I think that i have to create this topic , for all these persons having got such treatments from the other members

There is three things to do with any picture on E-621 : vote up , down or do nothing . It shows that you enjoy , dislike the picture or feel nothing about it

It's the same thing with comments , but one of these choices is badly used here and even should be removed : i mean the "down" vote

All members judging on their own tastes and beliefs , the "down" vote is unnecessary for the comments for a very simple reason . When someone votes up to a comment , it means that he agrees with ; and the opposite for the down vote . But any member coming to comment does it from his own mind , and it's possible that it's not the same than other members . If peoples can agree with a comment , say they disagrees is a bad thing . How you would feel if you were speaking with someone ; and suddenly , he says to you : "- This isn't my opinion , you haven't the right to think it" Feeling bad , isn't it ?

But it's exactly what is happening when someone votes "down" to a comment ; in some sort , he denies to the other member to have his own opinion on the picture . It would be better if any member seeing a comment and disagreeing with prefers to say to himself : "- It's his opinion , not mine" then leaves without vote "down"

Thanks to think about it

There are comments that are legitimately bad, but don't break the rules. Those are the times when I vote down, and I do not want to see that ability get removed. Yes, some users abuse it and vote down over silly things, but there's a limit to how often a user can vote, which reduces the abuse.

https://e621.net/forum/show/185562
https://e621.net/forum/show/180901
https://e621.net/forum/show/172198
https://e621.net/forum/show/102626
https://e621.net/forum/show/89200
https://e621.net/forum/show/82597
https://e621.net/forum/show/36001
https://e621.net/forum/show/33225
https://e621.net/forum/show/32788
https://e621.net/forum/show/31858
https://e621.net/forum/show/29234

I disagree. For one thing, it's a frickin porn site, and who takes their own comments seriously on here? I don't see why anyone would want this to happen unless they made some comments that were looked upon unfavorably and they were too immature to brush off something so inconsequential. I mean, why take it personally?

Voting down a comment is in no way denying someone's opinion. It's just a way of expressing disagreement, and if we can't accept the fact that people disagree with us, well, we need to grow up a little. We can still have our opinions, no matter how downvoted they are.

My only complaint is the default threshold being at -2 and the fact that completely hides the comments. It's a quick and easy way for people to dismiss and "censor" your comment to everyone if they really want to. I'd think that the default threshold should be -5, or even better, just not hide comments at all anymore

Aeruginis said:
I disagree. For one thing, it's a frickin porn site, and who takes their own comments seriously on here?

...the overly sensitive types? (this means both artists AND the regular users of course) or maybe paranoid people?

but yeah, agreed.

funny thing, i actually saw a youtube video earlier where the guy was blocking comments left and right and basically acting childish because he apparently can't handle mean comments/criticism/differing opinions/etc.. it kinda renders your own opinion rather meaningless if that's how you react to negativity, perceived or otherwise. (going around telling random people "you matter to me" after the banning...oh yeah, sure we do. we mean all of nothing to you. >.>)

RHEI-RAT said:
How you would feel if you were speaking with someone ; and suddenly , he says to you : "- This isn't my opinion , you haven't the right to think it" Feeling bad , isn't it ?

But it's exactly what is happening when someone votes "down" to a comment ; in some sort , he denies to the other member to have his own opinion on the picture .

No, that's an over-interpretation of a downvote's meaning. Philosophically, downvotes and upvotes are just there and mean absolutely nothing until we give them value. Even then, people will vote for personal reasons and view the reasoning behind others' votes differently than was originally intended, so no one can know for certain the meaning intended by each upvote and downvote.

Since people need the world to make sense, the safest interpretations of upvotes and downvotes should be "I like this" and "I don't like this", respectively. That's it. Any extra interpretation is one's personal spin.

For what it's worth, my downvotes on comments should generally be taken as "I think this is stupid." Also, not everyone hides downvoted comments, people can selectively choose to view downvoted comments despite them being hidden, and comments don't get deleted for downvotes. A hidden comment remains accessible and is therefore still expressed. Sometimes comments express no opinion whatsoever, the downvoter misunderstood the comment's intended meaning, or the downvote was an accident! A downvote each situation does not conform to downvotes' proposed meaning; therefore, the original assertion is proven not applicable to all cases, suggesting a lack of necessary precision in the original assertion. And a person with 1000 comments all downvoted to -1000 can still leave 1000 more comments as long as they don't break the rules, so their right to express themself here in the future would be unaffected by past comment scores.

