By minimum quality standards what do you mean? I see a lot of shitty photos get approved, is it resolution? Mine was pretty big, 1600X1600+.. what do you want? Why delete them? I drew the picture for 3 days to get it deleted.
I'm confused.

RWPNub said:
By minimum quality standards what do you mean? I see a lot of shitty photos get approved, is it resolution? Mine was pretty big, 1600X1600+.. what do you want? Why delete them? I drew the picture for 3 days to get it deleted.
I'm confused.

What you just said was the image resolution. Just because a picture is big doesn't mean it's good in quality.

And here on e6, quality means the overall "artistic value" of the artwork. This is to see whether an artwork is good enough to be featured here, depending on the skills and time put into it so it doesn't look like a child's drawing.

If the approver(admin/janitor) thinks it's good enough to be here, then he will approve. But if they(depending on the approver ATM) don't think it's good enough then it would get denied and deleted.

Generally, with booru-type websites like this one, if somebody thinks your stuff is good enough, they'll post it for you. If you want someplace to regularly upload your work, you'd be better off sticking with FA or its like. Quality control is not enforced there.

I've posted my own stuff to other sites, but I've had no interest in posting any of it to e6 because it was all very rudimentary (And my latest work isn't even furry, so.)

good quality doesnt mean here image resolution. it means the quality of the content, you know how well its made and how good it looks.

How may I contact the Approver to help me improve it?

RWPNub said:
How may I contact the Approver to help me improve it?

there are multiple people working on approving images. not just one

RWPNub said:
How may I contact the Approver to help me improve it?

Your best chance at improvement would be to use a better program than paint, pretty much anything that allows a brush to smooth edges would help your art tremendously.

NotMeNotYou said:
Your best chance at improvement would be to use a better program than paint, pretty much anything that allows a brush to smooth edges would help your art tremendously.

Take a look at forum #179625 for what programs other people use for that.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
What you just said was the image resolution. Just because a picture is big doesn't mean it's good in quality.

And here on e6, quality means the overall "artistic value" of the artwork. This is to see whether an artwork is good enough to be featured here, depending on the skills and time put into it so it doesn't look like a child's drawing.

If the approver(admin/janitor) thinks it's good enough to be here, then he will approve. But if they(depending on the approver ATM) don't think it's good enough then it would get denied and deleted.

But its so opinion based and biased thats its not even funny. What about the people who may just start working on their artistic talents only for it to be shot down? I have a friend here who took days just to sketch a picture then days more to color and shade it digitally. Lots of people liked it but yet it didn't meet the apparent minimum quality standards. I can see people get so sick of it that they leave e6 for like furaffinity. I already lots of people doing that or going to deiviantart.

Luna678 said:
But its so opinion based and biased thats its not even funny. What about the people who may just start working on their artistic talents only for it to be shot down? I have a friend here who took days just to sketch a picture then days more to color and shade it digitally. Lots of people liked it but yet it didn't meet the apparent minimum quality standards. I can see people get so sick of it that they leave e6 for like furaffinity. I already lots of people doing that or going to deiviantart.

Who's your friend? I'd like to see the post in question.

Luna678 said:
But its so opinion based and biased thats its not even funny. What about the people who may just start working on their artistic talents only for it to be shot down? I have a friend here who took days just to sketch a picture then days more to color and shade it digitally. Lots of people liked it but yet it didn't meet the apparent minimum quality standards. I can see people get so sick of it that they leave e6 for like furaffinity. I already lots of people doing that or going to deiviantart.

you see... e6 is not a personal gallery site where everyone's stuff is allowed. this is a public art archive. think this as an art museum. ofc they would not want to display starting artist's dirt tier scribbles in a art museum because they have minimum quality standards too.

Luna678 said:
But its so opinion based and biased thats its not even funny. What about the people who may just start working on their artistic talents only for it to be shot down? I have a friend here who took days just to sketch a picture then days more to color and shade it digitally. Lots of people liked it but yet it didn't meet the apparent minimum quality standards. I can see people get so sick of it that they leave e6 for like furaffinity. I already lots of people doing that or going to deiviantart.

Quality is subjective, but nobody's going to defend something like post #803572. Besides that, there are also plenty of people on the site who don't have a good eye for art, so it doesn't exactly matter if a couple of people liked your friend's stuff.

From what I see by searching score:<0, the administrators seem fairly lax in what sort of things they approve.

