Since the new rules are in place now, does that mean princess bubblegum and Marceline are no longer allowed on the site since the only features they have are their skin? :/

Marceline/Marshal Lee is allowed because of her/his pointy ears... Sometimes...

People don't even speak up at this site. Most of the people registered here don't look at the forums and just mindlessly fap. I bet they aren't even aware of some of the rules because of this.

Really, the only people who make the decisions are the admins.

To many, I'll seem like a whiner, but this is what it looks like to me. I mean no offense to any admins. I'm just saying that not enough people speak up.

HypnoBitch said:
Really, the only people who make the decisions are the admins.

Well, that is their job.

Can't blame the people for not speaking up, they don't have to cater to your whims and enjoy what you enjoy, nor should they bother with anything they don't need to... If people want to speak up, then my advice is to organize their efforts, learn thy enemy, and have backup plans because regardless of their words, other people don't have to listen.

*don't take this as me targeting, I'm just saying my piece. Also, I legitimately think AutoCorrect died on me*

BlueDingo said:
Well, that is their job.

I know. I'm just concerned.

Siral_Exan said:
Can't blame the people for not speaking up, they don't have to cater to your whims and enjoy what you enjoy, nor should they bother with anything they don't need to.. If people want to speak up, then my advice is to organize their efforts, learn thy enemy, and have backup plans because regardless of their words, other people don't have to listen.

You are right. But I don't expect them to like what I like. I just thought that there would at least be someone else other than me that's concerned by the new rules. But no one is. I know there's more people than the ones who speak on the forums.

since the new rules are in place now

the rules are not new... like at all... it has been this way at least since 2014 when the stricter no human only content rules were posted on forums. and before that you had only a slight chance to get it through.

Mutisija said:
the rules are not new... like at all... it has been this way at least since 2014 when the stricter no human only content rules were posted on forums. and before that you had only a slight chance to get it through.

This was posted a month ago. https://e621.net/forum/show/211864

Princess Bubblegum is allowed because she appears nonhuman (face structure). Humanized versions like post #942528 and post #942505 no longer pass moderation.

Marceline generally makes the cut thanks to her pointy ears.

My personal opinion is that neither should be allowed, they're barely nonhuman and not remotely furry.

HypnoBitch said:
This was posted a month ago. https://e621.net/forum/show/211864

thats referring to the fact that the uploading guidelines page (the entire uploading guidelines page is very recent addition) was updated and few missing points were added. the actual rule has been in use since 2014 at least.
like i said, its already fairly old rule and definitely not a new groundbreaking rule thats gonna change everything.

Mutisija said:
thats referring to the fact that the uploading guidelines page (the entire uploading guidelines page is very recent addition) was updated and few missing points were added. the actual rule has been in use since 2014 at least.
like i said, its already fairly old rule and definitely not a new groundbreaking rule thats gonna change everything.

Fuck it all. I'm headed to bed. Let's just end the discussion here. I can't win.

Mutisija said:
thats referring to the fact that the uploading guidelines page (the entire uploading guidelines page is very recent addition) was updated and few missing points were added. the actual rule has been in use since 2014 at least.
like i said, its already fairly old rule and definitely not a new groundbreaking rule thats gonna change everything.

And that was an unwritten rule since the page came into existence, back then it was also that "submissions of exceptional quality" might be approved regardless of theme.

HypnoBitch said:
Since the new rules are in place now, does that mean princess bubblegum and Marceline are no longer allowed on the site since the only features they have are their skin? :/

Everything in the uploading guidelines has been part of the approval system for at least 2 years, with the only exception being how we handle photographs. The rest are just clarifications.
In fact, the entire purpose of those guidelines is simply to have our approval system easily accessible for users to reference so there is less guess work for them involved. Nothing more and nothing less.

Though I probably could have made it more clear in the forum that the guidelines page is just a collection of established rules we use, and not actually new rules.

leomole said:
Princess Bubblegum is allowed because she appears nonhuman (face structure). Humanized versions like post #942528 and post #942505 no longer pass moderation.