For what it's worth, my downvotes on comments should generally be taken as "I think this is stupid."

That's what I try to do too. I got a bit annoyed recently when people voted my comment (here) down for apparently that 'it's stupid' reason but it seems that they don't understand what the comment is actually saying in the first place.

(as best as I can tell, they think I was criticizing a particular user B, even though I explicitly quoted the user A I was actually addressing, and the behaviour of A and B was not similar)

But generally, I don't think votes work that well. They can be and are used to eliminate stupid things (-most- negative-valued comments are whiny, crazy, or outright irrelevant IME), but also to eliminate merely unpopular things (for example, that recent cub porn related vote on FN. I was amazed how many simple statements of observable fact there were wildly downvoted, On e621 posts, reminders of the rules seem to receive similar treatment.)

I guess overall they are just like democracy -- big surprise there ;)

Aeruginis said:
[eSix is] a frickin porn site, and who takes their own comments seriously on here?

Umm...

I guess that's my cue to go die in a fire now.

I'm sorry for existing. My bad.

looks like the general consensus of this page is

"oh you don't like people downvoting your comments? ha! get in line with the other whiny bitches"

I think the entire voting system is dumb. Just get rid of it. People downvote comments that don't deserve it and they upvote comments that don't deserve it. It's dumb.

This topic has been brought up many times before. The admin should at least give it a TRY many people don't like the voting system for lots of reasons but it seems like no one is listening.

I don't dislike the system in general, but I do agree the default treshold for negative voted comments should go from -2 or 3 to -5 at least. It sometimes gets annoying to always have to weigh your words because if you say one thing wrong, or something that can be misinterpreted, there always seem to be a few intolerant or touchy people almost eagerly standing ready to downvote and that'll instantly remove your otherwise not too harmful comment from immediate sight.

Yeah, you can reveal hidden comments, but I'm willing to bet many users don't bother to click there that often.

I've actually lowered the treshold to -99 on my account. No matter if they're shitty, I still like to be able to at least glance over them. E6 normally doesn't get dozens of comments per post, so it's not like filtering out the bad stuff makes for a much more streamlined reading experience, anyway.

From what i read in your comments , it appears that you all are voting in the way that i am speaking about : "- I think that" . But when i see a lot of downvotes , it seems the votants doesn't try to see the meaning of the comment ; just : it's not their mind , so "downvote"

Look at this picture : https://e621.net/post/show/911652/4_fingers-anthro-anus-bdsm-big_dom_small_sub-big_p and read True Tchelow's comment (threshold) . Do you think it's normal that he gets a -3 just by saying what he feels with this picture ? Another example with this picture : https://e621.net/post/show/911993/ambiguous_gender-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-canine and Tiamat5's comment ; where the stupid/wrong thing in ?

You're committing a fallacy known as availability bias. Yes, the people who have responded are people who think voting is worth thinking about..
But what about the people who haven't responded?
How many people are there who don't care, who vote according to their feelings or randomly?

Well.. there are a lot of e621 users. Most of them don't ever post anything at all in the forums. I don't see how you would ever find out, how the majority of people actually do vote.

As for your specific examples:

True Tchelow's comment seems meaningless. I mean that literally -- I look at it and wonder: Is this supposed to be a honest thanks for the censoring? or is it sarcastic/humorous? I don't know. It's a strange comment, so, I don't think I would downvote it myself [I understand the problems of tone you can have with a second language], but I wouldn't disagree if someone told me "I'm downvoting that comment cause it's weird"

Tiamat5's comment is bordering on RP behaviour; it's mildly annoying and again, I wouldn't downvote it myself but I probably wouldn't object to someone else downvoting it. Still, I've seen many similar comments upvoted, so it is a better example of what you are talking about.

RHEI-RAT said:
I think that i have to create this topic , for all these persons having got such treatments from the other members

There is three things to do with any picture on E-621 : vote up , down or do nothing . It shows that you enjoy , dislike the picture or feel nothing about it

It's the same thing with comments , but one of these choices is badly used here and even should be removed : i mean the "down" vote

All members judging on their own tastes and beliefs , the "down" vote is unnecessary for the comments for a very simple reason . When someone votes up to a comment , it means that he agrees with ; and the opposite for the down vote . But any member coming to comment does it from his own mind , and it's possible that it's not the same than other members . If peoples can agree with a comment , say they disagrees is a bad thing .

