I've been noticing a lot that people outside of e621 get really offended when I tell them what I see from my point of view. I've gotten so used to TWYS on this site that it's starting to seep into my own personal life.

That being said, is it a good thing, or should I keep my mouth shut and try not to trigger any "social justice warriors"?

Never bring the Internet to RL. The Internet is full of bloodthirsty beasts (SJWs), but the RL ones can't just be ignored or argued to; you can turn off the Internet but you can't turn off RL.

TWYS is a concept for identifying posts. In RL, it is a cold argument, it doesn't show care for what another person thinks or says. So, don't bring it to RL. Of course, you should never bring up those topics to begin with...

I can't fully answer the question at hand without potentially triggering SJWs who could argue that TWYS is flawed when compared to RL, so this is the best I'll give ATM.

Nikolaithefur said:
I've been noticing a lot that people outside of e621 get really offended when I tell them what I see from my point of view. I've gotten so used to TWYS on this site that it's starting to seep into my own personal life.

That being said, is it a good thing, or should I keep my mouth shut and try not to trigger any "social justice warriors"?

SJWS are so self absorbed in their hate that tbh theyre just something to be ignored. All they do is spew garbage at people and hate on groups that they pretend to be protecting or helping.

Dunno how they're related to the discussion here though.

Define what you mean by using twys irl?

If you see a tree it's a tree? I guess.

Unless this is more gender discourse.

If you're intentionally misgendering people especially after they told you their pronouns? Thats not their problem and that's not sjw bullshit. Thats just you not paying attention and being rude.

IMO, the correct thing to do is go with what you see first(EG: TWYS) in real life. EG: Looks like a guy, sounds like a guy, it's a guy. Looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, it's a girl. Unsure, refer to them as they/them.
HOWEVER, If they politely ask for you to use their preferred pronouns, please do so. It's not much to ask unless they are asking for some weird stuff like(Zhexor/Zhexes).
BUT, If they are rude about it, feel free to ignore their request and/or just stop talking to them entirely. Society was built around people being called he/her based around what they appear to be, people don't magically know what pronoun people want so being rude about it isn't going to help.

Honestly I don't care what people refer to me as, call me a he or a she, a they or a it, it doesn't bother me. :3

--edit--
I should really finish my before hitting post.

Chaser said:
IMO, the correct thing to do is go with what you see first(EG: TWYS) in real life. EG: Looks like a guy, sounds like a guy, it's a guy. Looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, it's a girl. Unsure, refer to them as they/them.
HOWEVER, If they politely ask for you to use their preferred pronouns, please do so. It's not much to ask

This is probably the best explanation I've heard, but I'd like to add to it.

Don't make a big deal out of mistakes in gendering, just correct it and move on. Mentioning the mistake over and over again only prolongs the awkwardness and (if they are actually trans) dysphoria. More often then not they will really really appreciate you not making a big deal out of it.

GDelscribe said:

If you're intentionally misgendering people especially after they told you their pronouns? Thats not their problem and that's not sjw bullshit. Thats just you not paying attention and being rude.

This is probably one of the worst things that you can do.

Mistakes happen though, and a little bit of effort on your part can give them a huge feeling of support, even if you accidentally misgender them more often than not.

Nikolaithefur said:
I've been noticing a lot that people outside of e621 get really offended when I tell them what I see from my point of view. I've gotten so used to TWYS on this site that it's starting to seep into my own personal life.

Explaining your point of view on things troughfully makes it easier for other party to understand your opinions better, even if they still disagree with them.

However I'm pretty sure TWYS is the rule because computers are objective things and need objective data to be useful, making super objective and literal search engine to be more useful, so I wouldn't 1:1 copy that kind of stuff into IRL. Looking at everything only by the face value, without taking everything related into things into any value is REALLY bad thing IRL.

parasprite said:
This is probably the best explanation I've heard, but I'd like to add to it.

Don't make a big deal out of mistakes in gendering, just correct it and move on. Mentioning the mistake over and over again only prolongs the awkwardness and (if they are actually trans) dysphoria. More often then not they will really really appreciate you not making a big deal out of it.

In case you're wondering, yes this is all from personal experience. I'm proud to be a trans girl.

Edit: Eh why not. Ask me anything.

This is probably one of the worst things that you can do.

Mistakes happen though, and a little bit of effort on your part can give them a huge feeling of support, even if you accidentally misgender them more often than not.

I have a FTM Brother, so I've heard all about misgendering people...

Honestly in just about every circumstance, real life or otherwise, "try to be nice to people" is generally enough to get you through most situations.

Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree. Doesn't matter if you think they're being too sensitive, or if you're worried you'll come off as too easily offended. The particular circumstances, the specific issues at play, none of that matters. Just try to be nice.

It's honestly pretty simple.

Clawdragons said:
Honestly in just about every circumstance, real life or otherwise, "try to be nice to people" is generally enough to get you through most situations.

Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree. Doesn't matter if you think they're being too sensitive, or if you're worried you'll come off as too easily offended. The particular circumstances, the specific issues at play, none of that matters. Just try to be nice.