As stated previously, e6 is not a site for one's personal works. It is for collecting art from around the web and making them searchable under a user-driven tagging system. You should actually move to FA or someplace else if you're going to be constantly uploading your own work.

Yeah, we're not in competition with FA or DA (or Inkbunny, or..). Totally different idea.

yeah take their advice. it's biased.

bellypokeball said:
yeah take their advice. it's biased.

The discussion in this thread had ended 4 months ago, but whatever, I'll give you a reply anyway.

I don't see what part of this discussion is "biased". If your stuff keeps getting rejected because of low quality, work to improve, and post it elsewhere. Eventually, if somebody likes it enough, they'll probably end up posting it to e6.

There's plenty of images that are mediocre, or just plain bad, that were approved by some miracle, so if you can't even manage that much, you need to do a better job of it.

If you have absolutely no idea where to start, it might be time for you to start reading Andrew Loomis.

Jackalfag said:

I wouldn't say it's a miracle, nor biased, because it's not based around a group's judgement, it's based around a approver. The approvers do have some guidelines as to what is art and what isn't, and they have to ignore the public's opinion on such. With The Weaver , someone questioned Weaver's art, but they were able to make believable characters and stories out of colored lines, so it stays because it does have artistic quality. Vice versa, don't click me, I feature blood and a cheese grater! despite how horrendous this image is, it DOES have artistic quality, and thus is allowed to stay.

However, they do have opinions, but only on what is and isn't art, not what is and isn't "good" art. They can't go toss out every image with gore because they disagree with it. And vice versa, even if they loved it, it will have to go if it doesn't meet the minimum quality standard or has an artist that is DNP.

Or in shorthand: just because an image gets deleted, it doesn't mean it was biased; and just because an image stays, it doesn't mean it was a miracle that it was allowed. The admins do have some leniency or strictness when it comes to quality, but they do have to adhere to a standard. It's not something we can judge, it will always be noticable by them.

And to make this actually helpful, and not my long-winded opinion, bellypokeball can message Slyroon , the person who deleted their image, why he judged it as such. If you want advice, they can give it.

Jackalfag said:
The discussion in this thread had ended 4 months ago, but whatever, I'll give you a reply anyway.

I don't see what part of this discussion is "biased". If your stuff keeps getting rejected because of low quality, work to improve, and post it elsewhere. Eventually, if somebody likes it enough, they'll probably end up posting it to e6.

There's plenty of images that are mediocre, or just plain bad, that were approved by some miracle, so if you can't even manage that much, you need to do a better job of it.

If you have absolutely no idea where to start, it might be time for you to start reading Andrew Loomis.

not the debate it's perfectly logical. i was talking about the subject of low quality art. like people have said there was some horrible shit(literally shit) accepted and some good ones rejected. that's what i was talking about. this debate is fine as is.

bellypokeball said:
not the debate it's perfectly logical. i was talking about the subject of low quality art. like people have said there was some horrible shit(literally shit) accepted and some good ones rejected. that's what i was talking about. this debate is fine as is.

also thanks for the link. i did message him asking if there was anyway he might be able to improve my upload quality.

Well, looking at your uploads you need to work at pretty much everything, your lines are wobbly, your anatomy is bad, your faces are literal circles, the tits are circles, the nipples are copied from someone else, you color with the fill-tool; you don't even crop properly.

You should really take a step back and focus on the basics of drawing, preferably on a piece of paper so you can get a feel for, well, everything.

i can understand the heads being a bit too circular, and the lines are a bit wobbly in places(i use a mouse to do lines on a blank canvas), and yes i do fill in the work after i line art it and then shade/highlight. but bad anatomy? and circles for breasts? wouldn't that be preferred to i don't know, ovals? gonna follow some of that advice though on how it looks.

Your entire skeleton needs work, as does perspective is what I meant with bad anatomy. And breasts aren't perfect spheres, they have weight and that gives them at least a sleight tear drop appearance.

bellypokeball said:
i can understand the heads being a bit too circular, and the lines are a bit wobbly in places(i use a mouse to do lines on a blank canvas), and yes i do fill in the work after i line art it and then shade/highlight. but bad anatomy? and circles for breasts? wouldn't that be preferred to i don't know, ovals? gonna follow some of that advice though on how it looks.

you are p clearly aiming for human-like body but dont seem to have grasp of basic proportions. like the head/torso ratio is decent but everything else is wrong.

take a look at this and look at your characters. legs are supposed to be half of body's length, not 1/3. arms are supposed to extend below hips. also pay attention to the limb length. character's other arm cannot be like half as long as the other one.

