Well here you go, kind of makes my claim valid. That guy shouldn't have been able to take down most of what he uploaded. Either that rule is outdated or I got a wrong answer for my case for some reason

That page is outdated. I make the rules. If I say the rules are in a way, then they are that way.

NotMeNotYou said:
That page is outdated. I make the rules. If I say the rules are in a way, then they are that way.

If you make them, it's your responsibility to keep the rules pages updated so the users would actually KNOW the rules. There's no mindreaders here.
If you keep the written rules one way and then act against them it just makes you and the site look bad.

Bozar said:
If you make them, it's your responsibility to keep the rules pages updated so the users would actually KNOW the rules. There's no mindreaders here.
If you keep the written rules one way and then act against them it just makes you and the site look bad.

If you wish to have the rules updated, then type up a \[code]\[/code] for the new edition (Probably good to also stick it into a \[section]\[/section] to ensure you aren't sending an immediate wall of text) yourself and DMail it to NMNY. Our admins are very busy with other things, and it's easy enough for other users to inform each other, or to just go and read up on recent forums.

Furrin_Gok said:
If you wish to have the rules updated, then type up a \[code]\[/code] for the new edition (Probably good to also stick it into a \[section]\[/section] to ensure you aren't sending an immediate wall of text) yourself and DMail it to NMNY. Our admins are very busy with other things, and it's easy enough for other users to inform each other, or to just go and read up on recent forums.

Are you kidding? How WOULD I KNOW that the rules need to be updated?! I don't make them.

Bozar said:
If you make them, it's your responsibility to keep the rules pages updated so the users would actually KNOW the rules. There's no mindreaders here.
If you keep the written rules one way and then act against them it just makes you and the site look bad.

That changed before I took over, but yes, it's on the radar that there is still some outdated information flying around in various places that changed long ago but was forgotten about.

Bozar said:
Are you kidding? How WOULD I KNOW that the rules need to be updated?! I don't make them.

And that's why we're given no-record warnings nowadays. The rules aren't always immediately obvious. You can still send an update for the portions of rules you do know changed if you want those, at least, updated.

Furrin_Gok said:
If you wish to have the rules updated, then type up a \[code]\[/code] for the new edition (Probably good to also stick it into a \[section]\[/section] to ensure you aren't sending an immediate wall of text) yourself and DMail it to NMNY. Our admins are very busy with other things, and it's easy enough for other users to inform each other, or to just go and read up on recent forums.

Furrin_Gok said:
And that's why we're given no-record warnings nowadays. The rules aren't always immediately obvious. You can still send an update for the portions of rules you do know changed if you want those, at least, updated.

What are you even talking about?

All rules that, if broken, will lead to disciplinary action are contained within e621:rules. There are no exceptions to this, and that rules page is updated before any changes go live.

Also, please show me which record has been given out for a rule that doesn't exist in there.

Besides that, those "no-record" warnings are generally things that are against the rules but are of negligible importance, like jaywalking at 2am over an empty street.

Edit: Submitted an updated takedown policy page text to our devs, it'll most likely go live with the next update soonish.

Neitsuke said:
Well here you go, kind of makes my claim valid. That guy shouldn't have been able to take down most of what he uploaded. Either that rule is outdated or I got a wrong answer for my case for some reason

Remove all his uploaded pictures will be accepted by E-621 rules if he can proves he's the artist or character's owner . Or else he'll have no rights on them

For my part and in despite of the rules ; i continue to consider that the artist is the one owner of the picture , what ever the artwork shows . Can someone to imagine what will happen here if Disney requests a takedown for all pictures showing a character from one of their movies , arguing they haven't given the authorization ?

RHEI-RAT said:
Can someone to imagine what will happen here if Disney requests a takedown for all pictures showing a character from one of their movies , arguing they haven't given the authorization ?

Again, Disney, as the copyright holder of all their movie characters, have in their complete rights to request for all artworks containing their characters to be removed/taken down. However it's highly unlikely for this scenario to happen because it isn't hurting the company significantly/financially yet, but quite the opposite, as more fanart of their characters mean more exposure and thus more followers buying their merchandise/buying tickets for their movies.

For them to suddenly takedown everything from not just e6 but from the Internet would do even more damage to them than before, just by dicking over their fans online would produce a major backlash.

As for single character owners like the one that took down your upload, they aren't really getting any benifits out of the added exposure yet, they might be getting the exact opposite like negative remarks/comments about their characters or people stealing them(most commonly to roleplay, etc.), that's why some character owners don't want the exposure, as to protect their characters from being potentially stolen of defamed on a foreign site.

And for that, we have the rules to protect certain character owner's rights, by allowing them to takedown artworks containing their characters. For her to request a takedown of her character is quite reasonable, because a random stranger that she doesn't know has uploaded her character onto another site that she's not fond with.

TheGreatWolfgang said:
For them to suddenly takedown everything from not just e6 but from the Internet would do even more damage to them than before, just by dicking over their fans online would produce a major backlash.

I watch a fair number Disney movies (I don't watch many movies as a whole, but that's one of the greater chunks), and I can vouch for myself that if they did this, I would stop supporting them.