Cut it the fuck out. Seriously. Usually I can vote them back into visibility, but this time I can't, which means suddenly there's more than one doing it.

People have to make a living. He's doing good art, he's doing it for cheap, he's doing it at a reasonable pace, and he listens to what the commissioner wants, swapping sketches and even redoing parts of finished images as many times as I ask him to, just to make sure I'm happy.

He's a good guy who's down on his luck, and he deserves a break. So stop being sloppy vinegared dickbiters and leave his comments alone.

How high are the chances that the same people who downvote his advertising will either read this or change their behaviour after reading it?

There is, however, the option to let an admin check that and then maybe straighten the person(s) out.

NotMeNotYou said:
How high are the chances that the same people who downvote his advertising will either read this or change their behaviour after reading it?

It made me feel better to vent.

NotMeNotYou said:
There is, however, the option to let an admin check that and then maybe straighten the person(s) out.

They have the right to be dicks using the tools available, so there's not really anything an admin would do about it. As much as it's a shitty thing for them to do, it's not actually harassment.

Upvoted them.

BTW

In post #283840 Foobaria said:
Do not remove the tag friendship_is_magic: This character is in that style, and some people may have that term blacklisted without having my_little_pony blacklisted.

OC characters alone don't get fim tag only mlp.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
OC characters alone don't get fim tag only mlp.

That doesn't make sense, though: If they can't be tagged FIM because they're not part of the actual show, then how could they be tagged MLP? They're not part of any of the series.

How else could that art style be tagged, though? There has to be a reliable way for somebody to blacklist those images, and they may want to blacklist the new style but not the original generation from back in the 80s.

Foobaria said:
That doesn't make sense, though: If they can't be tagged FIM because they're not part of the actual show, then how could they be tagged MLP? They're not part of any of the series.

How else could that art style be tagged, though? There has to be a reliable way for somebody to blacklist those images, and they may want to blacklist the new style but not the original generation from back in the 80s.

forum #44264
e.g. Cutie mark is enough to tag it mlp.

And I'm skeptical about tagging styles. What next? Sonic style? Pokemon style? And how to objectively say, is it enough mlp style or not. If someone have problem with fim style then he or she can blacklist all mlp, and from time to time drop blacklist to see if there's old style artwork.

It's one thing to post it every once in a while, but when he spams it with every image he posts then it becomes obvious he's using E621 for free advertising, and that's annoying.

Also, lol at you telling people to stop using the comment voting system for what it was intended because it hurts your butt.

Digital_Kindness said:
Also, lol at you telling people to stop using the comment voting system for what it was intended because it hurts your butt.

So then, "lol" at you expressing their opinion to someone who is expressing their opinion? When did I say they shouldn't use "the comment voting system for what it was intended"? I was trying to convince them to change their opinion.

And for the record, in my OPINION, someone who is contributing free art to the site has the priviledge to make a little comment on it. You can't call one comment per image "spamming". Spamming would be posting on images he didn't upload, posting more than once, posting on the forum, or whatever. This is nothing more than annotation.

Foobaria said:
They have the right to be dicks using the tools available, so there's not really anything an admin would do about it. As much as it's a shitty thing for them to do, it's not actually harassment.

Rules Subsection: (Voting)

• You are free to do what you want with your one vote per submission. However, using alts to cheat the system in any manner is not permitted, and will be met with disciplinary action.
• In addition, do not target specific users and mass-downvote their posts. This is considered harassment and will be treated as such.

This may be for posts primary but I doubt that this wouldn't be worth a shot.

Digital_Kindness said:
It's one thing to post it every once in a while, but when he spams it with every image he posts then it becomes obvious he's using E621 for free advertising, and that's annoying.

Digital_Kindness said:
obvious he's using E621 for free advertising

It is his art and his uploads, you can't really blame someone for giving something away for free and saying, "I could draw you something of your own if you would like me to."

Foobaria said:
When did I say they shouldn't use "the comment voting system for what it was intended"?

See:

Foobaria said:
To the jackasses downvoting Smudge Proof's upload comments:

Cut it the fuck out. Seriously.

I think you're getting a little overworked over this, and need to step back from the computer and take a deep breath. You're taking people downvoting comments a little too seriously for it to be healthy.

This is the way the commenting system works; if enough people don't like a comment and downvote it, it effectively becomes invisible for people who have their comment vote threshold set to the default value. The content of the comment is irrelevant; what matters is that enough people think it's annoying enough that they've seen fit to downvote it, thus the system is working as intended whether you feel personally slighted by it or not.

I'm sorry the guy is down on his luck, but you can't blame the system for being used as it was intended to be used. If he's really that eager to get commissions, have him go to Inkbunny or FA or even DeviantArt. The admins smack down images that contain advertising in them, why would it be any different that people wouldn't want to see it in comments?