and those boobs. bro, boobs are not balloons, boobs are not circles, boobs are not ovals. they are literally fat sacks, they are affected by gravity. their shape is closer to tear drop rather than circle or oval. they are not pressed together when character is not wearing some sort of push up bra. take a plastic bag, fill it about halfway with water, tie it shut, make sure that theres no air in it and observe how its affected by gravity. boobs do about same as that bag of water.

also i made you a little basic guide about how to boob

Woah, this thread really came back to life a few hours ago, so it's not just me it's happened to recently, I had this removed, no warning, no feedback https://nl.ib.metapix.net/files/full/1406/1406964_Miracle227_tailsxscampiver1.png
It's kind of a stupid policy actually and not really fair on us artists who haven't got a decade of experience under our belts yet since there's so many artists now with more than 2 decades. I hope this site doesn't get anymore ridiculous otherwise it's gonna end up as bad as FurAffinity

Miracle227 said:
Woah, this thread really came back to life a few hours ago, so it's not just me it's happened to recently, I had this removed, no warning, no feedback https://nl.ib.metapix.net/files/full/1406/1406964_Miracle227_tailsxscampiver1.png
It's kind of a stupid policy actually and not really fair on us artists who haven't got a decade of experience under our belts yet since there's so many artists now with more than 2 decades. I hope this site doesn't get anymore ridiculous otherwise it's gonna end up as bad as FurAffinity

Well, the policy is in place because this is not an image dump site. We are not R34, Gelbooru, and we are most certainly not FA. If we allowed any quality image, then we can have a massive low-quality image dump and ruin the experience of the users.

If you wish to have your art complimented, despite quality, then go to FA. If you wish to have your art judged, then stay here. And, as you've seen above, if you wish for advice, you can ask for advice from the people who judge. FA will never have that. They will not help you improve.

If you wish my advice, then PM me. I use a shady, but free, "technique" to learn in real life, and I've applied that logic to drawing. Until then, you can pick your poison on what site you want; I recommend this one over FA, and I'd suggest Ink if you want a easy-to-use image search.

Siral_Exan said:
[...]this is not an image dump site.

Can we get this in the ToS? Preferably in 72pt or something else that's difficult to ignore. Probably just before "You will make a best faith effort to upload only high quality site-related images, though this is not a strict requirement and leeway can and will be given in certain circumstances."

savageorange said:

"can and will be given in certain circumstances" would also need to be put in bold and italic font, then. Like I said, we aren't a dump site. Are you, or anyone else, willing to argue to an admin that your art deserves certain circumstances?

Again: ask for advice. You either have the resources available and can learn, or you don't. You can ask the janitors, the admins, or some of the established artists here for advice. I highly suggest you do.

Jackalfag said:
There's plenty of images that are mediocre, or just plain bad, that were approved by some miracle

Usually with a good reason.
For instance, sometimes users post larger versions of content that was approved years ago. Since the post is already here in some form, the 'better version' tends to get approved. Even if it's something that doesn't meet the current standards.

i can accept the chest area being a bit too similar in the artwork as not all breasts are the same. however as for the anatomy much of what has been said i can dismiss at a flippant glance with little thought. for example if you look at the space used you will see that the arms DO indeed reach the pelvic area and possibly below to some extent. more often than not i do not angle my characters directly from the front thus the illusion of depth and also why one arm is smaller (to give the illusion of depth). in doing art one must remember abstract concepts as well as the concrete. art is not a science. i will however gentlemen(and i use the term loosely) not be joining you in any rhetoric after this post. good day.

bellypokeball said:
however as for the anatomy much of what has been said i can dismiss at a flippant glance with little thought.

You're free to dismiss anything that has been said for any reason, just be aware that mutisija draws better than you in every single aspect. You'd do well to take his advice serious if you wish to improve.

