Topic: Party and play

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Some of you are probably aware the general idea exists as a natural result of conflating interests, but I had no idea it was anywhere near this developed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_and_play

It's tough to get hard data on this sort of thing because nobody ever wants to talk about the imposed stigma, but I wonder how much this overlaps with furry culture. Nothing is ever good when it reaches 'epidemic' levels and I get the feeling it's going to run a lot deeper than anyone cares to admit.

Shit like this keeps me terrified from ever visiting cons or indeed fully immersing myself in any subculture of any kind. I'm not the kind of person who could ever be in a quote-unquote normal relationship because traditional monogamist qualms have always bored me but I don't think I could ever bring myself to even briefly hook up with someone precisely because of this, despite how it's getting to the point where I feel I'm dissociating further and further from mainstream society. My receptors reached a point where the CNS reacts far stronger to what is created, or produced, rather than what simply is – which is to say I find myself more emotionally invested in art music and literature as they have far more thought put in and thus oftentimes have more to offer than the actual people behind them. And it frequently feels like the only type of person I could see myself sufficiently interested in to pursue anything beyond casual acquaintanceship, would be through virtue of sharing common appreciation for the same kind of endorphin-stimulus.
Furries would naturally seem like one potential avenue of exploration, given the inclination to that type of animation for literally as long as I can remember (as a phenomenon it obviously long precedes myself even unto prehistory, as character projection seems to be a natural mechanism of humanity) and I've known it was an actual 'thing' that existed since at least 13 in highschool, and I'm now 26 finishing my degree trying to decide what my post-education life should entail (no pun intended). Half my life has been spent in this weirdo shit to one degree or another and to think that it doesn't have something to do with the functioning of my mind on a subcortical level would be to deny an integral part of myself. But I don't know if I can ever allow myself to be anything more than a passive observer, because it just seems that reciprocity invites vulnerability, and there stands to be a bigger downfall with this kind of risk than any other.

I know precautionary principle and basic awareness is becoming wider spread but so is potential sepsis and infection as paraphilias grow rougher and more diverse; just the phrase 'sores and abrasions in the mouth' makes my blood run cold and I know it's not something anyone is ever going to be upfront about, because why would they. Again, the stigma on this is massive - it's not just something you ask and it isn't something people are typically truthful about. Suiting isn't for me for a number of reasons and I'm not an artist, so my involvement really only extends insofar as enjoyment of the art and friendship in the community. But I'm at a crossroads now where I don't know if it will ever grow beyond something that exists solely on the internet or if I could have the wherewithal to ever take it irl.

The fact that methamphetamine is still legally approved for ADHD as desoxyn is simultaneously the funniest and saddest thing I've ever heard; my entire family has higher rates of abuse than a fucking biker gang because of this exact crutch modern psychiatry can't bare to let go of, and the neurological damage and suicide attempts that've shown to be part & parcel of long-term use and psychosis have been enough of a cautionary tale to instill a distrust of anything even remotely associated with speed, whether on- or off-label, it is just as vile as fucking heroin. Uppers and downers, amphetamines and opioids, have been responsible for so. much pain and suffering, and yet because of their origin as legal pharmaceuticals they are so thoroughly disseminated throughout society that I feel with any large-scale gathering, be it a concert a club or a con, its pervasive grasp is inevitable.
Furry helped me come to terms with myself, how the binary spectrum is little more than modern invention and human experience is limited only by whatever imposition you place on your own mind; but by that very dint I get the feeling there's a much higher percentage of furries who are willing to play a lot harder, and there's no easy to way to make discernment. And so I'm faced with a crisis of fur, wherein I'm either letting opportunities for fulfillment continually pass me by and just sort of adapt to a multi-tiered life, or try to actually find someone to connect with on a deeper level through integrative interests and shared appreciation; this is after all why people typically marry within their own religion or race (not always but obviously the preponderance is huge). So the chances for even short-term happiness seem a lot higher with someone who at least knows about the fandom – I know people with the same enthusiasm are out there, regardless of magnitude or involvement....but the cultural overlap for a 'good time' encompasses so much more that I just can't deal with it.

It's just......the older I get, the deeper I feel drawn to the idea of furry and its associated qualities, but there's still just so much depravity that keeps me at a distance. I don't know if it's something I'll ever really be able to fully 'accept' acknowledging in physicality. And it's sad something I could really care for is kept forever at bay

It may just be I'm paranoid and I know nobody cares about my stupid minutia to be bothered to read much or any of this.....but alone all night in a hotel room and I needed to get this out of my head somehow before it consumed the rest of my thoughts

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that wall of text is big enough to cover my entire computer screen

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Illegal Drugs or Activities
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alirezatm said:

Illegal Drugs or Activities

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Um, did you catch how I said drugs are bad. That's kind of the point. It's precisely because not talking about them doesn't make them go away, is why an unspoken presence is so dangerous. I think you need to re-read the nuances of that rule.

