E.G: So let's say a user called FunkyFurrie didn't know the rules and tried to upload a artwork that was made by a artist in the DNP list. When he has finally added all the correct rightful tags and done the other necessary stuff he then hit's the upload button. - If he has added the artist:tag, the website will detect that it is on the DNP list and then automatically reject the artwork. (And gives a warning depending if the user, like FunkyFurrie here, was their first time.)

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(I never tried to upload a artist that is on the DNP list, and don't want to try if this such a thing does happen xP) - (And as you can see, 100% of my uploads have been approved, so obviously I know what I am doing lol xP)

It sounds like a good idea, but it has to be smarter. I know that e621 also has conditional DNP, which means the Site gives you permission to upload certain Copyrighted works of art under, I assume, the Site's own liability. For example, something becomes available to post after a few years, when the artist has less demand for making money over said work.

So for those conditions, having an auto-ban is really not a good idea, but would work well if an artist or Copyright entity was indefinitely DNP. But that's rare since, at any point in time, someone might want to give rights to someone to upload certain works by an author, but not other works. How would this be handled then?

We have a thread dedicated to feature requests

This won't work. People will simply remove the artist tag and post the image without the tag.

NotMeNotYou said:
This won't work. People will simply remove the artist tag and post the image without the tag.

It wouldn't work 100% of the time, no, but it'd be a neat feature to have for those who are unknowingly posting DNP. Whether the trouble of maintaining a DNP tag list (as opposed to just a plaintext list of artists) is worth it, I don't know.

TonyLemur said:
It wouldn't work 100% of the time, no, but it'd be a neat feature to have for those who are unknowingly posting DNP. Whether the trouble of maintaining a DNP tag list (as opposed to just a plaintext list of artists) is worth it, I don't know.

I agree. Some mass-uploaders sometimes don't realize that they are uploading DNP content. Would be extra nice to have a message saying that you tried to upload DNP content upon pressing the upload button.

Hudson said:
I agree. Some mass-uploaders sometimes don't realize that they are uploading DNP content. Would be extra nice to have a message saying that you tried to upload DNP content upon pressing the upload button.

So what is your feelings upon this idea that my brain has created?

sometimes dnp artists give special permission for people to upload their art here.

FurryLover001 said:
So what is your feelings upon this idea that my brain has created?

You should probably contact both the lead admin (NotMeNotYou) and some of the devs about this, as I don't go over this.

Mutisija said:
sometimes dnp artists give special permission for people to upload their art here.

Just to be safe, I think it should be that with or without permission, if an artist has there name on the DNP list (because they wanted it there), the picture is not allowed to be uploaded

I think Parasprite's idea of an uploading 'wizard' (which could incorporate DNP detection) is a better way to do this, personally.
(that is, a more sophisticated uploading form, that would help the uploader by breaking tagging down into steps, one of which would be tagging the artists. It would be natural for this to be early in the process, so that a person doesn't put a lot of effort into tagging something only to have it rejected because of DNP)

FurryLover001 said:
Just to be safe, I think it should be that with or without permission, if an artist has there name on the DNP list (because they wanted it there), the picture is not allowed to be uploaded

That's a problem. Blanket blocking it puts the responsibility on the admins to handle it (or simply not have these posts uploaded despite permission).
Running with the 'wizard' idea, I would rather let the uploader say 'Yes, I know this artist is DNP, but I've got permission to post this image. Here is [publicly accessible link, probably on artist's gallery or userpage] proving it.' - then it would just become part of the normal approval process to check such links. That would be a simple formalization of what they already need to do in order to post otherwise-DNP material.

HotUnderTheCollar said:
You should probably contact both the lead admin (NotMeNotYou)

Wow, have I not been paying attention. I thought it was still Dave.

Fenrick said:
Wow, have I not been paying attention. I thought it was still Dave.

Dave retired from e621 to take care of more focused DragonFruit/BadDragon stuff.

Furrin_Gok said:
Dave retired from e621 to take care of more focused DragonFruit/BadDragon stuff.

So... Dave's not here, man?

FurryLover001 said:
Just to be safe, I think it should be that with or without permission, if an artist has there name on the DNP list (because they wanted it there), the picture is not allowed to be uploaded

so are you suggesting that every single current post and future post where a commissioner paid for a dnp artist to draw their own character and they got a permission from the dnp artist to upload the drwaing here (since they paid for it and they own the character) should be deleted? do you realize what kind of shitstorm it would cause?

