It is a documentary film about the furry fandom that was released last year, back in January or May.

It's not your typical film about what furries are and anything, but rather it touches on various other topics like fursuiting and the principles behind it, mainstream media against furries, a little bit on the online community and the "dark side" of it.

I would seriously recommend watching this film, it really is eye-opening and thought-provoking. It makes me question, Do we as being part of this fandom have the responsibility to present it in a good light to the mainstream media? And how does that makes us when we are the ones archiving all the porn?

I would like to hear other people's thoughts on this (if anybody has watched it that is).

We could be good representatives of this group that we're a part of.

Or we could notice ur bulge :3

owo what's this

The very fact it's a question whether someone who's part of a group should be "presenting it in a good light" to people they meet is really all we need to know about the furry fandom

So let's say a reporter decides to exploit us for being that "dark side" of the fandom, they ask questions like "Why do you have all these lewd furry content?". And they would expect us to reply with "BECAUSE WE LOVE FAPPING TO THESE SEXY CREATURES LOLOLOLOLOL XDDDDddd". That would decimate the reputation of not just us but the whole fandom because they LOVE to exaggerate news.

Don't say that it would never happen, they have done desperate things before to get a story and make a profit. You have seen what they did to YouTube...

wew let's beat this dead horse to the ground -

I consider the furry fandom to be a celebration of the self. I see people attempting to present themselves exactly as they would like to be portrayed.

Will furries continue to appear in sensationalized exposés? Yeah. So will other subcultures.

Is the majority of the furry fandom driven by sexuality? Yes. Let's not kid ourselves. If that's what an individual values, why not? Does that reflect your values?

What other people do is irrelevant. Your identity should be what determines the value of the community - not the other way around - to yourself and only yourself.

If you identify so strongly with the less explicit part of the furry fandom that you feel the need to defend its reputation, then be the change you want to see. Commission more safe-for-work content. Find high quality safe-for-work content and upload it here. Make high quality safe-for-work content.

Or don't. Makes no difference to me. I'll be here, doing what I like: helping people find it all.

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Knotty_Curls said:
Find high quality safe-for-work content and upload it here.

Like I was doing before. I probably should start doing that again.

Knotty_Curls said:
Or don't. Makes no difference to me. I'll be here, doing what I like: helping people find it all.

Like I am doing now. It wouldn't be so bad if so much of it wasn't badly undertagged.

Knotty_Curls said:
EAT MY LEFT BALL.

Why not the right one? Is there something wrong with it?

Knotty_Curls said:
(everything else)

Too right. You do your thing and fuck everyone else.

just for fun: everyone might want to check out the Fur Science authoritative survey. among questions asked and answered is how gay the fandom really is, and how much porn they have. the answers to both is "a lot".

i find the prospect of indulging what has never existed, and what will never exist, an exciting one. the prospect of seeing brilliantly perfect characters created. new ideas made all the time. not to mention the consistently good quality of the art.

it can't be a coincidence that there are so many furries... surely there must be a common thread among them.

TFW you are less than 6 degrees removed from a "celebrity".

One thing that gets me is furry being singled out for people having sex,when other people in other fandoms have sex as well. I have heard stories about what goes on at Renaissance faires in those tents when the general public leaves. Everyone has sex,sex is normal.

Axelthefox said:
One thing that gets me is furry being singled out for people having sex,when other people in other fandoms have sex as well. I have heard stories about what goes on at Renaissance faires in those tents when the general public leaves. Everyone has sex,sex is normal.

It's less about what they're doing and more about what they're doing it to.

BlueDingo said:
It's less about what they're doing and more about what they're doing it to.

Here's a better example. How many people assume most Homestucks are sexually attracted to horned grey humanoid species with four types of romance, or that being a Homestuck implies interest in the other types in the same manner people associate furries with interest in yiffing?

I saw bits and pieces of it, and all it did was re-affirm my beliefs to the community at large. I find it funny how people say that the furry fandom is supportive in the sense that it helps people. Yet all I see is enabling habits that would otherwise be unhealthy in the long run. Yes, you can say that not all furries are like that, but its literally all you see in the fandom; the excessive tunnel vision-esque interest in porn, the submissive, coddling attitude towards terrible traits and mannerisms, and so forth. The community might have legitimately helped a lot of people, but that wasn't the case for me.