It's honestly pretty simple.

^
More or less. Be kind. Life's too damn rough and too short to be an asshole about things and tbh things would be a lot easier for everyone if everyone were just a little bit nicer sometimes.

GDelscribe said:
^
More or less. Be kind. Life's too damn rough and too short to be an asshole about things and tbh things would be a lot easier for everyone if everyone were just a little bit nicer sometimes.

I think it really depends on the topic. If it's something that needs to be TWYS'd, then I'd do it. However, everybody's ideas of pressing topics is different.

_{^{I guess you could say it's too [o]subjective[/o]..}}

Nikolaithefur said:
I think it really depends on the topic. If it's something that needs to be TWYS'd, then I'd do it. However, everybody's ideas of pressing topics is different.

_{^{I guess you could say it's too [o]subjective[/o]..}}

I think the problem im having is you still haven't explained what you're referring to.

Like. I dunno how twys applies in any situation other than hey look a squirrel. Its like...

Is this a pigeon?

Nikolaithefur said:
I have a FTM Brother, so I've heard all about misgendering people...

I'm insanely jealous of trans males because their voice and facial hair change with hormones. :(

parasprite said:
I'm insanely jealous of trans males because their voice and facial hair change with hormones. :(

Yeah, his voice has gotten deeper faster than mine did when I was growing up... I'm actually kinda scared a little...

GDelscribe said:
I think the problem im having is you still haven't explained what you're referring to.

Like. I dunno how twys applies in any situation other than hey look a squirrel. Its like...

Is this a pigeon?

I was thinking TWYS in the social sense. We can only know who/what something is initially by the way they/it presents themselves/itself until we get to know them better. For example, I used to only know Japan as Technology central and being insanely over-populated. That what until I learned more about their culture, and actually met someone from Japan. I guess what I did would be considered TWYK, but eh...

Nikolaithefur said:
Yeah, his voice has gotten deeper faster than mine did when I was growing up... I'm actually kinda scared a little...

I was thinking TWYS in the social sense. We can only know who/what something is initially by the way they/it presents themselves/itself until we get to know them better. For example, I used to only know Japan as Technology central and being insanely over-populated. That what until I learned more about their culture, and actually met someone from Japan. I guess what I did would be considered TWYK, but eh...

It sounds like you're basically describing stereotyping people.

"I can see he's Asian, therefore by TWYS I'll assume he's good at math"

I hope that's not what you mean, but if it is, no. No that is not a good policy. It is, in fact, quite a bad policy.

Clawdragons said:
It sounds like you're basically describing stereotyping people.

"I can see he's Asian, therefore by TWYS I'll assume he's good at math"

I hope that's not what you mean, but if it is, no. No that is not a good policy. It is, in fact, quite a bad policy.

Under my definition of real-life TWYS, it does accommodate stereotyping, however in my OP, I was referring to the simple act of looking at things as the way they appear (not the way you think of them).

Say nothing to anybody, ever.

Nikolaithefur said:
Under my definition of real-life TWYS, it does accommodate stereotyping, however in my OP, I was referring to the simple act of looking at things as the way they appear (not the way you think of them).

Then no. It's not a good policy. Don't do that.

It's also not TWYS, as we define it on this site. Stereotyping would fall under TWYK. So yeah.

Mario69 said:
Explaining your point of view on things troughfully makes it easier for other party to understand your opinions better, even if they still disagree with them.

However I'm pretty sure TWYS is the rule because computers are objective things and need objective data to be useful, making super objective and literal search engine to be more useful, so I wouldn't 1:1 copy that kind of stuff into IRL.

Actually, TWYS is mainly about human psychology and the vagaries of definitions. If a definition can be argued about, you can always find people willing to argue it (not only that a given interpretation -may- be valid, but even that their interpretation is the only reasonable interpretation).

We TWYS so a) we minimize definitional arguments and b) we minimize the number of people saying 'I searched for X but I got Y! What is this bullshit?'.

It only affects computer efficiency insofar as avoiding proliferation of tags and annoyed people spamming alternate search terms.

TWYS has a history on e621: it wasn't always policy, and the above factors AFAIK were the main things that drove uniform adoption of TWYS.

OP: I would comment that a huge part of 'the way they appear' is how you think of them -- especially as we don't have the time to study IRL people that we might get to study an image.
So IRL "TWYS" seems usually impossible anyway (except in a zen sense - of *avoiding* labels because you rarely have the evidence to justify them) - you can't escape your own mind.

Nikolaithefur said:
Under my definition of real-life TWYS, it does accommodate stereotyping, however in my OP, I was referring to the simple act of looking at things as the way they appear (not the way you think of them).

Yeah I'm gonna agree with Lance and Clawdragons on this one. As I suspected from the beginning of the thread.

Theres no reasonable need to define how you perceive the world as twys. And I don't mean to be rude but. Thats a pretty quick justification for all manner of Ill will, racism sexism and etc

You should really consider maybe uh. Not.

Knowledge is power. And ignoring knowledge is by definition being ignorant.