But it's exactly what is happening when someone votes "down" to a comment ; in some sort , he denies to the other member to have his own opinion on the picture . It would be better if any member seeing a comment and disagreeing with prefers to say to himself : "- It's his opinion , not mine" then leaves without vote "down"

Thanks to think about it

No, because for one thing there's this nifty feature on comments that have received multiple downvotes that allows you to show them if you're interested in seeing them. For another thing, people can be real douchebags in comments and multiple downvotes on a single comment often indicate that the commenter in question is being an ass. Thirdly, you can change the amount of downvotes a comment has before it is hidden in your profile settings.

Also, this line:

How you would feel if you were speaking with someone ; and suddenly , he says to you : "- This isn't my opinion , you haven't the right to think it" Feeling bad , isn't it ?

As someone who has been repeatedly harassed in the comments on my own submissions, I can say only this: I know how I feel when I have no recourse other than to either feed the harasser's ego (by responding to his bullshit even in the slightest) or to ignore him, and I know it feels terrible to me. But oh look, there's a downvote button underneath the douchebag's comment, so I have another option. Yay for me, I can let people know that I think this guy is being an unreasonable little prick without having to call an admin and having an even bigger scene play out in the comments section which would further empower the asshole to keep right on being an asshole in the comments sections of other submissions and maybe bring some of his buddies along for a merry old time making other people mad, bro.

I wouldn't mind if the upvote button was taken off the comments. They could be downvote only! Just set the hiding threshold a little lower... -5 should work. People shouldn't take their comment scores too seriously here. Visitors to an image are rarely there for the comments, so having the comments sink gradually out of sight by weight of whoever disliked them would be pretty fitting.

The upvoting/downvoting mechanic is probably better than that, though, if only because it's more familiar.

So , as i was saying : you all judge the comment from your point of view

savageorange said: True Tchelow's comment seems meaningless. I mean that literally -- I look at it and wonder: Is this supposed to be a honest thanks for the censoring? or is it sarcastic/humorous? I don't know. It's a strange comment, so, I don't think I would downvote it myself [I understand the problems of tone you can have with a second language], but I wouldn't disagree if someone told me "I'm downvoting that comment cause it's weird"

For my part , i up or downvote according the picture being nice or not in my view ; but i think it's the case of all peoples ..................... About comments , i upvote if the mind is the same than mine ; but if it's not the case , or the comment "worrying" me (as Savageorange with True Tchelow's comment) , i do nothing because i accept the fact peoples thinks differently than myself or are perfectly understanding themselves the meaning of their comment

Furrin_Gok said:
There are comments that are legitimately bad, but don't break the rules. Those are the times when I vote down, and I do not want to see that ability get removed. Yes, some users abuse it and vote down over silly things, but there's a limit to how often a user can vote, which reduces the abuse.

So , you can just ignore such comments . And i don't ask for the downvote choice be removed ; i just say it should be

abadbird said:
No, that's an over-interpretation of a downvote's meaning. Philosophically, downvotes and upvotes are just there and mean absolutely nothing until we give them value. Even then, people will vote for personal reasons and view the reasoning behind others' votes differently than was originally intended, so no one can know for certain the meaning intended by each upvote and downvote.

It's the same with comments : peoples downvotes it generally because they doesn't see the meaning of

Kristal_Candeo said:
Umm...

I guess that's my cue to go die in a fire now.

I'm sorry for existing. My bad.

Oh no I'm sorry Kristal! I was speaking somewhat facetiously, as in, when people comment on porn it shouldn't be taken seriously, but not that other discussion shouldn't be also lol

You're a great part of this site ^.^

The_Diggler said:
This topic has been brought up many times before. The admin should at least give it a TRY many people don't like the voting system for lots of reasons but it seems like no one is listening.

"Many" people dislike it, but Most people who express their opinion on the matter want it to stay.

RHEI-RAT said:
Look at this picture : https://e621.net/post/show/911652/4_fingers-anthro-anus-bdsm-big_dom_small_sub-big_p and read True Tchelow's comment (threshold) . Do you think it's normal that he gets a -3 just by saying what he feels with this picture ? Another example with this picture : https://e621.net/post/show/911993/ambiguous_gender-anthro-big_breasts-breasts-canine and Tiamat5's comment ; where the stupid/wrong thing in ?

