I was wondering about making a documentary-esque video that talks about why some people in the furry community like cub porn as well as covering the loli/shota community a bit as someone who's into such interests from time to time. It'll cover things such as why some people find it appealing, why most people usually scorn upon it and saying that not everyone who's interested to such questionable sex appeal are usually not child molesters which is what most people like to label anyone who remotely draws cub, loli and/or shota as because hunting down pedos is a super hot thing apparently. I would present it in a style kinda similar to Gnoggin's excellent video about furries featuring my fursona as the cartoon representation of me in pseudo-animated fashion.

I thought of such a video would be pretty interesting but I'm afraid I might get battered down heavily with negative feedback and people might report me to the authorities for no good reason because its hip to report cub artists or anyone who's remotely into it. The latter would be a much bigger problem for me as I have my dumb Asian face shown in several videos I've uploaded and I fear someone would use my face for stuff like that.

This isn't really going to be a major video project to me so not being able to make it due to it being a bad idea would be fine for me. I thought I'd share it anyway so I could hear what you guys think about such a video idea.

Furry(or any subculture) documentaries are already cringe, and they are often from a POV perspective which may not meet all people in the fandom's views.

I'd say no, to pretty much every fandom/subculture documentary ever.

We can't tell you what to do in your free time, but this is the equivalent of wearing a pro homosexuality shirt to an ISIS training camp.

No more or less godawful than these sort of posts.

MT_r34 said:
what you guys think about such a video idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjiSh_9dMAg

The bad consequences of this project will outweigh any hypothetical good outcomes by a factor of a billion.

you could make something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Hawk%3A_Men_Who_Love_Boys

In paragraph 2 you already pointed out why this project could literally harm you. People have been swatted for much less.

With or without this video, the art will still get made.

Sounds like something that would end up on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

When you ask if such a video would be "interesting", you make it sound as though you're considering doing this project on a whim, which in turn suggests to me you don't currently have the proper mindset to do this well. Ultimately, that's just an impression that doesn't necessarily determine the quality of the potentially finished product.

Relating sex and children in the same idea, even via the proxy of cub or any other art, without also including a rhetoric of "protection" is a surefire way to instigate populist viewers to froth at the mouth and then eat you alive as irrational cannibals. I don't have confidence in the average member of society to have the emotional intelligence to process such discourse with reasoned maturity. Thus, you must always be aware of that hyper-sensitivity while carefully constructing a script that tiptoes around eggshells if you want such fragile viewers to receive a positive message. If you make one mistake, then I would expect the average viewer to use that as a knee-jerk excuse to ignore your entire argument, essentially tuning you out, in favor of their preconceived opinions. [Caveat where a skilled artist can overcome the rigid doctrines of their profession.]

In my opinion, "child sex" is the single most provocative topic one can bring up, at least in the West.¹ I say that because the discussion is not a closed matter as people would like to believe (as opposed to, say, necrophilia), yet it is the topic where the greatest amount of people will shut down the discussion the fastest among other such contentious subject matter.² Needless to say, you can't discuss cub, especially not its benefits, without also squaring away the larger topic of child sex and sexuality. Not doing so would be both lazy and intellectually dishonest.

I also wonder what could be said about the topic I haven't already heard or considered. I'm intimately familiar with the "it's an outlet" argument because I can attribute cub art, and to a lesser extent furry porn at large, to keeping me from looking for trouble. Next, I've seen that supposedly harmless pedophiles are wont to make the distinction between themselves and actual child molesters, which should be a self-explanatory concept once brought to attention. Then there's the "it's not real" position which goes double for cub since it's not human either, but that's only a neutral argument rather than a supportive one for liking and encouraging the creation of cub art. What else is there to be said?

Would say the same as the guys above - explaining cub art is impossible without mentioning pedophilism in one or another way at some point.

For smart people it's sure interesting ( I would watch the video for sure), but most people don't form their opinion based on facts. Even if you come up with science, many will state their opinion how "pervert, sick, against god, whatever" it is.

Best thing would be to build it up like a documentary without as many own opinions as possible. Shit will break lose from all those moralizer no matter what or how the facts are displayed, but I think everyone who ever made an "educational" video had to deal with that.

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In short: Just do it if you think you're ready to make it

Would it be an interesting topic to talk about, I'd think so, but is it a good idea? Hell no. It's a dumpster fire waiting to happen, best to avoid the topic.

Topics like that will forever be a can of worms, and unfortunately one that only serves to damage you should you do anything that isn't outright damning any and all aspects of it. There's no middle ground for discussion, you're either for it, and demonized as a result, or against it and patted on the back for taking the "moral high ground".

It's really a shame that a good majority of people can't or refuse to think objectively, and instead choose to do what's easiest, and rely on personal bias/"muh morality" and emotion.

Do it OP

stir the pot

kick every hornet's nest

Terrible idea - you can't possibly properly represent every individual's reasons for interest in the topic and no amount of logic or reason will overcome the panic disorder surrounding the subject.

