From this day forth e621.net is no longer my home upload site to many strict rules now since 4 days ago I now made my own booru safe host image site were I can post without any hassle of deleting or punishment to this site I can upload to my hearts content without limit on the new booru I set up for my self.

We have rules about uploading and tagging here specifically to make e621 one of the most accessible and easy-to-search furry databases on the web.

Good luck getting traffic anywhere else

Whoa whoa whoa calm down.

A site Without mass deletions, Paheal. Look how shitty it would be without deletions.

wait are you really this upset because i flagged a bunch of your images for being dnp

you cant just make your own booru

like what kind of traffic do you even get

Cool but... uh... your point is...?

Xch3l said:
Cool but... uh... your point is...?

he got mad because he got record for posting dnp so he made own booru so he could post dnp stuff without getting yelled at by mods.

i dont think that he realizes that he will still get yelled at by the artists if they figure out what hes doing

Aces said:
From this day forth e621.net is no longer my home upload site to many strict rules now since 4 days ago I now made my own booru safe host image site

with blackjack and hookers

You do realize that the reason why boorus have DNP lists is to prevent lawsuits right?

Fenrick said:
with blackjack and hookers

You missed the barbecue.

alirezatm said:
Whoa whoa whoa calm down.

A site Without mass deletions, Paheal. Look how shitty it would be without deletions.

Even they have a DNP list

Mutisija said:
he got mad because he got record for posting dnp so he made own booru so he could post dnp stuff without getting yelled at by mods.
i dont think that he realizes that he will still get yelled at by the artists if they figure out what hes doing

Yeah. I just read his record and it seems so...

Also, I agree with Waba (forum #172075), sites have a DNP to avoid trouble with artists and possible lawsuits

Aces said:
From this day forth e621.net is no longer my home upload site to many strict rules now since 4 days ago I now made my own booru safe host image site were I can post without any hassle of deleting or punishment to this site I can upload to my hearts content without limit on the new booru I set up for my self.

coo' story

This is why we need an offline version of e621.
People can "post" everything they want to their copy, and they even get to be admin!

Plus, they'll get the same amount of traffic as with their own online booru.

Mad cause bad

Mutisija said:
wait are you really this upset because i flagged a bunch of your images for being dnp

He also dislikes it when you post better versions of his uploads, which is a common occurrence because he often uses 3rd-party sources and/or uploads from a mobile device. Either instance may result in an image of reduced quality as compared to the original.

There is a bit of a language barrier with him. So it is difficult to explain that we're not being unfair and that he's just not doing it right.

nuff said

Waba_Grill said:
Even they have a DNP list

i have to wonder how effective that is over there given the tagging or lack thereof.

Aces are low right now.

User around for 6 years but didn't learn about copyright law.

And here I thought someone was going to complain about how easily downvoting is abused ;O;

fox_whisper85 said:
And here I thought someone was going to complain about how easily downvoting is abused ;O;

No one but a couple of bastards that are a little minority do that. No need to complain. Lettem downvote until they die. You're giving them attention, what they need to do this.

alirezatm said:
No one but a couple of bastards that are a little minority do that. No need to complain. Lettem downvote until they die. You're giving them attention, what they need to do this.

Won't argue with that, just one of my recent things...well, heh, never mind :D Pretty sure it won't even get approved by the admins XD

aurel said:

*clenches fists* *begins shaking* ... you... YOU....
....
hrrrrrr
*shakes head in disapproval*

What the actual deuce is THAT supposed to mean? I'm alluding to the fact the down-votes are very much abused and people go as far as to using alt accounts for the sake of down-voting because they can, out of pure spite and because they've nothing better to do. That's all, I don't know why you're clenching your fists, your reaction baffles me as I didn't do anything wrong.

aurel said:
At least reading the list of tags people provide on upload, and ask them are they sure they want to upload, if there is a DNP artist listed?

That seems very reasonable (realistically, people won't check DNP lists, because it's tedious.). Have you requested it in the feature request thread?