Yes, it's normal and deserved. If you're going to be sarcastic and cynical about something, people will downvote. If you're going to roleplay in the comments (Howling), people will downvote. The site may not be for it, but it tries to support mature, intelligent conversations, not roleplaying or whining.

RHEI-RAT said:
So , you can just ignore such comments . And i don't ask for the downvote choice be removed ; i just say it should be

And you can ignore the downvotes. Problem solved!

Seriously, if I left a message on a bulletin board and it got little tally marks from people who liked or hated it, I would be fine with it. If a person in charge of the board saw a lot of negative marks and pinned a "Message hidden for low score" paper over it that had to be lifted up to see the message, I'd be fine with it. It's a lot better than people standing up and going "You're wrong" and not giving me the time of day when I try to figure out the why, anonymous downvotes are just safer that way, as they don't create a scene or start an argument. Would you pull off an anonymous note from bulletin boards, stomp around and yell at everybody to demand to know who wrote it? I wouldn't.

Furrin_Gok said: Yes, it's normal and deserved. If you're going to be sarcastic and cynical about something, people will downvote. If you're going to roleplay in the comments (Howling), people will downvote. The site may not be for it, but it tries to support mature, intelligent conversations, not roleplaying or whining.

If comments breaks the rules of E-621 (as RP) , the staff has just to delete it . But downvote a comment just by thinking it's sarcastic and cynical , it makes us to come back to what i was saying in the first post : no try to understand what the poster was meaning and refusing his point of view

Aeruginis said:
Oh no I'm sorry Kristal! I was speaking somewhat facetiously, as in, when people comment on porn it shouldn't be taken seriously, but not that other discussion shouldn't be also lol

You're a great part of this site ^.^

Aww... Thanks!

31h253 said:
I wouldn't mind if the upvote button was taken off the comments. They could be downvote only! Just set the hiding threshold a little lower... -5 should work. People shouldn't take their comment scores too seriously here. Visitors to an image are rarely there for the comments, so having the comments sink gradually out of sight by weight of whoever disliked them would be pretty fitting.

The upvoting/downvoting mechanic is probably better than that, though, if only because it's more familiar.

Strongly disagree with removing either upvotes or downvotes. Scores may not be functional, but being able to upvote or downvote prevents a lot of 'me too!' comment noise.

RHEI-RAT said:
If comments breaks the rules of E-621 (as RP) , the staff has just to delete it .

Well, first they have to see the comment. I think that is an identifiable problem here: people generally are more inclined to downvote a comment than report it, even if it breaks the rules.

savageorange said:
Well, first they have to see the comment. I think that is an identifiable problem here: people generally are more inclined to downvote a comment than report it, even if it breaks the rules.

There's a lot of comments you can make to rake in the downvotes while not violating any rules. A couple of users are pros at it. There is relative leniency on the meanness of comments, but usually a rush to report clear rulebreaking comments when the insults really start flying. Check out the comment complaint tickets.

Lance_Armstrong said:
There's a lot of comments you can make to rake in the downvotes while not violating any rules. A couple of users are pros at it.

I used to be really good at that.

Actinium-89 said:
I used to be really good at that.

Then you took a record in the knee.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Then you took a record in the knee.

Four, actually.

Actinium-89 said:
Four, actually.

yeah, i suppose that'll happen when you like to skirt dangerously close to the rules.

savageorange said: Well, first they have to see the comment. I think that is an identifiable problem here: people generally are more inclined to downvote a comment than report it, even if it breaks the rules.

So , do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X

RHEI-RAT said:
So , do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X

Can't you think about why they might do that, instead of just calling it stupid (which IMO is itself a stupid thing to do)?

To me, that behaviour is just what I would expect from an average person you could meet on the street anytime.

RHEI-RAT said:
So , do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X

They aren't stupid dumbs, they just have stupid dumb opinions. That need to be denied with downvotes.

RHEI-RAT said:
So , do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X

Too bad you can't downvote forum posts. *rolls eyes*

savageorange said:
Can't you think about why they might do that, instead of just calling it stupid (which IMO is itself a stupid thing to do)?
To me, that behaviour is just what I would expect from an average person you could meet on the street anytime.