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tl,dr

alirezatm said:

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If they have said they are taking illegal drugs, then it's breaking the rules. The only thing I see here is the OP discussing about how bad it's affecting his life.

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Yeah, most furry conventions aren't going to be full blown drug orgies. There is a ton of money from sellers involved so you can be sure that shit would get raided by the police faster than a CP ring.

If there are people who use drugs on cons than those are going to be in the minority and you'll just have to learn how to identify those people and then stay away from them.

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You don't have to associate with druggies you know

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alirezatm said:

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Ali, pls

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I lost interest in the fandom a few weeks back that I found a big percentage of furries are drug takers while chatting on furnet IRC.

But it's the life, world is full of people you dislike. It's impossible to live without that fact. You just should ignore them.

What nimm ^^^ said was really correct and good. You really don't need to communicate with drug takers, either being in your fandom, or even being in your family! If you're father's a drug taker, delete him from your life.

Though still I found that lots of furries are drug takers and sex addicts I still enjoy to talk with people on the fandom. I just try to not approach those people.

Even if they are a majority (Joke. Drug takers never are a majority) you should ignore them. I lived many years in a strict Islamic country as a Christian minority myself.

Do not be scared of cons, it's just a gathering like your family gathering. As an example think one of your cousins is a drug addict, do you cancel your family gathering only because a single person? Absolutely not. You just keep distance of him. That's the correct thing.

Though I'm a extreme shitposter, I hope I could've helped you with this ^ guide.

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Knotty_Curls said:
Wait

who were you talking to on the IRC, wat

I was on #e621, sadly I've changed my IRC client in the meanwhile and deleted the whole application with the data.

I bitched about my life (what I always do) and some guy told me that he has no money, BECAUSE HE SPENDS IT BUYING WEED!!! And then that some other people started to tell drugs they take with that < guy and I was watching their conversation in silence.

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I think I was there for that. 3 or 4 people out of ~80 does not make a big percentage

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alirezatm said:
I was on #e621, sadly I've changed my IRC client in the meanwhile and deleted the whole application with the data.

I bitched about my life (what I always do) and some guy told me that he has no money, BECAUSE HE SPENDS IT BUYING WEED!!! And then that some other people started to tell drugs they take with that < guy and I was watching their conversation in silence.

You should be happy, they act as a big group of people to look down on

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Those are good points.....I guess I wasn’t sure how far on the ‘underground’ circuit these things typically are. It seems simple enough just to stay away from certain people, but when it’s forced into clandestinity things become a lot more complicated...I really wish the club scene wasn’t like this but it’s just the way it is; seemed that given the dancing events at many of these there might be some demographic runoff, as both seem to come from a similar place of motivation (dropping out and having a good time). Reading about stuff like this always causes a lot of trepidation.

didn’t really expect anyone to read it but that’s all there is to say, and I do appreciate the input. thank you really

(funny as that video is, it is unfortunate that Breaking Bad has probably had a lot to do with its growing prolificity)

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I'm confused. You're staying away from cons because you're scared that you'll get drugged or.....

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Well the thing is I used to hit a lot of different clubs (punk, house, Hi-NRG, etc) up until a few years ago when the whole legal chemicals thing got really popular. All of the sudden so many people were exploiting this loophole that the situation started deteriorating really rapidly, like imagine the perfect storm of disinhibition and aggressive superstrength and things could get pretty ugly, usually after the bathroom seemed conspicuously busy.

I know furries aren't usually like that, but I didn't know an entire subculture had already built around this kind of thing either. And the fandom always seems to find new ways to surprise me so....makes me somewhat wary about jumping straight into anything. I guess these are probably better managed than the average hole in the wall, but trying to meet anyone seems like it'd be hard to get an accurate gauge of character. Maybe it's just a bigger problem with some subsets than others.

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TheHuskyK9 said:
I'm confused. You're staying away from cons because you're scared that you'll get drugged or.....

Seems like... It's the same as avoiding raves or parties (like in my case)

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Xch3l said:
Seems like... It's the same as avoiding raves or parties (like in my case)

Those are fun though. I've been to 2 raves and 6 house parties. Just be aware of your surroundings, never go alone/bring friends, watch your cup and don't accept ANY drinks that random sketchy dudes offer you or else you could get BC'd. I don't drink so if someone came up to me and offered a drink, I'll gladly reply with a "No."