NotMeNotYou said:
You're free to dismiss anything that has been said for any reason, just be aware that mutisija draws better than you in every single aspect. You'd do well to take his advice serious if you wish to improve.

trust me i do. however i find certain points to be lacking.

bellypokeball said:
i can accept the chest area being a bit too similar in the artwork as not all breasts are the same. however as for the anatomy much of what has been said i can dismiss at a flippant glance with little thought. for example if you look at the space used you will see that the arms DO indeed reach the pelvic area and possibly below to some extent. more often than not i do not angle my characters directly from the front thus the illusion of depth and also why one arm is smaller (to give the illusion of depth). in doing art one must remember abstract concepts as well as the concrete. art is not a science. i will however gentlemen(and i use the term loosely) not be joining you in any rhetoric after this post. good day.

again, if you look at this hands are not supposed to just reach pelvic area or go a bit past it, they are supposed to reach mid thigh. stand up, relax your arms and look where your fingers are. also you really need to improve your kills in foreshortening since it doesnt look like foreshortening at all. it just looks like characters with oddly scaled limbs. use references, look how real bodies work. study how real bodies look. dont just assume how they look.

heres one good deviantart gallery full of photos of people in different poses so artists could use them as references

also i recommend DAZ studio. its a free 3D posing software which allows you to put character models in different poses and study how they look from different angles.

Miracle227 said:
Ink Bunny link

403 Forbidden, and I'm logged in so I think they did that because it's a direct image request... Or it happened to get removed.

Siral_Exan said:
And, as you've seen above, if you wish for advice, you can ask for advice from the people who judge. FA will never have that. They will not help you improve.

Deviant Art allows artists to turn on art criticism/ranking systems, but the fact that those two are combined means you may just be getting some low rankings if they have a lot of criticism.

Furrin_Gok said:
403 Forbidden, and I'm logged in so I think they did that because it's a direct image request... Or it happened to get removed.

You can view the image by copying the image URL and pasting that into a new tab.

Jackalfag said:
You can view the image by copying the image URL and pasting that into a new tab.

...That's incredibly weird. It's the exact same URL, why's it not work when I open it in a new tab, but then it works when I open a duplicate tab?

Mutisija said:
again, if you look at this hands are not supposed to just reach pelvic area or go a bit past it, they are supposed to reach mid thigh. stand up, relax your arms and look where your fingers are. also you really need to improve your kills in foreshortening since it doesnt look like foreshortening at all. it just looks like characters with oddly scaled limbs. use references, look how real bodies work. study how real bodies look. dont just assume how they look.

heres one good deviantart gallery full of photos of people in different poses so artists could use them as references

also i recommend DAZ studio. its a free 3D posing software which allows you to put character models in different poses and study how they look from different angles.

thanks. i'll try the 3d image daz studio to see how well i can operate it.

Furrin_Gok said:
...That's incredibly weird. It's the exact same URL, why's it not work when I open it in a new tab, but then it works when I open a duplicate tab?

At a guess, it's a Referrer header (standard HTTP stuff, basically "request came from this address") thing.

Tab A, if you're using the context menu option or ctrl-clicking the link to open the link in a new tab, says "I'm coming from e621", even if it's going to display the content in another tab. If you're duplicating Tab A in Tab B, as far as Tab B knows it's coming from the IB server network (even if Tab A isn't actually displaying the requested content, it's still in communication with IB to throw out the 403 error), which is authorized to access the content in question.

If you open a new tab, then paste the URL into the address field, the new blank tab doesn't have that initial Referrer header to make the content server thinking you're trying to hotlink to the IB content server's files from e621.

RWPNub said:
By minimum quality standards what do you mean? I see a lot of shitty photos get approved, is it resolution? Mine was pretty big, 1600X1600+.. what do you want? Why delete them? I drew the picture for 3 days to get it deleted.
I'm confused.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
What you just said was the image resolution. Just because a picture is big doesn't mean it's good in quality.

See, that's the problem. What is quality? There's no definition for what those "minimum quality standards" are, so everyone gives them their own, which is harmful because there is no common ground to which we can recur other than "common sense" and human instinct (aspects that highly vary depending on the definition and context), making every pic on this site equally deserving of being approved or not. Now, "obviously" a minimum quality standard is that the pic has to be clear to the eye so that it gets its point across, but what about the other characteristics more related to the content itself, such as details, anatomy, tracing, etc? What are exactly the "minimum quality standards" for these?

I had a picture deleted for the same reason, and I don't really understand what was wrong. The resolution was fine (unless it wasn't and my vision is just too good), and the content was passable, unless it needed more detail, or the anatomy or tracing were poor, but I'm not sure of any of those, because "minimum quality standards" didn't tell me anything about what was wrong with the picture.

The point I want to get across is: a basic guideline for those standards for everyone to see, or adding less ambiguous deletion reasons (such as: Pic is blurry, resolution is poor, lacks more detail, has poor anatomy) would be helpful.

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=uploading_guidelines

We're biased against photographs, try taking a scan of it to avoid the blurriness and low contrast phone cameras cause.