I'm curious, what is the stance on posting doujin material (past the 2 year date of course) of other artists that were featured in Doujin with Tojyo? Are those considered DNP or not?

When it comes to compilations or collaborations only the parts of the specific artist are DNP.

In case of Doujin that means if there is a story made by Tojyo then only that story is DNP, all other stories by other artists are fine to post.

NotMeNotYou said:
When it comes to compilations or collaborations only the parts of the specific artist are DNP.

In case of Doujin that means if there is a story made by Tojyo then only that story is DNP, all other stories by other artists are fine to post.

Thank you for the clarification.

NotMeNotYou said:
When it comes to compilations or collaborations only the parts of the specific artist are DNP.

In case of Doujin that means if there is a story made by Tojyo then only that story is DNP, all other stories by other artists are fine to post.

Ko-san said:
Thank you for the clarification.

If that is the case, the wiki should be edited to be made clear. My understanding of the wiki is that so long as it is a collaboration it's DNP if any party considers it such.

Though on searching, it seems like Tojyo may be the effective owner of the circle which publishes these collaborations anyway, as far as I can tell.

Reference page: (The home page of the circle goes back to Tojyo's pixiv profile)

Lyokira said:
Though on searching, it seems like Tojyo may be the effective owner of the circle which publishes these collaborations anyway, as far as I can tell.

Reference page: (The home page of the circle goes back to Tojyo's pixiv profile)

You are confusing a collaboration with an anthology. For example, Cross Epoch (Dragonball x One Piece) is a collaboration between Oda and Toriyama. Each had a hand in creating it, both having written and illustrated part of the story. Shonen Jump, however, is an Anthology as it is a collection of works from different authors who had no hand in creating each other's works. Just as well, a circle does not have a leader, rather it is a group that shares costs and profits on self published works. It is possible that Tojyo commissioned Nezumi for the work and then published and sold it for himself, but the takedown policy clearly states that just commissioning work does not mean you have the rights to it as well as Japanese law so Tojyo would need to provide proof that Nezumi has given him shared rights. As such, we've linked Tojyo to the takedown page and have translated it and the policies for him thanks to Wous.

If Tojyo has publishing and redistribution rights it stands to reason that he didn't just commission it, but that he obtained the rights to it.

Ko-san said:
You are confusing a collaboration with an anthology. For example, Cross Epoch (Dragonball x One Piece) is a collaboration between Oda and Toriyama. Each had a hand in creating it, both having written and illustrated part of the story. Shonen Jump, however, is an Anthology as it is a collection of works from different authors who had no hand in creating each other's works. Just as well, a circle does not have a leader, rather it is a group that shares costs and profits on self published works. It is possible that Tojyo commissioned Nezumi for the work and then published and sold it for himself, but the takedown policy clearly states that just commissioning work does not mean you have the rights to it as well as Japanese law so Tojyo would need to provide proof that Nezumi has given him shared rights. As such, we've linked Tojyo to the takedown page and have translated it and the policies for him thanks to Wous.

I'm just going to correct that part about a circle. A circle is effectively a small independant publisher, and they don't just publish their own works; Tojyo may be an artist in most of the works published by his circle, but not all of them. There're some works that are by a single artist (and not Tojyo), the only unifying factor is Tojyo. It then stands to reason that Tojyo is the leader of the group, and the group isn't directly affiliated with anyone else except with respect for specific works.

Regardless, the point remains that he has redistribution rights. Which is all that's required to well, restrict rights on redistribution.

The colophon at the end on the doujin lists Tojyo and only Tojyo as the copyright holder, while the other artists are credited and thanked for their contributions on the same page.

Yes, it seems artists do that as I've seen the same done in Michiyochi's and Mayoineko's cases. Studying the topic further, the publisher in this case would be the one who printed and binded the works. Considering a circle is a group of doujinka pooling together to publish work to save costs and increase profit, and that Tojyo has labled himself as the publisher, it can be assumed that The authors in his anthologies (and the few that only featured Astra) paid him to publish them on his private property. This is a a common occurrence, however, this doesn't actually make him a publisher but a producer. A producer is provided with the work of creating a salable product from an author's work and is paid for it but is not given rights while the Author retains the Copyright and Publishing rights. To be a publisher he would have to vie for rights and would normally pay the authors for their work for permission to sell it. Expanding on that thought, a publisher only holds pulication rights for as long as the author agrees to and that depends on whether the publisher is given "one-time" rights or another kind. In the case of "one-time" rights the publisher is only given the rights once and then the publishing rights revert back to the copyright holder. In case of another set of rights (ie. first rights, translation rights, etc) once the product goes out of publication or breeches contract, it does not automatically revert publication rights back to the copyright holder, but they can demand that the publisher make it available again or revert the rights. Though this all depends on whether Tojyo was actually given publication rights or if he's just a producer, which still requires proof that others have handed their rights over to him. On the other hand, electronic works cannot really fall under "out-of-print" as they are almost always available so, unless the Copyright Owners specify otherwise, those works should remain off this site.
(basically anything found here http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG01161.html)

Looks like Tojyo was successfully able to fill out the take-down request and the issue has settled. Thanks for the help Wous.

still a couple nezumi pics pending deletion. should that be changed from "Artist is on the avoid posting list." to publisher or whoever else made the request in cases like this since pretty much all of nezumi's other posts seem to be fine AND Nezumi is in fact NOT on the DNP listing at all. it's just tojyo, who made the takedown request, IS on the list.

^^
might want to clarify this from now own as it makes it confusing seeing the FFD reason "Artist is on the avoid posting list." when it wasn't the artist in question who issued the FFD. maybe have it say "Publisher is on the avoid posting list."?

edit: scratch that last part. that's already on the DNP lists.

Ko-san said:
Thanks for the help Wous.

"I was...running...through the six...with my...WOUS!"

TheHuskyK9 said:
"I was...running...through the six...with my...WOUS!"

Bad pun

Hah.

Tojyo never said a word back to me. I can live with that.

wous said:
Hah.

\o/