Also, what would have been more effective would have been a forum post explaining the need for help, not defending bad commenting appropriately voted down. The forum usually lets more things slide unless it rubs an admin the wrong way :P

Even if you want them to stop they won't people are assholes on the internet but you just have to deal with it

DarkFallenWolf said:
Even if you want them to stop they won't people are assholes on the internet but you just have to deal with it

It's not "the internet" it's e621, you can get ban for being an asshole. And, as NotMeNotYou said, there are even rules for voting. Maybe it would be better idea to fill appropriate user info section, but it don't deserves treating as spam, or this ticket

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
this ticket

See, that pisses me off. I understand it, but it still pisses me off.

He charges less than half what other artists of his skill charge, he's more willing to listen to commissioner input and desires, and he draws things most other artists wouldn't touch. If it weren't for him posting on one of his comments that he was doing cheap, fast commissions, I never would have even bothered to look at him.

I've wanted these images drawn for years, long before I even heard of FIM, and this was like an opportunity placed directly into my hands to give me something I'd wanted but could never get. Imagine how many more people like me there might be out there, with ideas but very little to spend, and here's this guy who can make it happen.

Internet or not, this is still the real world, and some limited unobtrusive advertisement has a place and a value. Hell, free sites like this exist exclusively because of such advertisement, and third-party at that.

Foobaria said:
Internet or not, this is still the real world, and some limited unobtrusive advertisement has a place and a value. Hell, free sites like this exist exclusively because of such advertisement, and third-party at that.

And how happy would you be if every artist started doing this?

Artists can, and do, put commission information in their picture and they're sourced with a link. That's limited unobtrusive advertisement. What SmudgeProof is doing is essentially spam. It's not something worth reporting or mass downvoting over, but it's still spam.

DrHorse said:
And how happy would you be if every artist started doing this?

One more comment at each picture?! I'm leaving this site forevah!!!
Really? One more comment is such a big deal? If that's the case maybe we should limit total number of comments. Limit will be based on account type, and average score of user's comments.

Don't get me wrong. I know that there are better solutions that what he's doing but calling it a spam is bullshit. Though I will wait till admins will say something on that matter. To me one comment just after uploading is okay, though I, personally, would prefer if he add himself to "is this user" list, and keep that information in his user profile.

Artists can, and do, put commission information in their picture (...) That's limited unobtrusive advertisement.

Hahaha.
No.

Uhh... :I

So there is a bad pony artist that begs for comission money by spamming the comments and someone got angry and downvoted them?
Lol. That downvoting is rightsome. Keep your spam away or get on the dnp list.

Meanwhile fastrack37d and wolfblade are getting like 400 british pounds for drawing a foursome collab and selling 2 characters in it.
That guy should seriously think about changing his career.

The comments section is meant to be exactly that: a place for comments about the posted image. Its purpose is not as an advertising section for artists, no matter how starving. The very fact that an artist's "advertisement" can be voted down and hidden is proof enough that that section is probably not the best place to put it.

That said, e621 already offers several tools to help link artists up with potential commissioners. The Artists section contains an entry for every artist tag on e621 and then some. Each of those entries has an Edit button that links to a page with, among other tools, a Notes box. That box is directly linked to the artist's wiki page and he or she is free to put whatever information he or she wants (within site rules) there. Additionally, artists can use the About Me and My Prices boxes in their profile settings if they want to advertise their services on their user profile as well.

TL;DR We already have tools for this sort of thing. The comments section is not a market place.

There are no restrictions on a user's downvoting rights. They have hourly limits, sure, but they can downvote or upvote whomever they want and for whatever reason they choose at any time. And we will never penalize them for this.

ippiki_ookami said:
There are no restrictions on a user's downvoting rights. They have hourly limits, sure, but they can downvote or upvote whomever they want and for whatever reason they choose at any time. And we will never penalize them for this.

This sort of defeats the purpose of a blacklist, since people usually have the option of hiding whatever posts they're down-voting

Which could imply that they're doing it purposely; a situation that could've otherwise been avoided

titaniachkt said:
This sort of defeats the purpose of a blacklist, since people usually have the option of hiding whatever posts they're down-voting

Which could imply that they're doing it purposely; a situation that could've otherwise been avoided

He's talking about comments, not posts.

All other issues aside, I have to say that the amount of whiteknighting in this thread is downright hilarious.

Well now I'm just going to downvote every one of them for the shits and the giggles.

Dear diary:

Today I learned that opinions are like assholes: Everybody has one, and they are usually full of crap.

Good to have reinforced that the Internet is about as mature as your average middle school.

Foobaria said:
Dear diary:

Today I learned that opinions are like assholes: Everybody has one, and they are usually full of crap.

Good to have reinforced that the Internet is about as mature as your average middle school.

Yeah+

Foobaria said:
Dear diary:

Today I learned that opinions are like assholes: Everybody has one, and they are usually full of crap.

Good to have reinforced that the Internet is about as mature as your average middle school.

You helped reinforce that too :)

CamKitty said:
You helped reinforce that too :)

I won't deny that.