Poorly thought out idea, please consider all pros/cons and ways to circumvent said idea before suggesting.

Just by reading title these two came to my mind:
1. Uploader wont put artist as a tag.
2. What if said artist has DNP and free art?

DelurC said:
2. What if said artist has DNP and free art?

conditional dnp =/= dnp

Xch3l's eSix Extend has a feature on it that gives a warning if an artist is DNP when posting their stuff. Just a red message below the tag box I think. I think it'd be nice to see that implemented into the actual site.

It's just a little warning that doesn't actually stop you uploading, so people can still continue if they have permission or desire to be banned.

Then what about a compromise regarding blocking all, (DNP and) conditional DNP can be uploaded just fine like now but gets the "popup" warning and is additionally automatically added to a list so that janitor+ can easily find and review them? Or just something like @savageorange said.

Mutisija said:
conditional dnp =/= dnp

I meant what I said, completely free, not CDNP.

DelurC said:
I meant what I said, completely free, not CDNP.

if you mean like money vice: dnp does not mean pay content. any artist can be added to dnp list for whatever reason, and many of them are on dnp list just because they do not want that their art gets posted here.

Another consideration against the proposal: The avoid_posting list also lists those with conditional DNPs.

From conditional_dnp:

Important: This list may be outdated, always check the Avoid Posting List for the official and newest list of DNP and conditional DNP content.

(And it is outdated, as of this post. The CDNP list is last dated Feb 23 of this year, though I know of at least one entry that was made recently, for edits of images by vilani or anything not posted to one of her free art archives.)

Mutisija said:
so are you suggesting that every single current post and future post where a commissioner paid for a dnp artist to draw their own character and they got a permission from the dnp artist to upload the drwaing here (since they paid for it and they own the character) should be deleted? do you realize what kind of shitstorm it would cause?

I never said that.
Don't put words in my mouth man. Not cool!

FurryLover001 said:
I never said that.
Don't put words in my mouth man. Not cool!

but didnt you literally suggested that this site would auto reject all dnp posts? it would mean autorejecting also those who have actually permission and right to upload it here.

Mutisija said:
but didnt you literally suggested that this site would auto reject all dnp posts? it would mean autorejecting also those who have actually permission and right to upload it here.

Um isn't there a rule on this site where when a new rule applies, it don't not take effect to artwork that was uploaded beforehand?

FurryLover001 said:
Um isn't there a rule on this site where when a new rule applies, it don't not take effect to artwork that was uploaded beforehand?

Not sure how that is relevant.

Some of the DNP artists currently upload their own art here. But the feature you suggested would automatically delete their posts. That's no good.

Genjar said:
Not sure how that is relevant.

Some of the DNP artists currently upload their own art here. But the feature you suggested would automatically delete their posts. That's no good.

Uh, no he didn't. He said it's not allowed to upload, not old pictures get removed.

Lol how much more attention this suggestion got after it was made as own thread instead posted in feature request thread.

Furrin_Gok said:
Uh, no he didn't. He said it's not allowed to upload, not old pictures get removed.

And I'm pretty sure what Genjar meant that the post that was about to be uploaded gets deleted, even if they do have permission for it or if the artist themselves are trying to upload it. Makes it impossible to upload, easy to counter by simply not adding the artist tag and most likely doesn't effect DNP uploads that much.

I would almost say that checker made with javascript, which simply prompt user to double check if they are allowed to post stuff if they add in certain tags would work. Just not sure how much more efficient that would be compared to simply ctrl+f the DNP list and users are told to check what is allowed and not to post as DNP ain't only thing.

FurryLover001 said:
Um isn't there a rule on this site where when a new rule applies, it don't not take effect to artwork that was uploaded beforehand?

even if it affected only in future posts, it would do a lot of damage. there is no reason to reject posts for being dnp when the uploader has permission from the dnp artist to upload their stuff.

and like mentioned above, some dnp artists upload their own art here. autorejecting art for being dnp would literally make them unable to uplaod their own art here.

the dnp list is not absolute, there are some special exceptions when dnp content is allowed. this is why the autorejection is bad idea.