- consentacles is currently tagged for a lot of non-explicit posts that fit the theme: consentacles -rating:e, whereas tentacle_sex is an explicit tag. That's the most problematic out of those, as far as I see it.

- tentacle_sex is in a rather weird niche, in the sense that the sex tag currently requires multiple characters. But tentacles don't usually count as characters, so by the current definition, tentacle sex isn't sex... or rather, it is only sex if the tentacled creature itself is visible, not just the tentacles.

- vine_tentacles and tentacle_plant alias to plant_tentacles seems fine to me. I could see having a tag for tentacle creatures that overall resemble plants, but none of those three are currently tagged that way.

- tentacle_bondage seems more like restraining than actual bondage to me.

And I second the tentacle_monster -> tentacle_creature suggestion. *_creature has become the standard, and not all 'tentacle monsters' are actually monstrous enough to be tagged as monster. Alternately, we could make a separate tentacle_creature tag and implicate tentacle_monster to it. But that'd require sorting, and who has time for that?

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@DDM The bondage implication shouldn't happen. Rarely do bondage tags imply bondage, because not all instances they may use for count as bondage. They are tags generally for the bound or restrained tag instead. You'll end up implying bondage in situations that are not bondage as we have defined on the wiki.

Now tentacles are often used for methods extremely similar to bondage, and arguably could replace any bondage implement while keeping the idea of the bondage intact. Currently living things being used as bondage doesn't qualify as bondage.

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The current wiki descriptions for tentacle_bondage and bound_by_tentacles are confusing to say the least. If the tentacle_bondage is going to be used for when a tentacle is the one being restrained, then it should clearly mention this fact. It should also not imply bondage because bondage is only used for when characters are the ones bound, and tentacles don't count as characters.

In general I don't like the tentacle_bondage tag name because it's too ambiguous which will lead to a lot of mistagging. I'd propose aliasing it to tentacles_being_bound.

Anyway, the wiki pages also mention:

Using tentacles to restrain characters does not count as bondage. There must be actual bondage restraints present to get the bondage tag.

I'd disagree with this for the same reason - tentacles don't count as a character. Since they don't count as a character, if a character is restrained by tentacles, then it's the same as if they were restrained by ropes. Therefore, a character bound_by_tentacles should imply bondage.

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Actually, now that I look at it, we have a tag called cuffed. This tag has been aliased to bound. If a tag, which is essentially bound_by_handcuffs, has been aliased away, then bound_by_tentacles should get the same treatment and be aliased away. The tag simply doesn't have enough value and searching for tentacles restrained should work good enough.

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As I said earlier, I created the bound_by_tentacles tag to include as a home for posts in the tentacle_bondage tag. I wasn't yet sure what the fate for that tag should be and I wasn't finished cleaning up the tags.

delian said:
Actually, now that I look at it, we have a tag called cuffed. This tag has been aliased to bound. If a tag, which is essentially bound_by_handcuffs, has been aliased away, then bound_by_tentacles should get the same treatment and be aliased away. The tag simply doesn't have enough value and searching for tentacles restrained should work good enough.

From personable experience, it is not the most enjoyable thing to play guess the tag combination to get what I want to see. bound_by_tentacles is a very necessary tag IMO.

I think it might not be worth handling any of those tags in this BUR, and have them handled separately. There is no sense having these tags get in the way of the bulk of the tags that no one is disagreeing about and having the possibility of having to fix the tags later, because we rushed to include them into a mass update. At least let me organize tentacle_bondage, before aliasing it with bound_by_tentacles which I was using to help sort the images.

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D.D.M.

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Since each of these are still being discussed, I'll remove these implications from the list above. Though I hope discussion of these (and any other tentacles tags I missed) can continue. I'll submit a subsequent BUR as more aliases/implications are brought up and discussed.

It was intended to be the same usage. I was going to go through all of the tags listed under the original tag, and decide how to proceed with the tag going forward when I was finished. The first step was to disambiguate it by putting everything it was being used for into separate tags.

If at the end of the process it still made sense to keep the definition the same, nothing would have been lost. The primary usage would already be populated by a more descriptive tag. If it deserved to have some other description, I would likely rewrite the wiki and inform others to use my newly populated tag for the old definition instead.

I didn't anticipate someone would come along and try to create a wiki for my tag.

Tag discussion:

- There is a lot of tags missing tentacle_sex, and something like consensual_tentacle_sex would help with that. Although from a searching standpoint, you would get everything you'd want from such a tag by just using consentacles. I don't think it is necessary.

- Why do you have tentacle_creature being aliased to tentacle_monster if you want to suggest the opposite at a later date? If tentacle_creature ends up being the more broad term, then this means that no one will be able to pigeon hole the exceptions into the creature tag.

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D.D.M.

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thevileone said:

  • Whoops, I hadn't realized tentacle_creature was still on the list. The alias can be reversed, but I apologize for this mistake.
  • I was going through the tentacles tags and organizing their wikis when I wrote the bound_by_tentacles and tentacle_bondage wikis. The wikis I had written were meant to be simple and straightforward, so a more refined definition that could help differentiate each of these tags from the other would be welcomed.

It didn't get aliased, it is fine. Also yes, consentacles isn't only for sex, but it is easily mostly sex images. There would be little reason to search for the much longer sex tag.

D.D.M.

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To me, the longer name isn't much of an inhibitor. Particularly since there are several other lengthy tag names that are frequently used like butt_from_the_front, presenting_hindquarters, partially_retracted_foreskin, anatomically_correct_genitalia, and others.

I guess I'm aiming for greater accuracy when searching, particularly since consentacles itself doesn't necessarily equate to tentacle_sex. It would also be nice to have a tag that could auto-imply consentacles and tentacle_sex for posts where both tags are applicable (even if a shorter name were given instead of consensual_tentacle_sex, like consentacle_sex, but that example sounds clunky to me).

Edit: It would also be nice to know if any other folks out there would use a consensual_tentacle_sex tag (or a similar equivalent to this). There wouldn't be much point in making it a tag if I'm the only one asking for it and tagging stuff with it.

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