Manasgael said:
Too bad you can't downvote forum posts. *rolls eyes*

It was just a question , and you react as if i was really claiming it . Thanks to show to me you're such persons reading only without to try to understand the meaning of words

Beanjam said:
They aren't stupid dumbs, they just have stupid dumb opinions. That need to be denied with downvotes.

I was speaking about members downvoting on RP comments , in place to report it

Manasgael said:
Too bad you can't downvote forum posts. *rolls eyes*

I disagree with his phrasing, but the site is on the Internet.

The Internet is surrogate-home to many, many stupid people.
Ergo...

RHEI-RAT said:
It was just a question , and you react as if i was really claiming it . Thanks to show to me you're such persons reading only without to try to understand the meaning of words

I was speaking about members downvoting on RP comments , in place to report it

By downvoting, we give them the idea that what they had been doing was wrong, and give them a chance to fix their ways without getting a report.

Furrin_Gok said:
By downvoting, we give them the idea that what they had been doing was wrong, and give them a chance to fix their ways without getting a report.

Some of us don't need downvotes to know that we are doing somthing wrong.

Just saying.

I don't really downvote anything here but now I do seeing that it triggers such a profound emotional response from so many people here

Get it together

Also my negative comment threshold is like -10000 because the true gems tend to be the ones who are buried the deepest

I set my negative threshold one below where it starts, because most comments that start getting negative scores tend to level out there - because they get hidden, and get no fewer downvotes, unless they're particularly bad.

It's interesting to see that trend in action.

Furrin_Gok said:
By downvoting, we give them the idea that what they had been doing was wrong, and give them a chance to fix their ways without getting a report.

Yes , for the posters breaking E-621 rules . But what for the ones being "safe" ? Why to downvote them ?

RHEI-RAT said:
Yes , for the posters breaking E-621 rules . But what for the ones being "safe" ? Why to downvote them ?

To discourage bad comments without starting a flame war. If you call them out on it, it may turn into an argument, but anonymous downvotes leave them nobody but themselves to be upset with. At least, that's supposed to be how it works, but some people like to whine and create forum posts demanding the removal of downvotes. Your post, thankfully, is more of a debate, but the reasons for having downvotes still stands.

Dragonlayer said:
Also my negative comment threshold is like -10000 because the true gems tend to be the ones who are buried the deepest

This one gets it!

RHEI-RAT said:
It was just a question , and you react as if i was really claiming it .

It is you who doesn't understand that asking such a question is futile, regardless of whether you believe these people actually are stupid or not.

If you ask your question in an aggressive, inflammatory way, why would you expect anything good from it? It's just like throwing a tantrum -- it doesn't matter whether you have reason to get upset -- once you throw a tantrum about it, your credibility is gone. Usually any willingness people have to engage honestly with you is also gone.

Here's the thing, you don't have to respect other people's thoughts or opinions on things. It's the facts that can affect me the most, so when I look at people's comments, I peek at it. Look at the subject sentence, figure out where they're going. If they say something worthless I discard it immediately. It's not too difficult. If it's not a strong opinion, or it's something pleasant to read, even though it may not be the nicest thing someone has said, I read those, and I could even respond to those if I wanted to, sarcastically or not.

I do like reading comments sometimes, even if it's just a way to kill time. But those sour and cheesy comments, I have to scroll right past them. Not really worth reporting comments. I'll let the mods do their thing. I'm not always in the right position to accept words spoken by a person who I have no real idea about. To me, that just seems anti-social, and a waste of my energy to try and figure out comments that are weird and not ordinary for someone to talk about in public.

I hope I'm making some sense.

Furrin_Gok said:
To discourage bad comments without starting a flame war. If you call them out on it, it may turn into an argument, but anonymous downvotes leave them nobody but themselves to be upset with.

I'm enough old (48 years) to know how peoples may to react to such "treatment" : they begins to try to understand why they gets a downvote , thinking their post is fine ; then anger comes as they gets other downvotes , and dreams of revenge . They puts downvotes themselves to others , creating a bad feeling in the forum ; then comes the snowball effect ..................... And war to finish it

savageorange said:
It is you who doesn't understand that asking such a question is futile, regardless of whether you believe these people actually are stupid or not.