ITT aurel suggests the administration takes all 150,000 users by their hands and walks them through reading the DNP list.

This site is for 18+ and we do require a modicum of responsibility and that includes reading the rules, where everything is outlined.
If people decide ignore publicly available documentation than that is not our problem anymore.

Also, most DNP records from the top uploaders could have been avoided if they would have read the description of the image on FA because they mostly upload gift art from a DNP artist given to a non-DNP artist. Something people would be able to know if they wouldn't feel the need to upload everything within 10 seconds after it goes public.

aurel said:
*clenches fists* *begins shaking* ... you... YOU....
....
hrrrrrr
*shakes head in disapproval*

Don't ever do this again.
Leave your childish feuds outside of the public and learn to ignore people.

NotMeNotYou said:
ITT aurel suggests the administration takes all 150,000 users by their hands and walks them through reading the DNP list.

This site is for 18+ and we do require a modicum of responsibility and that includes reading the rules, where everything is outlined.
If people decide ignore publicly available documentation than that is not our problem anymore.

All I can say to that, if you think people will keep space in their heads for DNP list of furry porn website..
There are some people who will do that.
But I'm not sure that they are the kind of people you actually want posting. I'm quite sure they are the kind of people who don't have their priorities straight.

AFAICS, you can have volume of posting, or you can have rules that are made unnecessarily tedious by lack of UI, but you can't have both.

NotMeNotYou said:
ITT aurel suggests the administration takes all 150,000 users by their hands and walks them through reading the DNP list.

This site is for 18+ and we do require a modicum of responsibility and that includes reading the rules, where everything is outlined.
If people decide ignore publicly available documentation than that is not our problem anymore.

Because it'd be so hard to put a little "Check the DNP!" button on the upload page. Kind of like what we have on the How to Upload page.

Checking DNP is tedious, even if you know where to find it. It's still an extra two-three clicks and a CTRL+F search for cross-referencing names to make sure you don't upload an artist who changed their handle; when one's already tagged and sourced something, all it really takes is this extra hoop to jump through for a lot of people to stop caring.

Just so you recall what you're dealing with so you don't start aggressing people on our site who actually intend to help and contribute. Again.

yeah honestly the dnp page is not easily accessible at all. like its difficult to find even if you know what you are looking for.

That's actually true.

fox_whisper85 said:
And here I thought someone was going to complain about how easily downvoting is abused ;O;

For posts portraying video games/series/niche fetishes etc, i.e. posts that may not appeal to the community as a whole, you should definitely look at the number of favorites, not on the score. The fav count tells you more about if the post is liked by the people it was probably intended for in the first place... Though I see the problem you're referring to.

savageorange said:
That seems very reasonable (realistically, people won't check DNP lists, because it's tedious.). Have you requested it in the feature request thread?

Already in feature request thread but might have fallen between the cracks/didn't seem very important: forum #63970

It actually takes me a couple of steps to find any DNP artists.

Either by clicking "More" or googling "dnp e621" to get to the avoid posting list, really inconvenient.

Chessax said:
For posts portraying video games/series/niche fetishes etc, i.e. posts that may not appeal to the community as a whole, you should definitely look at the number of favorites, not on the score. The fav count tells you more about if the post is liked by the people it was probably intended for in the first place... Though I see the problem you're referring to.

Already in feature request thread but might have fallen between the cracks/didn't seem very important: forum #63970

Well, I know, I really do, just find it somehow disheartening anyhow. Besides, give the nature of it, and how badly I botched it, might be better off if I flag my recent submission for deletion. Not like it was gonna be approved or anything.

I still think there are some people who downvote just because they can and not for any valid reason.

I don't know if it's really hard for admins to put a php page in the middle of the upload which checks the artist name in the DNP list and returns with a warning error "If you fucker upload this, you agree that it's not DNP."

This could cause less drama.

