A guy from YouTube to who I'm subscribed makes some videos about the lulz side of DeviantART which I find really funny to look at, however very recently he did a video about 8Horns and how he posts child pornography on DeviantART and how outraged he is that this dude has been on DA for 12 years and no actions were done to him. The backlash from the video was gigantic, causing him to, from what I can see (Mostly from the avatar removal) simply leave DA. I think he also removed the very guilty pictures he had out there too, but I can't be sure of that since I never looked at his DA profile before, leaving this journal as a memento.

Just to clarify, the guy on YouTube never sent the viewers to attack him, he did send them to report/flag the content. However, he did say that these kind of people should be arrested and jailed.

While I don't agree how drawing porn of young characters should get you arrested, and his art being called child porn for the matter (I actually read the Protect ACT and it specially states what is child porn or not, and drawn pictures of cartoon characters that are not human are not considered child porn) I did agree with how this kind of stuff should never have been uploaded on DA since the rules specially mentions to not upload any kind of pornographic pictures anyway, and people actually told him just that many times before.

He apparently received death threats from people, and the guy who did the video has put it on private, but the harm has already been done, and probably was this bad for 8Horns to just leave DA for good, thought the journal kind of makes it seem like he won't leave at all, but the avatar removal is kind of suspicious still

I love how the commenters on the journal repeatedly referred to his drawings as "child porn," despite the fact that in order for it to qualify as such, it requires photographic images of *real children* or a facsimile that looks indistinguishable from one, such as in a highly well-done photomanip. I went to the artist's IB page, and his stuff doesn't even come close to that level of realism.

But then again, expecting these SJW idiots to be swayed in their "holy" crusades by pesky little distractions like *facts* and such really is unrealistic at best.

What bothers me more than anything else about this whole debate in general is how so many of the anti-child-porn gang, as you called them, make the fallacious "gateway drug" argument that drawn cartoon art will somehow open the door to the real thing. Despite the fact that this argument has been repeatedly debunked, they just keep right on screaming it from the rooftops as if it were proven fact.

*smh*

What's up with humans and empty death threats? It seems like the go-to option every time a person doesn't like what another person is doing or making. Seems rather childish.

Just recently, I've been getting these empty death threats on Youtube just because my avatar is a furry. I don't know whether to find it disappointing or hilarious.

TheHuskyK9 said:
What's up with humans and empty death threats? It seems like the go-to option every time a person doesn't like what another person is doing or making. Seems rather childish.

I'm going to poop on your prized possessions. It's going to be a "smear campaign".

TheHuskyK9 said:
What's up with humans and empty death threats? It seems like the go-to option every time a person doesn't like what another person is doing or making. Seems rather childish.

Just recently, I've been getting these empty death threats on Youtube just because my avatar is a furry. I don't know whether to find it disappointing or hilarious.

You'd be amazed at the horrible things people will say and do just to win a petty dispute online. The worst I got was a couple years ago, when some smartass teenager I was dominating in a TF2 match accused me of molesting a child, just so he could beat me. It's one of the prices of online anonymity.

TheHuskyK9 said:
What's up with humans and empty death threats? It seems like the go-to option every time a person doesn't like what another person is doing or making.

When you don't have any power, openly admit you'd try to get someone killed so you can pretend you have some.

Bluffing in the lowest denominator.

TheHuskyK9 said:
What's up with humans and empty death threats? It seems like the go-to option every time a person doesn't like what another person is doing or making. Seems rather childish.

Just recently, I've been getting these empty death threats on Youtube just because my avatar is a furry. I don't know whether to find it disappointing or hilarious.