To ask if peoples prefers to downvote a breaking rules comment in place to report it , and be labelled stupid dumbs (themselves or in their opinion) isn't futile . Or else , i don't ask it ; just i prefer to know what sort of persons i have in front of me to debate with . Then ; for the aggressive/inflammatory way , i'm not in such ................. But your last post makes me to think you begin yourself to be in X_X

RubisDrake said:
Here's the thing, you don't have to respect other people's thoughts or opinions on things. It's the facts that can affect me the most, so when I look at people's comments, I peek at it. Look at the subject sentence, figure out where they're going. If they say something worthless I discard it immediately. It's not too difficult. If it's not a strong opinion, or it's something pleasant to read, even though it may not be the nicest thing someone has said, I read those, and I could even respond to those if I wanted to, sarcastically or not.

I do like reading comments sometimes, even if it's just a way to kill time. But those sour and cheesy comments, I have to scroll right past them. Not really worth reporting comments. I'll let the mods do their thing. I'm not always in the right position to accept words spoken by a person who I have no real idea about. To me, that just seems anti-social, and a waste of my energy to try and figure out comments that are weird and not ordinary for someone to talk about in public.

I hope I'm making some sense.

You're making it

For my part , it's easy : i like a comment , i upvote it ; and i do nothing for the other ones . If the poster thinks that his post is good , who i am to upset him by downvoting ? If he realizes (soon or later) that it's wrong , he'll come himself to "repair"

RHEI-RAT said:
For my part , it's easy : i like a comment , i upvote it ; and i do nothing for the other ones . If the poster thinks that his post is good , who i am to upset him by downvoting ? If he realizes (soon or later) that it's wrong , he'll come himself to "repair"

That's your choice, and I have no problem with you choosing of your own free will not to downvote. My problem with you is that you want to take your choice to the extreme and force everybody else to abide by your choice by attempting to remove the downvote feature altogether.

In other words, you want to be able to choose how you do things, but you want that same choice taken away from other users. The fact is, you don't respect the opinions of other people at all, because you try to silence opinions that don't agree with yours. You are, to be quite blunt, a hypocrite.

RHEI-RAT said:
To ask if peoples prefers to downvote a breaking rules comment in place to report it , and be labelled stupid dumbs (themselves or in their opinion) isn't futile .

That wasn't what you asked.
This was what you asked:

Or do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X

...

Or else , i don't ask it ; just i prefer to know what sort of persons i have in front of me to debate with .

Again, asking if they are or should be thought of as "stupid dumbs" will never get you a useful answer, because it's a prejudiced and inflammatory *question*. It doesn't matter whether you intended it that way.

Then ; for the aggressive/inflammatory way , i'm not in such

Whether that was your intent or not is beside the point. For someone who posts with relatively broken English, you are surprisingly sure that you are not coming across aggressively.

Perhaps your phrasing "do I have to understand that" was supposed to blunten the effect. I'm not sure what it was supposed to mean.. perhaps you mean something that I would write as .. "Should I think that". But that doesn't really blunt the meaning either, it just adds weasel words to it so that it is more deniable.

As for me, I do not deny that I am currently being fairly aggressive, as I think your behaviour is not reasonable. Regarding inflammatoriness, perhaps a little. I used words that AFAICS most accurately described your phrasing -- 'aggressive' and 'inflammatory'. If anyone feels there are words that are both more accurate and less emotionally charged, then they should feel free to correct me.

RHEI-RAT said:
I'm enough old (48 years) to know how peoples may to react to such "treatment" : they begins to try to understand why they gets a downvote , thinking their post is fine ; then anger comes as they gets other downvotes , and dreams of revenge . They puts downvotes themselves to others , creating a bad feeling in the forum ; then comes the snowball effect ..................... And war to finish it

Uh, no. That's not how it works. If you're doing things that way, you need to stop, because what you're doing wrong will be solved by changing the ton or content of your posts. Believe it or not, people who are incapable of realizing this are fairly rare.

To ask if peoples prefers to downvote a breaking rules comment in place to report it , and be labelled stupid dumbs (themselves or in their opinion) isn't futile

No, you're right. It isn't futile, it's against the rules. You are calling them stupid and dumb for such actions, that's entirely on you. You can't say that they're putting that on themselves, when you're the one who made the statement. Quit insulting other users, please.

If he realizes (soon or later) that it's wrong , he'll come himself to "repair"

Some people don't realize they did anything wrong if they don't get downvotes. There have been times where I use the report function before things get out of hand to warn the admins to keep an eye on the thread, but they often don't actually post in the thread or comment chain, instead simply keeping an eye on it. The only surefire way to get them to comment is to actually break the rules, and at that point, you're gonna get a record!

