Implicating master_sword → sword
Link to implication

Reason:

The master sword is a sword.

Related:

• hylian_shield I-> shield

+1 for the obvious

+1 for both. Seem appropriate.

Also implying both to 'the_legend_of_zelda'.

+1

A legendary sword is still a sword.

Approved

Knotty_Curls said:
Approved

But what about the related suggestion, as well the implications to 'the_legend_of_zelda'?

O16 said:

Also implying both to 'the_legend_of_zelda'.

Related question: are these types of implications always approve-able? How vague do we get in terms or objects or symbols before it doesn't really need to imply the relevant series or copyright tags?
Master_sword isn't too far removed from the games usually, what about triforce?

Other example: portal_gun implies Portal and Valve, but should the very distinct yellow and blue portals seen in the games also get the copyright tags?

Ijerk said:
Related question: are these types of implications always approve-able? How vague do we get in terms or objects or symbols before it doesn't really need to imply the relevant series or copyright tags?

"Always" is a bit too far. If it is a feature easily recognisable as belonging to a specific copyright, then it should get the tag for that copyright.

Ijerk said:
Master_sword isn't too far removed from the games usually, what about triforce?

It probably should be implicated as well. The only problem is people tagging it to any conjunct of three equilateral, congruent triangles joined together in such way to create a bigger equilateral triangle with a triangular lacuna in the center.

Ijerk said:
Other example: portal_gun implies Portal and Valve, but should the very distinct yellow and blue portals seen in the games also get the copyright tags?

Yes; if they are "very distinct".

Ijerk said:
Master_sword isn't too far removed from the games usually, what about triforce?

That's actually a real symbol used by a famous Japanese family. The game just borrowed it from that.

kamimatsu said:
That's actually a real symbol used by a famous Japanese family. The game just borrowed it from that.

Technically, yes, but when the actual Wikipedia article discusses it as a Zelda icon before even mentioning its other appearances, I think it's safe to associate the two together.

Strikerman said:
Technically, yes, but when the actual Wikipedia article discusses it as a Zelda icon before even mentioning its other appearances, I think it's safe to associate the two together.

It's really not... popularity may dictate images and symbolism, but unless the two (or more) compared are meant to tie in really well with each other (read, the Triforce references Japan culture and vice versa), assuming does not benefit should art feature only one intended effect.

I mean, should we start implying crosses to Castlevania?

Siral_Exan said:
It's really not... popularity may dictate images and symbolism, but unless the two (or more) compared are meant to tie in really well with each other (read, the Triforce references Japan culture and vice versa), assuming does not benefit should art feature only one intended effect.

I mean, should we start implying crosses to Castlevania?

Could you try rephrasing that? I can't make heads or tails out of your paragraph/sentence.

NotMeNotYou said:
Could you try rephrasing that? I can't make heads or tails out of your paragraph/sentence.

The absurdity of claiming something from a video should imply something, despite stronger real life ties.

A popular game does not define something, as Castlevania does not define the holy cross correlates to Legend of Zelda not defining a clan symbol / family crest.

Of course, it may just be me ever so happening to know that it was a reference to begin with, and not original.

kamimatsu said:
That's actually a real symbol used by a famous Japanese family. The game just borrowed it from that.

Interesting information, I admit that wasn't aware of that.

Siral_Exan said:
The absurdity of claiming something from a video should imply something, despite stronger real life ties.

can you elucidate what criteria(s) you are using to identify such "ties" as weaker or stronger than the others, please?

Siral_Exan said:
A popular game does not define something, as Castlevania does not define the holy cross correlates to Legend of Zelda not defining a clan symbol / family crest.

Does Castlevania change completely the name, origin and meaning of the holy cross as The Legend of Zelda does to the aforementioned symbol? If not, then I guess your comparison doesn't work well.

Depending of how this triangular symbol is portrayed, and the context in which it is inserted, would or not be safe to assume it represents the Triforce, and if it represents the Triforce, then the 'the_legend_of_zelda' tag is automatically applicable as well. The true issue would be the 'triforce' tag being used to any symbol with similar aspect (issue that I already mentioned in my last post on this same thread).

O16 said:
Interesting information, I admit that wasn't aware of that.

can you elucidate what criteria you are using to identify such "ties" as weaker or stronger than the others, please?

Does Castlevania change completely the name, origin and meaning of the holy cross as The Legend of Zelda does to the aforementioned symbol? If not, then I guess your comparison doesn't work well.

Depending of how this triangular symbol is portrayed, and the context in which it is inserted, would or not be safe to assume it represents the Triforce, and if it represents the Triforce, then the 'the_legend_of_zelda' tag is automatically applicable as well. The true issue would be the 'triforce' tag being used to any symbol with similar aspect (issue that I already mentioned in my last post on this same thread).

Well, the lore can either be included, which means they are similar in aspect as they are both symbols of some power (generalizing since you admitted you weren't aware), but if you exclude the lore then they are visibly identical but mean different things, from different eras.