Otherwise, I could really care less what people do in the fandom.

The video seemed to take a interest in Uncle Kage,of course the part of the furs smoking weed could have been done withouth.

Fenrick said:
We could be good representatives of this group that we're a part of.

Or we could notice ur bulge :3

owo what's this

pls no

Aanyi said:
I saw bits and pieces of it, and all it did was re-affirm my beliefs to the community at large. I find it funny how people say that the furry fandom is supportive in the sense that it helps people. Yet all I see is enabling habits that would otherwise be unhealthy in the long run. Yes, you can say that not all furries are like that, but its literally all you see in the fandom; the excessive tunnel vision-esque interest in porn, the submissive, coddling attitude towards terrible traits and mannerisms, and so forth. The community might have legitimately helped a lot of people, but that wasn't the case for me.

Otherwise, I could really care less what people do in the fandom.

Absolutely this. Furries have this really naïve idea that they have to be tolerant of everything to the extent that some are absolutely bewildered at any furs who have a problem with things like publicly shitting in diapers. Have a little decency, folks.

And what kind of person needs to share their porn interests without being asked? Don't do that either, kids.

And that's to say nothing of actual zoo stuff

To be honest I'm to much of a chicken to watch
or read any furry theme documentsenty, Dood.
╹ ///╹)

The best way to explain where the chicken-ness is coming from would be to compare it
to the time your folks have "the talk" with you.
I just get really really REALLY flustered to the point I stop it after
5 or 6 seconds after a peep drops the word 'Furry' to bary my face in my pillow.
(I just can't! >//<)

Though from the way you put it the movie sounds pretty darn informative and
I'm glad. ╹‿╹)
The media and furries have never really been on a first name bases;
Let's not kid ourselves. Peeps think we're weird for liking what we
like and honestly we kinda are. But hearing that this film is out there
is such a ray of hope! ◠‿◠)
Peeps are actually making the effort to try to understand us now without just
labeling us this and that on the spot. And that's Awesome ◠‿╹)

maybe when I have a bit more of a back bone I'll watch this movie too
~//w//~)

Maybe.
(T//w/~

Don't Quote me on that.
T//w//T)

kamimatsu said:
Here's a better example. How many people assume most Homestucks are sexually attracted to horned grey humanoid species with four types of romance, or that being a Homestuck implies interest in the other types in the same manner people associate furries with interest in yiffing?

I don't think this is a great comparison because Homestuck is an identifiable, specific piece of media. Furry is not. Yes, there are books and comics that appeal to furries intentionally or unintentionally, but the furry fandom as a whole is not based around them. It's instead a more ambiguous theme. The furry fandom is almost a fandom for the fandom itself.

Ren faires are a better comparison imo- there's overlap with some IPs, but largely it's a fanbase centered around itself and the art and community it makes. The sci-fi fandom (or at least the less mainstream side of it) is also similar in the sense that a lot of the people in it are artists and writers who are fans of each other. Neither of these communities get nearly the same sexual reputation, and there are a few factors for this.

One- there's less outside appeal for non-sexual furry-centered media. What I mean by this is that if you aren't already a furry, having the main character just happen to be a fox isn't going to make a non-sexual slice-of-life story more appealing. It actually might be a turn-off if the non-furry audience is confused by the decision to use talking animals or associates talking animals with childrens' stories. Same goes for art.

The same lack of appeal doesn't appear to apply to porn. People who are not otherwise furries may still look at furry porn either because it's 'exotic' and novelty is a huge factor in arousal, they like other aspects of the image, they have another niche fetish that frequently overlaps with furry, or because it's frequently shared by cringe and snark channels. Because non-furries are more likely to seek out furry porn than SFW furry media, that's going to represent more of what they see.

That a lot of furry porn is gay is also a factor. Heterosexual porn is more mainstream and expressions of straight sexuality is more commonly accepted and isn't perceived the same way. Gay interactions are frequently seen as more inherently sexual or in-your-face, even when it's relatively tame.