Marceline generally makes the cut thanks to her pointy ears.

My personal opinion is that neither should be allowed, they're barely nonhuman and not remotely furry.

Not true:
post #1015223 got deleted for being irrelevant despite only being humanoid and not human. See source

Furrin_Gok said:
Not true:
post #1015223 got deleted for being irrelevant despite only being humanoid and not human. See source

it looks like pretty regular stylished human but like with one pointy tooth

Mutisija said:
it looks like pretty regular stylished human but like with one pointy tooth

Same with Princess Bubblegum, except she doesn't get the tooth.

Furrin_Gok said:
Same with Princess Bubblegum, except she doesn't get the tooth.

thats exactly why in most cases she gets deleted for looking like human. but in some cases she looks more humanoid than human.

leomole said:
... My personal opinion is that neither (Marceline nor Peebles) should be allowed, they're barely nonhuman and not remotely furry.

I love the math out of Adventure Time, and I still agree with this; undead such as vampires and zombies are a pretty tough sell.

A zombified human is as much as human as a zombified dragon is a dragon. if a zombified dragon is still considered a dragon, a zombified human should still be considered a human.

Ditto for vampiric ones.

BlueDingo said:
A zombified human is as much as human as a zombified dragon is a dragon. if a zombified dragon is still considered a dragon, a zombified human should still be considered a human.

Ditto for vampiric ones.

this to the umpteenth power

BlueDingo said:
A zombified human is as much as human as a zombified dragon is a dragon. if a zombified dragon is still considered a dragon, a zombified human should still be considered a human.

Ditto for vampiric ones.

At first I thought you were saying "as much as a zombified dragon is a human" and was about to disagree, then I realized you were saying dragon there, not human, so +1 to that.

BlueDingo said:
A zombified human is as much as human as a zombified dragon is a dragon. if a zombified dragon is still considered a dragon, a zombified human should still be considered a human.

Ditto for vampiric ones.

But there is such a thing as a full blooded vampire with no human DNA at all. They're like demons though.

HypnoBitch said:
But there is such a thing as a full blooded vampire with no human DNA at all. They're like demons though.

That's not the mythological vampire, that's just something stealing a name.

HypnoBitch said:
But there is such a thing as a full blooded vampire with no human DNA at all. They're like demons though.

But do they look like demons or humans with filed down teeth?

HypnoBitch said:
But there is such a thing as a full blooded vampire with no human DNA at all. They're like demons though.

What do you mean when you say "they're like demons"? I mean, does Buer) look like a vampire? I think you misconstrued demon with demonic.

NotMeNotYou said:
But do they look like demons or humans with filed down teeth?

Well, according to lore, they had hideous leather-like skin and had clawed hands and feet, and I'm pretty sure not human. Most vampires we know today are drawn with a romantic setting. The original vampire was ugly and had nothing to do with romance. Many even had more batlike features like wings.

HypnoBitch said:
Well, according to lore, they had hideous leather-like skin and had clawed hands and feet, and I'm pretty sure not human. Most vampires we know today are drawn with a romantic setting. The original vampire was ugly and had nothing to do with romance.

As thought... that is a monster, not a demon.

Siral_Exan said:
As thought... that is a monster, not a demon.

Technically, Demons ARE monsters. <_<

HypnoBitch said:
Technically, Demons ARE monsters. <_<

demons could be seen as a type of monster but demon does not mean same as monster.

Mutisija said:
demons could be seen as a type of monster but demon does not mean same as monster.

If it's a type of monster, then it's still a goddamn monster. Lol.

HypnoBitch said:
If it's a type of monster, then it's still a goddamn monster. Lol.

yes? but the fact that demons are a type of monster does not mean that all monsters (like vampires in this case) are demons. just like the fact that tiger is a type of feline animal does not mean that all felines are tigers.

HypnoBitch said:
Technically, Demons ARE monsters. <_<

Demons are of a larger family, monsters are more limited. In some mythos, some monsters are demons and vice versa, but there are more demons then there are monsters. Buer isn't a monster...