Clearly, some people are missing my absurdity argument, I'll stop using that. Three triangles making one triangle is a symbol recognized in various regions of the world, older than the Legend of Zelda, which borrowed said symbol. Symbols can be shared across several franchises and real life occurances, but they should never imply one only. This symbol is only used once in America, outside of Nintendo, so I can't blame ya for not knowing... but there are other uses of it that aren't from Legend of Zelda. Historical accuracy can come against this, an image completely irrelevant to LoZ can spawn with the symbol.

Does the non-Zelda version have a name?

BlueDingo said:
Does the non-Zelda version have a name?

Funnily enough, I intended to double post what I think you're implying, but no, it is also referred to as Triforce (if there was a name, it is not recorded easily).

What could work is Triforce_(LoZ) and Triforce_(emblem), or some other word of similar meaning. An alias to the prior is acceptable, since the obscurity of the latter, but just having the latter is a benefit.

Siral_Exan said:

Well, the lore can either be included, which means they are similar in aspect as they are both symbols of some power (generalizing since you admitted you weren't aware), but if you exclude the lore then they are visibly identical but mean different things, from different eras.

Clearly, some people are missing my absurdity argument, I'll stop using that. Three triangles making one triangle is a symbol recognized in various regions of the world, older than the Legend of Zelda, which borrowed said symbol. Symbols can be shared across several franchises and real life occurances, but they should never imply one only. This symbol is only used once in America, outside of Nintendo, so I can't blame ya for not knowing... but there are other uses of it that aren't from Legend of Zelda. Historical accuracy can come against this, an image completely irrelevant to LoZ can spawn with the symbol.

I am not saying the symbol should imply 'the_legend_of_zelda', let me explain:

If the context makes sufficiently clear that the symbol represents the Triforce, then, and only then, the post should be tagged as such; and since the Triforce belongs to The Legend of Zelda series the copyright tag should be added as well.

e.g. 1) post #1188883
Shouldn't be tagged as 'triforce'. It is an aleatory mark on a character's body that apparently has nothing to do with The Legend of Zelda.

e.g. 2) post #1227712
Should be tagged as 'triforce'. This style of shirt is relatively popular among TLoZ fans (also the symbol is in yellow and the shirt has green details, reinforcing the fact of it really being the Triforce symbol).

p.s. I am not United Statian.

O16 said:
I am not saying the symbol should imply 'the_legend_of_zelda', let me explain:

If the context makes sufficiently clear that the symbol represents the Triforce, then, and only then, the post should be tagged as such; and since the Triforce belongs tho The Legend of Zelda series the copyright tag should be added as well.

e.g. 1) post #1188883
Shouldn't be tagged as 'triforce'. It is an aleatory mark on a character's body that apparently has nothing to do with The Legend of Zelda.

e.g. 2) post #1227712
Should be tagged as 'triforce'. This style of shirt is relatively popular among TLoZ fans (also the symbol is in yellow and the shirt has green details, reinforcing the fact of it really being the Triforce symbol).

p.s. I am not United Statian.

Oh, I feel like a right scumbag... I mistook your entire comment towards me. Rereading it now, and I understand.

Siral_Exan said:
Funnily enough, I intended to double post what I think you're implying, but no, it is also referred to as Triforce (if there was a name, it is not recorded easily).

What could work is Triforce_(LoZ) and Triforce_(emblem), or some other word of similar meaning. An alias to the prior is acceptable, since the obscurity of the latter, but just having the latter is a benefit.

A conjunct of three equilateral, congruent triangles joined together in such way to create a bigger equilateral triangle with a triangular lacuna in the center isn't called 'triforce'; As far as I know, this form haven't a name.

Siral_Exan said:
Oh, I feel like a right scumbag... I mistook your entire comment towards me. Rereading it now, and I understand.

OK.

O16 said:

A conjunct of three equilateral, congruent triangles joined together in such way to create a bigger equilateral triangle with a triangular lacuna in the center isn't called 'triforce'; As far as I know, this form haven't a name.

I guess you need to know of adaptation/adoption... the term "triforce" is now used because there was no prior name; people adapted to / adopted the name triforce as a way to refer the three triangles. Otherwise, it was referred to for specific occurances, and we can't use those as they are unique, or pertaining only to the specific occurance and not general art.

Or in layman's terms: it's called triforce because someone called it a triforce. It didn't have a common name before that.

I'd say the Zelda triforce itself is unique enough that we can use a tag for it itself, since it's a specific color of yellow and usually has other hints in the image that it is the triforce in the first place.

The other occurrences are either "random" as part of a larger design or could be tagged more specifically as for what they represent i.e. mon_(hōjō_clan) or emblem_(hōjō_clan).
If it's not meant to represent something specific (eg zelda triforce, emblem of company/family clan) then it probably shouldn't be tagged as anything to begin with.