Finally there's a bit of a loop going on in the fandom where it's seen as a sexual thing which attracts more openly sexual people and I think it also to a degree makes people feel like they can be more openly sexual. Ultimately though furries are more open about their sexuality, especially the lgbt and kink aspects, than other similar kinds of fans.

Been waiting for this to come out, just bought it.

Should be delivered the 11th and then I shall post my thoughts of it!

one would think a documentary about furries would be freely released online to those furries. it has yet to be - hmm...

one would also think we would get a documentary before the bronies - double hmm...

fewrahuxo said:
one would think a documentary about furries would be freely released online to those furries. it has yet to be - hmm...

It's not like furries are entitled to get a film for free just because the film is about furries.

wolftacos said:
It's not like furries are entitled to get a film for free just because the film is about furries.

furries? no, not particularly. but i like the idea that once a film is made, it stays made. and having stayed made, can be distributed infinitely and for free, and i like the idea of artists who willingly follow this philosophy, this reality of the internet we live in.

certainly it would be nice if the author turns a profit off it, though they aren't entitled to that, for as far as i know nobody was paying them to produce this film, and have to rely on the generosity of their audience.

and lets be honest, charging for something - even just a penny - means it's a lot less likely to be viewed. for instance, i can't afford it, so i won't see it. an artist has to decide whether they want to make money or be seen. very few can have both.

The people making the movie most likely had to pay quite a lot to get it made.

You have to rent camera and sound equipment, find people who can operate it. Get someone who can edit video and sound. Get producers, distributors, etc. Those are just basic things I'm thinking of, a lot more goes into making a movie than what I know.

They ARE entitled to making a profit off of it.

Even if they had to pay $0 to film, edit, and produce this movie, they're still entitled to make a profit off of it because they created it. They put their time and effort into it.

wolftacos said:
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i believe the folks working on Mars Needs Moms also felt entitled to their profit - they did spend $150 million dollars on it. sadly the audience disagreed, and so they only made $39 million.

everyone happens to feel their thing is worth spending money on, and yet there is only so much money to go around. perhaps the movie is worth every penny, no matter the cost. but even if it cost a penny, i still couldn't watch it. it's the loss of the filmmaker to have so many fans cast away because they are unable to watch.

today's fan, after all, is tomorrow's customer.

I never saw Mars Needs Moms but it has a 37% on Rotten Tomatoes so I'm going to go out on a limb and say "the audience disagreed" because it was a terrible movie, not because they were angered that the people who made it dared to charge people for it.

wolftacos said:
[...]

it so happens that Batman v Superman got a 28%, and made $873 million against $250 million. the difference being Mars Needs Moms was dead on arrival.

perhaps people would like to pay for what they want to see, whether it be Batman v Superman or a documentary about furries. in the case of this documentary, i expect it to be at least profitable; furries are known for having spending money.

but once they do make a tidy profit, it would be nice of them to give back to the community and release it for free. as we are the reason the movie exists, so too are we most likely to appreciate it.

fewrahuxo said:
one would also think we would get a documentary before the bronies - double hmm...

Furries at the time the brony doc was released were still being pretty closed-off to the media. For a long time furries did not want media attention due to a few bad experiences with media early in the fandom and that is just starting to change.

wolftacos said:
The people making the movie most likely had to pay quite a lot to get it made.

You have to rent camera and sound equipment, find people who can operate it. Get someone who can edit video and sound. Get producers, distributors, etc. Those are just basic things I'm thinking of, a lot more goes into making a movie than what I know.

They ARE entitled to making a profit off of it.

Even if they had to pay $0 to film, edit, and produce this movie, they're still entitled to make a profit off of it because they created it. They put their time and effort into it.

fewrahuxo said:
i believe the folks working on Mars Needs Moms also felt entitled to their profit - they did spend $150 million dollars on it. sadly the audience disagreed, and so they only made $39 million.

Okay, it seems like there's a couple different things being said here? No, they're not entitled to people buying what they offer for sale. But they are perfectly entitled to offer their movie for sale if they want to.

It's also not like these people went out of their way to make it inaccessible to furries or only showed it off at non-furry film festivals. They had screenings at furry conventions, invited furries to attend the premiere, and I believe they offered it for free viewing for a period of time after release.

regsmutt said:Okay, it seems like there's a couple different things being said here? No, they're not entitled to people buying what they offer for sale. But they are perfectly entitled to offer their movie for sale if they want to.