I see no reason to not provide some simple help mechanism that may cut down on DNP posts. Including a link to the list when attempting to upload would not be terribly intrusive and the list, as stated, is not the easiest item to find. The upload page is quite sparse so there is plenty of room for including a link. It would not be a difficult endeavor.

alirezatm said:
I don't know if it's really hard for admins to put a php page in the middle of the upload which checks the artist name in the DNP list and returns with a warning error "If you fucker upload this, you agree that it's not DNP."

This could cause less drama.

Ratte said:
I see no reason to not provide some simple help mechanism that may cut down on DNP posts. Including a link to the list when attempting to upload would not be terribly intrusive and the list, as stated, is not the easiest item to find. The upload page is quite sparse so there is plenty of room for including a link. It would not be a difficult endeavor.

That might not completely fix the problem because it seems like a fair amount of Avoid Posting violations are from users who don't know the artist of an image upon uploading. Such instances are only caught when another user recognizes the work. If you knowingly tag an artist and see that avoid_posting implicated to it, you can flag the image yourself and avoid flak for it.

Crediting artists is very important.

I would like to add to the chorus that I find the DNP list difficult to track down sometimes. It is in an unintuitive enough spot that I could only find it at first by googling "e621 DNP".

Which seems to me to be problematic. I agree that you don't need to hold user's hands, but I also feel like the DNP list is practically hidden.

Whats this topic about now? Someone wants to make their own booru because e621 has too many rules? Okay.
Have fun getting people to join your booru when there's nothing on it becase all your content was DNP on this website...

chdgs said:
That might not completely fix the problem because it seems like a fair amount of Avoid Posting violations are from users who don't know the artist of an image upon uploading. Such instances are only caught when another user recognizes the work. If you knowingly tag an artist and see that avoid_posting implicated to it, you can flag the image yourself and avoid flak for it.

Crediting artists is very important.

Nothing will ever "completely fix" a problem, but it can certainly help to cut down on the overall number of DNP-posting incidents, and it would not be at all difficult to implement to certain areas (home page and upload page in particular).

How to get to the DNP List in 2 steps:

- Click Wiki at the top

- "Avoid Posting List". First point on the list that should be a list

Seriously guys, it isn't that hard.

Xch3l said:
How to get to the DNP List in 2 steps:

- Click Wiki at the top

- "Avoid Posting List". First point on the list that should be a list

Seriously guys, it isn't that hard.

For someone who may be new, that is not exactly intuitive.

we could just add a link in the top bar that says 'Do Not Post List'

I usually fumble through https://e621.net/static/more looking for the DNP list since I can't ever remember where it is (except for when I remember it's linked with e6extend!).

Ratte said:
For someone who may be new, that is not exactly intuitive.

Tru dat...

Edit: Thinking about it more, it still isn't that difficult. I mean, there's a clear label that says "Wiki" and most people should know by now what a wiki is (thanks Wikipedia). Then again, the DNP List is linked inside the How to upload page, which is linked at the Upload page.

What I'm trying to say is that the DNP List is not that hidden, as some state, you just need to take like five minutes to read the rules to find it (not the Code Of Conduct, that takes longer).

Sure, it may not be as intuitive as we all would like but it just needs like 5mg of Common Sense plus a little bit of Reading to know where to go (if somebody reads to find the link that says "Upload", that same person can do it to find out what they can't upload). There even was a project that consisted in translating the main documentation to other languages for people whose mother language wasn't English but I can't remember if we got far on that (iirc, it was a suggestion and not many people agreed on)

yeah this site is easy to search and browse not like that mess furaffinity damn... and its all thanx to the rules so ...

Do we gotta put a giant

DNP LIST, CHECK IT

link on the upload page?

TheHuskyK9 said:
Do we gotta put a giant

DNP LIST, CHECK IT

link on the upload page?

I feel like just a regular text sized link would probably suffice. But what do I know?

Xch3l said:
How to get to the DNP List in 2 steps:

- Click Wiki at the top

- "Avoid Posting List". First point on the list that should be a list

Seriously guys, it isn't that hard.