Maybe there are users who never check their scores, but if there are, they'll never realize that their scores are down in the first place. Me, I like to go into my profile and take a look at my comments to see the scores on them, and if I see that there's a negative score I go back to see if there's been some debate, maybe clarify my post if necessary, but often times it's something that really couldn't be helped, so I just ignore the score and carry on my day. It's not like having a negative score will have any impact on my life whatsoever, and you should not let it have any on yours, either.

Manasgael said:
That's your choice, and I have no problem with you choosing of your own free will not to downvote. My problem with you is that you want to take your choice to the extreme and force everybody else to abide by your choice by attempting to remove the downvote feature altogether.

In other words, you want to be able to choose how you do things, but you want that same choice taken away from other users. The fact is, you don't respect the opinions of other people at all, because you try to silence opinions that don't agree with yours. You are, to be quite blunt, a hypocrite.

This is straightforward and to the point, and absolutely right. With the debate having gone on this long, I suppose it's actually worth pointing it out, so thank you for that, Manas.
If you want people to accept the opinions of others, that includes the negative opinions expressed solely through downvotes. They're anonymous opinions, but those opinions still belong to some secret somebody.

savageorange said:
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Again, asking if they are or should be thought of as "stupid dumbs" will never get you a useful answer, because it's a prejudiced and inflammatory *question*. It doesn't matter whether you intended it that way.

Whether that was your intent or not is beside the point. For someone who posts with relatively broken English, you are surprisingly sure that you are not coming across aggressively.

Perhaps your phrasing "do I have to understand that" was supposed to blunten the effect. I'm not sure what it was supposed to mean.. perhaps you mean something that I would write as .. "Should I think that". But that doesn't really blunt the meaning either, it just adds weasel words to it so that it is more deniable.

This. When you call people stupid and dumb, no amount of extra words is going to "soften" that. You literally called everybody who downvotes stupid and dumb.

Manasgael said:
That's your choice, and I have no problem with you choosing of your own free will not to downvote. My problem with you is that you want to take your choice to the extreme and force everybody else to abide by your choice by attempting to remove the downvote feature altogether.

In other words, you want to be able to choose how you do things, but you want that same choice taken away from other users. The fact is, you don't respect the opinions of other people at all, because you try to silence opinions that don't agree with yours. You are, to be quite blunt, a hypocrite.

Once again , i haven't asked/attempted to remove the "downvote" option ; just i've said it should be . Weird how peoples successes to convince themselves and changes a "possible" in "real" . And i'll never try to put other members to act as me about it ; they're free to vote as they wants . Then , you call me "hypocrite" ; i respond that downvote a comment being under anonyme is a coward attitude : to refuse the opinion of the downvoted poster but do nothing to let him speak with someone about it . Where is the respect to him in this ? Somewhere , isn't it insulting for the downvoted person to get it without the possibility to debate about the meaning of his post ?

savageorange said:
That wasn't what you asked.
This was what you asked:

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Again, asking if they are or should be thought of as "stupid dumbs" will never get you a useful answer, because it's a prejudiced and inflammatory *question*. It doesn't matter whether you intended it that way.

Whether that was your intent or not is beside the point. For someone who posts with relatively broken English, you are surprisingly sure that you are not coming across aggressively.

Perhaps your phrasing "do I have to understand that" was supposed to blunten the effect. I'm not sure what it was supposed to mean.. perhaps you mean something that I would write as .. "Should I think that". But that doesn't really blunt the meaning either, it just adds weasel words to it so that it is more deniable.

As for me, I do not deny that I am currently being fairly aggressive, as I think your behaviour is not reasonable. Regarding inflammatoriness, perhaps a little. I used words that AFAICS most accurately described your phrasing -- 'aggressive' and 'inflammatory'. If anyone feels there are words that are both more accurate and less emotionally charged, then they should feel free to correct me.

A member had responded to me by a post saying that some peoples were downvoting on breaking rules comments , in place to report it . So , my answer was this question : "- Or do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X" It's the same question (under another form) than this : "- To ask if peoples prefers to downvote a breaking rules comment in place to report it , and be labelled stupid dumbs (themselves or in their opinion) ............"