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TheHuskyK9 said:
Those are fun though. I've been to 2 raves and 6 house parties. Just be aware of your surroundings, never go alone/bring friends, watch your cup and don't accept ANY drinks that random sketchy dudes offer you or else you could get BC'd. I don't drink so if someone came up to me and offered a drink, I'll gladly reply with a "No."

Thanks for the tips. I don't drink either so I guess I'd do the same. Even though, if I lost my drink, I'd prolly go for another *shrug*

I need friends first, though

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Xch3l said:
Thanks for the tips. I don't drink either so I guess I'd do the same. Even though, if I lost my drink, I'd prolly go for another *shrug*

I need friends first, though

I'll be your friend :V

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aurel said:
Not really, all recreational drugs will begin an addiction...

doing them made me never consider doing them again

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Anyone interested in academia, I just found a thorough exposé on this very phenomenon; although at 166 pages, really only for those who seriously deign to understand the nature of deviance.

https://www.academia.edu/2041102/Frederick_B.J._2012_._Partying_with_a_purpose_Finding_meaning_in_an_online_party_n_play_subculture_Masters_thesis_._California_State_University_Long_Beach

The fact that such an insular culture can exist just out of sight on the margins of society, I find fascinating, baffling....and frightening. you just can't know.....it goes on and on and on about the associated stigma, but at least someone is writing about it. It blows my mind the problem could ever be this enormous

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Xch3l said:
Seems like... It's the same as avoiding raves or parties (like in my case)

Or mosh pits...*cringes from personal experience*

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Lance_Armstrong said:
Some drugs could be good.

^ Statement compliant with e621 rules & regs

But only drugs that happen to be legal in your current timespace coordinate!

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aurel said:
Not really, all recreational drugs will begin an addiction...

uh no

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I have gone to a billion house parties since I was 14, and these are my experiences which I like to tell:

1) Go with your friends, Or some good relative. Solo, Dangerous. Especially if you're a teenage woman in Middle East, or any oppressed society in your country.

2) Usually Alcohol drinkers/Drug takers would gather in a definite place of the house... like a bedroom. You easily can avoid that place.

3) Learn to say "NO". Someone offers you a drink/drug and you reply with a "NO". Someone asks you for sex, and you say "NO". Only God knows how many of this sluts have AIDS or other STDs!

4) As I told on exp. 2, people will gather in a few groups. If you have seen a good group (Like harmless dancers for example) join them. It'll help you keep clean of all drugs.

Xch3l said:
I need friends first, though

I don't have friends... Do you know what I do?
There were a gang in our highschool, but they were a harmless gang they didn't commit crimes. They were about 9/10 people and Every place they wanted to go and I found out, I glued myself to them.

At first time I heard bad reactions, but after a few times hanging out, They had no problem with me.

I even made a Telegram group for them with me being the admin, and that helped a lot...

Though still I see they post photos of their fun without informing me, every time I find that they're going to do something, I'll jump into them.

I think that's a good idea for you too ;)

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TheHuskyK9 said:
I'll be your friend :V

Thanks dude.

ElctrcBoogalord said:
Or mosh pits...*cringes from personal experience*

*googles* oh, I see... *adds to "things to try to avoid" list*

alirezatm said:
I don't have friends... Do you know what I do?
There were a gang in our highschool, but they were a harmless gang they didn't commit crimes. They were about 9/10 people and Every place they wanted to go and I found out, I glued myself to them.

At first time I heard bad reactions, but after a few times hanging out, They had no problem with me.

I even made a Telegram group for them with me being the admin, and that helped a lot...

Though still I see they post photos of their fun without informing me, every time I find that they're going to do something, I'll jump into them.

I think that's a good idea for you too ;)

Well, I hope it works

I'm normally an antisocial freak and talking to any other person in school or outside of it makes me rather nervous :/ (dunno how or why I'm quite talkative on the internet, though)
So that's why I hope :I

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Xch3l said:
*googles* oh, I see... *adds to "things to try to avoid" list*

Didn't get hurt that much, but I was pretty much a rag doll when I was in one.

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aurel said:
Not really, all recreational drugs will begin an addiction...

Anything can become an addiction

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RustyTorpedo said:
Anything can become an addiction

Like books

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Rayzr said:
Like the internet.

And cheesy-stuffed pretzels with bacon

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TheHuskyK9 said:
And cheesy-stuffed pretzels with bacon

AND MY AXE

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Knotty_Curls said:

AND MY AXE

And my bow!

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What did I miss? :)

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Knotty_Curls said:

"AND MY AXE":

RustyTorpedo said:
And my bow!

Don't forgot that you have my sword!

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