Mutisija said:
yes? but the fact that demons are a type of monster does not mean that all monsters (like vampires in this case) are demons. just like the fact that tiger is a type of feline animal does not mean that all felines are tigers.

But I'm not saying all monsters are demons. I'm saying all demons are monsters. <_<

Siral_Exan said:
Demons are of a larger family, monsters are more limited. In some mythos, some monsters are demons and vice versa, but there are more demons then there are monsters. Buer isn't a monster...

Buer?

HypnoBitch said:
Buer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buer_(demon)

A demon of logic, philosophy, and herbs. They even heal infirmaries and bestow good familiars. That is by no regard a description of a monster.

Siral_Exan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buer_(demon)

A demon of logic, philosophy, and herbs. They even heal infirmaries and bestow good familiars. That is by no regard a description of a monster.

Um... That looks like a monster to me.

HypnoBitch said:
Um... That looks like a monster to me.

Well, I recognize that as the demon Buer. You misconstrued demons as monsters, so you clearly know what you are talking about, but you've even said that they're like vampires ... that is certainly no vampire.

Siral_Exan said:
Well, I recognize that as the demon Buer. You misconstrued demons as monsters, so you clearly know what you are talking about, but you've even said that they're like vampires ... that is certainly no vampire.

Um... You may wanna reread my post.

HypnoBitch said:
Um... You may wanna reread my post.

Do you not know what a monster is? Werewolves, zombies, banshees, wendigo, and even vampires?

You wish to make a generalization...?

Siral_Exan said:
Do you not know what a monster is? Werewolves, zombies, banshees, wendigo, and even vampires?

You wish to make a generalization...?

What? I know what a monster is.

HypnoBitch said:
What? I know what a monster is.

That was a list of mythical creatures, not monsters. Wendigo might qualify, but that's it.

Furrin_Gok said:
That was a list of mythical creatures, not monsters. Wendigo might qualify, but that's it.

I mean, does folklore count as mythical?

*edit* wow, how did I get mythological from mythical? AC really is dieing on me!

Furrin_Gok said:
That was a list of mythical creatures, not monsters. Wendigo might qualify, but that's it.

Siral_Exan said:
I mean, does folklore count as mythical?

*edit* wow, how did I get mythological from mythical? AC really is dieing on me!

You guys are seriously just trying to keep this going. I'm done. Nite.

HypnoBitch said:
Well, according to lore, they had hideous leather-like skin and had clawed hands and feet, and I'm pretty sure not human. Most vampires we know today are drawn with a romantic setting. The original vampire was ugly and had nothing to do with romance. Many even had more batlike features like wings.

Then it's not human and would be approved.

In many original lores, daemons weren't monstrous in attitude and personality. Oftentimes, they weren't even monstrous in personality. But early Christianity had issues with any superpowered mythical creature that wasn't angelic in origin (and a few who were), so even the good daemons were unfairly equated with devils and pitched into the Hellfire. Call it an evolution in cultural and social perceptions with not everyone working off the same perception.

What one person means by a monster might be entirely different from what another person does. Some define a monster by its actions, so a good but hideous creature might not be considered a monster while a pretty yet nasty one would. Others would define the good creature as a monster anyway. There's also people who don't see being a monster as a bad thing. And of course, one person's evil monster might be another's evil but non-monstrous creature.

When there's confusion like in this thread about a term, it's because everyone is assuming everyone is defining it the same way when they're not. It's best to take a moment and define what the term means to you, and then be open to negotiation to a definition (hopefully accurate) everyone can work with.

But as NotMeNotYou points out, it's irrelevant to this thread whether a creature is a monster or demon or something else entirely. The real issue is whether they're too human-looking or not. The line is already very blurry in some cases (kemonomimi, for example), that it can't be nailed down precisely because everyone has a different idea where to stick the nails. If you've got your doubts, I'd say you can either not post the picture or ask the admins for their advice first before posting.