I know i'll get a useful answer because i know there is wise members in this forum ; or else , all breaking rules/wrong comments would get easily a -675 (as example) . Then i think to be the best person to say there is no aggressiveness from me , no ? ............................ And for the moment , i've got no answer about the real finality/reason to be for the "downvote" button X_X

RHEI-RAT said:
Once again , i haven't asked to remove the "downvote" option ; just i've said it should be .

Okay, so it's even worse: You aren't asking they remove it, you're demanding they remove it. That's saying that you don't even want it to be debated, you're trying to dictate how things go.

Weird how peoples successes to convince themselves and changes a "possible" in "real" . And i'll never try to put other members to act as me about it ; they're free to vote as they wants.

Then why are you saying that the downvote option should be removed? They won't be free to vote how they want if it's removed.

Then , you call me "hypocrite" ; i respond that downvote a comment being under anonyme is a coward attitude : you refuse the opinion of the downvoted poster but do nothing to let him speak with you about it.

There isn't always something to talk about, and some users have a record of getting completely argumentative over it.

Where is your respect to him in this?

Where is your respect for people who want to anonymously downvote? If I can think of a decent way to ask about it, I do that instead of downvoting. If I feel like any way I ask will result in an argument, I downvote instead of commenting.

Somewhere , isn't it insulting for the downvoted person to get it without the possibility to debate about the meaning of his post?

That's a "Cowardly" way of thinking. People are left to figure out all sorts of things for themselves in life, what's one more thing going to hurt? It's just a post, thoughen up, muster your bravery, and stride past the downvotes.

A member had responded to me by a post saying that some peoples were downvoting on breaking rules comments , in place to report it . So , my answer was this question : "- Or do i have to understand peoples/members in E-621 are generally stupid dumbs ? X_X"

You just admitted, right here, that you are literally calling them stupid and dumb. You are doing that, because that is how English works. Hey, look, we're explaining things! And yet you still don't seem to get it. You are saying anybody behaving with that attitude is stupid and dumb, how else are we supposed to interpret that comment?

It's the same question (under another form) than this : "- To ask if peoples prefers to downvote a breaking rules comment in place to report it , and be labelled stupid dumbs (themselves or in their opinion) ............"

The only person using the labels of "Stupid" and "Dumb" is you. This is not a healthy social construct to have, and the sooner you realize it, the sooner you can have healthy conversations.

I know i'll get a useful answer because i know there is wise members in this forum ; or else , all breaking rules/wrong comments would get easily a -675 (as example).

If by "Useful answer" you mean "Somebody who agrees with me," don't hold your breath. You've gotten two pages full of useful answers that you have decided to ignore, because they don't share your opinion. Not sharing an opinion doesn't mean we don't accept that it's yours, we just don't agree with it.

Then i think to be the best person to say there is no aggressiveness from me , no ?

There has been agressiveness from you, somebody agreeing with you will not take that away. That's not how things work.

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Stop that.

And for the moment , i've got no real answer about the utility/reason to be for the "downvote" button X_X

Because you have chosen to ignore everybody's comments. You might not understand why the people use it in this way, but you should understand that they do and will by now.

Stop it, both of you.

Reading is fun.

I've opened this debate with a mind meaning the possibility to remove the downvote button (it should be) , but YOU have been quick to translate it in : "- You're asking" then "you're demanding" . And if , by any chance , this had been made ; there was always the possibility to "vote" neutral . But no , YOU want the "choice" to upset some peoples with anonymous downvote ; just because they makes a comment that YOU don't accept

If i haven't responded to some comments , it's because they were perfect : nothing to respond to this . But YOU have the "right" to say i neglect them and don't understand why some peoples downvotes

So ; seeing how some peoples are turning this debate in a wrong way , i ask that it's locked . The one mistake i've made is open this debate , forgetting american peoples haven't the same way of think than french peoples

Saying it in a total quiet attitude

Oh my god shut up.

just curious but is it possible the voting system here could be seen as a form of free speech? i can't help but feel that that plays a role in this guys ranting.

people get to voice a silent opinion of something by voting yet, from what i can tell, RHEI-RAT here wants it removes because such a system might result in someones feelings being hurt.

this thread really isn't much different from the protestors you see in news articles wanting our free speech rights taken away cuz it offends them or something.

sorry but no, free speech has and should never end at peoples emotions. that's what that "Politically Correct" stuff is for and many people (myself included) don't want that.