Aoms Yee's child pornography video...i got attacked by several people and why you may ask? because i dared to discuss the controversial and taboo topic of child pornography. one guy even went so far as to accuse ME of being a pedo for that reason alone. but of course i didn't let that stop me from talking about it.

controversial...taboo...bah! all those who were attacking me wanted was to silence me pretty much. oh no, i dared to utter words related to a topic you don't like. i guess that means i deserve to be attacked and silenced. pfft, as i said there in the comments: hiding from and silencing discussion of topics you don't like doesn't solve anything, doesn't help anything, and likely leaves the related problems to fester and worsen over time. that is not a solution to anything and it just shows you to be rather cowardly among other things.

yes, i look at drawn pics of characters under the age of 18 sometimes but don't we all at some point in this region of the internet? taking into account what you said, InannaEloah, about what would be needed for such pics to qualify as actual child porn. i think it's fair to say that i've never once looked at REAL child porn anywhere on the internet before. closest i've come to that was probably hearing about or reading about it popping up sometimes.

or possibly 3d art but that's typically not all that high quality and a lot of the under 18 characters i've come across in that art form tend to be low quality or (depending on the artist...who shouldn't be allowed to create such boner killing images) have faces born of nightmare fuel. seriously, beware the dark side of 3d art on exhentai, it is EVIL.

thank goodness i don't live in somewhere like russia where anything drawn with something such as an anime character with oversized eyes can be considered CP. >.> who knows where the censorship would end in such a place.

I'm going to be completely honest here, I rarely ever see anyone get as fired up as furries do whenever the topic of "drawn child pornography" is brought up.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's not to preserve its artistic merit or what not. I just don't see a winning side for the people on this side.

Here's how I see it, it's really fucked up regardless. Hell, I have a lot of cub images fav'd, and that's probably to do with because I'm probably fucked up. Rape porn exists, and I know that the person isn't actually being raped, but the whole "point" of the fantasy is to believe that it is real. That's what the person is getting off to. I realize that censorship is awful, but sometimes you gotta take a step back and see how messed up the whole thing is.

The only way to solve it is to watch porn only in the missionary position with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation, as God intended.

InannaEloah said:
YoThe worst I got was a couple years ago, when some smartass teenager I was dominating in a TF2 match accused me of molesting a child

Well, you were molesting him in the game ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Zenti said:
Well, you were molesting him in the game ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

LMAO

While I do agree that hardcore porn (such as sex, erect/spread genitals) on a site like dA must be taken down because it breaks their Terms-of-Service (I do draw furry loli porn but I never post them on dA because of that very obvious reason), the way they react to it however is like over-exaggeration times 10 because doing crack-downs against CP, even if its just drawn art of fictional characters, is the hottest thing to do these days because of course it had to. The way how they worded it out is like accusing someone as a rapist because that person drew rape porn of fictional characters or accusing furry artists as zoophiles because they made furry porn and fap to it.

I see this as a cheap way of making those involved in their little Anti-CP Gang feel like 'heroes' and get compliments all around for their actions of taking down drawn loli art of fictional characters instead of, y'know, taking down real CP, since they comply to a popular opinion that cannot be defied by facts regardless... I find that sickening sometimes when it comes to society.

If I ever encounter a person who thinks drawn cartoon CP is just as bad as real CP because of stupid reasons like such fantasies somehow transcending to the real world like what InnaEloah said (which, with that mentality, all furries must be into real-life bestiality then), I'd personally punch them in the face whenever possible, or only when they get fired up on me.

Little update : 8Horns made a journal few days ago "addressing" the issue. From what I can read, he's playing the victim card and is now accusing this Solar Sand guy (The one who did the video) of being a troll and a bully (When, once again, didn't attack him at all beside saying this kind of "child porn" stuff is against DA rules, which from what he showed on the video now private, were obviously against the rules) and is actually now the one doing an attack rally asking people to report his YouTube channel since "he's potentially dangerous".

Seems like I will have to add this one person to my ever growing list of insecure artists after reading this pretty funny pity journal

Neitsuke said:
Little update : 8Horns made a journal few days ago "addressing" the issue. From what I can read, he's playing the victim card and is now accusing this Solar Sand guy (The one who did the video) of being a troll and a bully (When, once again, didn't attack him at all beside saying this kind of "child porn" stuff is against DA rules, which from what he showed on the video now private, were obviously against the rules) and is actually now the one doing an attack rally asking people to report his YouTube channel since "he's potentially dangerous".

Seems like I will have to add this one person to my ever growing list of insecure artists after reading this pretty funny pity journal

It one thing to warn the artist, its quite another entirely in making a video about the artist that can be considered a passive attack on the artist and could very well lead to a legal conviction against the maker of the video for slander if the artist suffers financial damages on other sites unrelated to DA as a result.