You've said it much better, thank you.

Got Fursonas in the mail today and just finished watching it.

Most of the show was about stuff I didn't know about, or didn't know much of. I am not part of the fursuiting or con community so that was new, and I also had never heard of Boomer or Chewfox and their controversy within the fandom.

I was disappointed though because I thought the whole movie was going to be about "what is a furry" and "why/how does a person become a furry". In a way I guess it was, and there were definitely parts that had input on that question, but it ended up focusing a lot on the controversy within the fandom instead. That's not bad, it's just not what I was expecting.

This is a movie I'd be comfortable showing to a few close people and family members who are interested in the fandom itself. The only thing that makes me more restrictive on the idea of lending my BluRay to people is the dildos and cumlube demonstration (which was great because I'd honestly never seen what cumlube looked like sticking to stuff, but not everyone would appreciate that as much as I did lol).

The whole thing reminded me of why I feel so close to the fandom, and at the same time why the fandom makes me so nervous. The idea of the community being so open and tolerating, yet ready to rip into anyone it views as "cringey" is very unsettling.

Good movie, worth the money. I have a small list of people already that I'll be lending it to.

wolftacos said:

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Got Fursonas in the mail today and just finished watching it.

Most of the show was about stuff I didn't know about, or didn't know much of. I am not part of the fursuiting or con community so that was new, and I also had never heard of Boomer or Chewfox and their controversy within the fandom.

I was disappointed though because I thought the whole movie was going to be about "what is a furry" and "why/how does a person become a furry". In a way I guess it was, and there were definitely parts that had input on that question, but it ended up focusing a lot on the controversy within the fandom instead. That's not bad, it's just not what I was expecting.

This is a movie I'd be comfortable showing to a few close people and family members who are interested in the fandom itself. The only thing that makes me more restrictive on the idea of lending my BluRay to people is the dildos and cumlube demonstration (which was great because I'd honestly never seen what cumlube looked like sticking to stuff, but not everyone would appreciate that as much as I did lol).

The whole thing reminded me of why I feel so close to the fandom, and at the same time why the fandom makes me so nervous. The idea of the community being so open and tolerating, yet ready to rip into anyone it views as "cringey" is very unsettling.

Good movie, worth the money. I have a small list of people already that I'll be lending it to.

Lol, I'd already mentioned in my first post that it wasn't your typical what is a furry documentary.

And then the whole tone of the movie takes a turn when a wall of Bad Dragon dildos and cumlube appeared. I was actually surprised that they included him when they discussed about the sexual aspects of the fandom.

But ultimately the movie tells us about how it's actually like for fursuiting in the furry fandom and how media would consistently try to exploit the "bad" side of it just to get their ratings.

Well, at least you felt that it was a good movie! :)
Now let's just hope nobody does a documentary on the online furry fandom. XD

TheGreatWolfgang said:
Lol, I'd already mentioned in my first post that it wasn't your typical what is a furry documentary.

And then the whole tone of the movie takes a turn when a wall of Bad Dragon dildos and cumlube appeared. I was actually surprised that they included him when they discussed about the sexual aspects of the fandom.

But ultimately the movie tells us about how it's actually like for fursuiting in the furry fandom and how media would consistently try to exploit the "bad" side of it just to get their ratings.

Well, at least you felt that it was a good movie! :)
Now let's just hope nobody does a documentary on the online furry fandom. XD

After I had posted I reread the first posts, I had totally forgotten what you had said, lol. Whoops.

I honestly hope this opens the door for more things like it. The more something is talked about, the less it becomes strange and weird.

The Bad Dragon bit also surprised me. But dang, that that cumlube, seriously how have I not looked up what it looked like before? I had only seen it in bottles on the site. That was wild.

I am not sure if this is the thread to talk about things other than Fursonas, but I mentioned that I hoped it would open the door for more documentaries about furries. Then suddenly, someone submitted an advertisement for a 10 minute mini documentary on FA!

I really enjoyed it so I wanted to share it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INSfelbJ3QA