Your response is basically like being asked to turn left, so you took three rights.
You really didn't solve anything - the people who don't know the DNP listing is there, AND they won't check this forum post to see that.

The above is especially relevant given that we have ESL posters. If it isn't right there, you MUST assume that they on average won't be aware of it.
This is generally true for any streamlined process. If it isn't right there, it's functionally nonexistent.

So yes, DNP LIST, CHECK IT might not be a bad idea. (as long as that text links to the DNP page)

Actinium-89 said:
Your response is basically like being asked to turn left, so you took three rights.
You really didn't solve anything - the people who don't know the DNP listing is there, AND they won't check this forum post to see that.

Yeah, I know I get disoriented pretty quickly, plus a tendency to do things difficult but that's beside the point. :T

I was just pointing out from where is the DNP List accessible. Also, it may be true that less than 10% of the whole userbase, let alone with a thread title like this one...

Chessax said:

Already in feature request thread but might have fallen between the cracks/didn't seem very important: forum #63970

This is actually a pretty high priority on my list of projects. I've already done some minor work on the takedown system, but I think it's a very good idea to have the DNP list more integrated into the site; both for users (to prevent things from getting uploaded in the first place), and to save admin time and work (not just with records and deletions, after takedowns are processed the avoid_posting implications and wiki still have to be added manually...which doesn't seem like it scales very well).

In the meantime, just having a direct link to it on the upload page would still be a good idea.

Xch3l said:
Yeah, I know I get disoriented pretty quickly, plus a tendency to do things difficult but that's beside the point. :T

I was just pointing out from where is the DNP List accessible. Also, it may be true that less than 10% of the whole userbase, let alone with a thread title like this one...

I remember one particular night where I had even more lack of sleep than usual and wound up looking at the user records because I knew I would find it right away. :x

aurel said:
How common are dnp cases? one in a thousand? one in a hundred? one in a fifty?

We get around 2-5 DNP posts per day on average, most of them new users.

aurel said:
Okay, it doesnt matter if dnp list is accessible or not, it doesnt matter if users know how to find it.
How common are dnp cases? one in a thousand? one in a hundred? one in a fifty?
Even at one in a fifty, new users are going to be pissed at constantly checking up dnp list, and nearly always returning false.
Thats for new users.. old users? well
"Its every members dream to retire as a mighty contributor".. well, I guess you cant do that with a -4 record.. .. I wonder, how long would I need to dig, to find a user, which blantly does not care about any rules anymore, after getting a huge negative record?
.. no, its not me :<
..
Soo... autochecking app? pleaaase?

Golden secrets of the site code

Ratte said:
Nothing will ever "completely fix" a problem, but it can certainly help to cut down on the overall number of DNP-posting incidents, and it would not be at all difficult to implement to certain areas (home page and upload page in particular).

Such a thing will only help if the uploader can identify the artist in the first place.

To reiterate: I've noticed that most Avoid Posting violations are because the uploader does not know the artist's name. Mainly in cases they're getting their images from 3rd-party sources like imageboards. You cannot know if a piece of art is DNP if you don't know the name of the artist.

Providing a proper source is important. Not only to properly credit artists or as a convenience for other users to comment or fave on the original submission page, but also to ensure that whatever you're posting is publicly available without a paywall.

Even when you can identify the artist and verify they're not on the Avoid Posting list, you might be violating the Avoid Posting rule by posting paid content under two years old. Some users unknowingly upload Patreon-exclusive content by non-DNP artists that they find on other sites.

Got to watch out for reblogs or reposts, too. Some users accidentally credit a reblogger or commissioner as the artist of DNP works. Example: post #693386 erroneously credited PlayTooMuch as the artist, but the source credits Eroborus (DNP) as the artist.

A fair amount of works accidentally credit commissioners as the artist simply because they were found in their galleries. Commissioners always credit the actual artist in the descriptions when they upload. Finding out who the actual artist is requires a little extra reading. A few more examples of reposts or reblogs crediting the wrong person: (1) (2) (3)

Some users just lack the diligence needed to post without infraction.