Then everything in this world can be considered an attack.
He never sent anyone to attack, he said that pictures like these shouldn't be on DA and should be reported.
If 8Horns wants to convict someone for damages then he should convict those idiots who actually attacked him with death treads, and not the person who called out the artist for having pictures against DA and never sent anyone for attacks, which 8Horns is actually doing now with that journal.

From the comments below, he really doesn't want to understand how some of his pictures are against DA's rules and every time someone points that out, he evades the question, insults the comment, calls it troll or claims that's not the case at all, all of which sounds like he's playing the victim card now

Lance_Armstrong said:
I'm going to poop on your prized possessions. It's going to be a "smear campaign".

Good lord, that pun was absolute garbage.

Neitsuke said:
Little update : 8Horns made a journal few days ago "addressing" the issue. From what I can read, he's playing the victim card and is now accusing this Solar Sand guy (The one who did the video) of being a troll and a bully (When, once again, didn't attack him at all beside saying this kind of "child porn" stuff is against DA rules, which from what he showed on the video now private, were obviously against the rules) and is actually now the one doing an attack rally asking people to report his YouTube channel since "he's potentially dangerous".

Seems like I will have to add this one person to my ever growing list of insecure artists after reading this pretty funny pity journal

"HATE ME ALL YOU WANT ! It's ok I feed on it . "

^^This line by 8Horns in his journal says it all.

If you feed on the hatred of others, you're a troll. 8Horns just shot himself in the foot.

Neitsuke said:
Then everything in this world can be considered an attack.
He never sent anyone to attack, he said that pictures like these shouldn't be on DA and should be reported.
If 8Horns wants to convict someone for damages then he should convict those idiots who actually attacked him with death treads, and not the person who called out the artist for having pictures against DA and never sent anyone for attacks, which 8Horns is actually doing now with that journal.

From the comments below, he really doesn't want to understand how some of his pictures are against DA's rules and every time someone points that out, he evades the question, insults the comment, calls it troll or claims that's not the case at all, all of which sounds like he's playing the victim card now

Please dont exaggerate what i actually said neitsuke. Also might i point out that a "call out" is nothing other then a attack and people have actually been sued for doing stuff like this thru entries on sites like yelp that speak negatively about a companies, restaurant and others... This is tantamount to vigilantly justice which more often then not is considered a crime in itself that will get the perpetrator in trouble with the law rather then the accused. Proper would have been to simply notify the DA staff and leave it at that.
Might i add again (concerning his comments) that it is not peoples responsibility or place to be arguing with or warning the accused, it is the staff who are responsible, and everyone arguing should instead be reporting, not talking to the guy, and it is in their interest to act as DA in turn could face criminal charges if they know of the issue and allow it to continue.

Ruku said:
It one thing to warn the artist, its quite another entirely in making a video about the artist that can be considered a passive attack on the artist and could very well lead to a legal conviction against the maker of the video for slander if the artist suffers financial damages on other sites unrelated to DA as a result.

pretty much this. if you make and upload a video to which you KNOW, or at least have a pretty good idea how, your fans/subscribers might react to in such a negative manner and you proceed to upload it anyway then yeah, it partly is you the uploader's fault for the artist getting attacked. should serve as a lesson to be more careful about your content but...how likely is that to happen?

the best solution would've been to merely report the artist and move on but nope, instead it left things divided between those who would continue to attack and shame the guy regardless of whether they reported him and those who wouldn't and would even try to stop that from happening.

of course, theres also the topic in question (CP) where (from what i can tell) the typical reaction seems to be "attack and/or shame first, ask questions later, if at all". and it's funny how you'd never see such a reaction from anything gore/mutilation/etc. related in artwork. that stuffs all perfectly fine but if someone draws 2 fictional underage characters, suddenly it's the end of the world and everything devolves quite quickly into vile, hateful, chaos.

well, not here of course but on more..."normal" art websites, yeah.

treos said:
of course, theres also the topic in question (CP) where (from what i can tell) the typical reaction seems to be "attack and/or shame first, ask questions later, if at all". and it's funny how you'd never see such a reaction from anything gore/mutilation/etc. related in artwork. that stuffs all perfectly fine but if someone draws 2 fictional underage characters, suddenly it's the end of the world and everything devolves quite quickly into vile, hateful, chaos.

well, not here of course but on more..."normal" art websites, yeah.

tried making that point during the whole "lets boycot FN because it allows CP" hype crap a couple months ago. but was all but ignored. It is kinda interesting how the community always knee-jerks on banning something and accusing all makers of crime without any legal basis while ignoring other more controversial content...

But then again as I said everything can be seen as an attack if that's really the case. A lot of artist parodied the terrorist attacks in the newspaper, should they just not draw them and call the police instead of expression their opinion even if they knew there was the possibility for the readers to be outraged by the message behind the drawing ?

Yes it can get you into legal troubles, but very, very often, these people do that because they know you don't know your rights. Because unless you're committing Libel you cannot get arrested for speaking up your mind against someone, negatively or not.

Yes, asking people to report the guy (Which is what he kind of actually asked people to do) maybe wasn't the best idea, but again, he is not responsible for the furious AntiChildPorn club who are the ones who did the bad stuff here, but the way 8Horns is reacting to it by actually attacking the guy, calling him a troll and denying that some of his stuff is against Da rules is even worse in that regard

Ruku said:
tried making that point during the whole "lets boycot FN because it allows CP" hype crap a couple months ago. but was all but ignored. It is kinda interesting how the community always knee-jerks on banning something and accusing all makers of crime without any legal basis while ignoring other more controversial content...

as well as trying to silence and attack those who would oppose such a reaction. you try and calm things down and those on the offense will attack and make baseless assumptions about you just as much as the original target of the attacks. some even going so far as to accuse you of defending that which they are against and even accusing of BEING that which they're against as well.

if i had to guess...even the site admin might even get caught up and start being attacked if they made even one misstep in handling the situation.

there really is no peaceful solution to such a situation. as no matter what anyone does, someone will always be attacked and/or shamed, others will get caught in the crossfire, and yet more will either press the attack or remain silent on the sidelines (a smart move but...it doesn't really pose a solution to the matter at hand. and theres no guaranteeing this too won't get you caught in the crossfire in some way.) until someone such as the admin step in and end it with force in some way or another.

Witch hunts. Witch hunts everywere... Also doing a video on someone who is drawing "taboo" art your fans are going to get sand in threr butt and attack the person. Its standered human behavior. "this person is different. this person isnt an exact moral cutout of me and so they must "die"" The internet today everyone.

EinTheCorgi said:
"this person is different. this person isn't an exact moral cutout of me and so they must "die"" The internet today everyone.

just one of the reasons i wish i had been born into a better species than stupid humans. oh and i'm pretty sure that's not just an internet thing but irl too since...people are stupid and shows themselves to be so rather frequently.

He again made a new journal] and again (Okay oops just noticed, he made two journals the same day and I completely skipped over one of them, so I'm basically repeating myself here) isn't adding anything to the issue, like saying "Solar Sand is not really an artist [...] I thought he was" as if it actually has any relevancy at all on the situation. He's once again attack him and calling him a troll and claims that all of his pictures are fine with the rules (Some of them actually got deleted since) while a lot of them clearly are notTo make things clear :
- No, I don't think what he's drawing is child porn (Well, except some very more human-like pictures but they still are not technically child porn) and it is annoying to see everyone claiming that he's drawing child porn, however best way to understand their case is to replace that with "pedo" and, it makes a little more sense to why people are against his pictures [being uploaded on DA]
- I am perfectly fine with what he's drawing and don't consider him a pedo (At least on a matter of real life aspect) for drawing that kind of stuff. I am myself a fucking perv and I can basically hump anything imaginable, from dog-like Pokemon to popsicle girls. Drawing that kind of stuff doesn't mean that I want to fuck my chihuahua pet or splat my deek on some Creamsicle(R) on hot summer days, so does the same for him drawing young characters perversely
- My only "beef" with this guy is how he reacted poorly to the situation and claimed that his stuff is perfectly fine on DA while it is not the case ("Your stuff is against DA rules sir" Counter-argument : "It's what I do biatch !") calling him a troll and harassment for doing one video about how most of his pictures are pedoish and against DA rules and that they should get reported, while he's doing this exact behavior on his journals