You'll probably temporarily make front pages in furry news and "hip" sites that think it's cool to reference "those weird gross furries", which at best will provoke people to dox / swat you.

Fenrick said:
Do it OP

stir the pot

kick every hornet's nest

I can honestly see this video being the catalyst for e621 getting shut down again.

I wouldn't do it, this would likely trigger a category 5 shitstorm.

JAKXXX3 said:
I can honestly see this video being the catalyst for e621 getting shut down again.

I'm not sure on what planet you live but over here we don't shut down anything for creations of unaffiliated users.

abadbird said:
When you ask if such a video would be "interesting", you make it sound as though you're considering doing this project on a whim, which in turn suggests to me you don't currently have the proper mindset to do this well.

i always avoid assuming things about users, especially in regards to what goes on in their head, because it makes me sound arrogant with my unproven opinions.

Average human IQ can not comprehend what you are saying (or rather, want to maybe try and say), it is better that they do not know/forget about it.

NotMeNotYou said:
I'm not sure on what planet you live but over here we don't shut down anything for creations of unaffiliated users.

I was referring to the legal trouble David Ross caused the site a few years about. A video like that could lead to crazy people trying to file charges against the site for hosting cub and loli/shota art.

JAKXXX3 said:
I was referring to the legal trouble David Ross caused the site a few years about. A video like that could lead to crazy people trying to file charges against the site for hosting cub and loli/shota art.

Wouldn't go anywhere (since we host only things with protection from the supreme court) and we have a much larger lawyer budget than those people could ever cough up.
The problem with David Ross and Arcturus was also much more complex than just not having the money for a good lawyer (though that played a huge role).

All in all nothing would happen that we haven't dealt with before.

NotMeNotYou said:
Wouldn't go anywhere (since we host only things with protection from the supreme court) and we have a much larger lawyer budget than those people could ever cough up.
The problem with David Ross and Arcturus was also much more complex than just not having the money for a good lawyer (though that played a huge role).

All in all nothing would happen that we haven't dealt with before.

Is selling bad dragon dilldos that lucrative?

Doomguy666 said:
Is selling bad dragon dilldos that lucrative?

The three price ranges I see on the website are:

$0–$70
$70–$130
$130+

o shit, stylin son

Doomguy666 said:
Is selling bad dragon dilldos that lucrative?

Yes.

Well, I didn't really plan on actually making such a video as I created this thread mostly to hear what you guys think about such an idea and what I've read was interesting nonetheless.

But yeah, it looks like its impossible to defend cub/loli/shota no matter how well you explain it even with a lot of very valid points to support your claims simply because the stupidity of an average person will simply outweigh whatever you say regardless and will certainly cause a shit storm that will crash down upon me (though I would actually be surprised if someone can actually swat some random bloke in the Philippines). Goes to show stupidity can beat the intelligent probably because there are more dumb people on this world than people who think objectively outside their beliefs (whether it be religious or political) unfortunately.

As long as I have easy access to cub material on this site and Inkbunny, I'm good.

wouldnt advise it, particularly not to an American audience. People would just immediately jump to misplaced conclusions that art featuring cubs(fictional underage characters) in a nude or sexualized manner equates to pedophilia after explaining what cubs are, disregarding anything at all you try to explain after that. subjects regarding children have always been particularly touchy and will always be in the future.

Also agreeing with abadbird, dont do a documentary on any subject really if its just casual interest to you, nothing ever good will come if your not vested in the subject.

MT_r34 said:
But yeah, it looks like its impossible to defend cub/loli/shota no matter how well you explain it even with a lot of very valid points to support your claims simply because the stupidity of an average person will simply outweigh whatever you say regardless and will certainly cause a shit storm that will crash down upon me (though I would actually be surprised if someone can actually swat some random bloke in the Philippines). Goes to show stupidity can beat the intelligent probably because there are more dumb people on this world than people who think objectively outside their beliefs (whether it be religious or political) unfortunately.

As long as I have easy access to cub material on this site and Inkbunny, I'm good.

Take it from a guy who did try and openly debate about it, even if you manage to debunk and argue the points and "facts" to where people have nothing left to counter you besides their own personal feelings, nothing's going to change. Their views will more often than not remain the same as they make their way to twitter, their FA journal, etc to call you out and smear campaign you, accusing you of being a pedo and such.

It really saddens me to see how petty and eager some people are to plug their ears and drown out any point of view/opinion that doesn't go along with theirs.

I would be interested I would also be interested a research about fetishes, because I'm a man of scinece and I'm pretty curious about everything that I don't underatand. I think you should make that video no matter what. Who cares if some retrad idiots who can't think scientifically watch it.

NotMeNotYou said:
Wouldn't go anywhere (since we host only things with protection from the supreme court) and we have a much larger lawyer budget than those people could ever cough up.
The problem with David Ross and Arcturus was also much more complex than just not having the money for a good lawyer (though that played a huge role).

All in all nothing would happen that we haven't dealt with before.

Nice to see that this site is secure against random people threatening legal action due to trivial matters. It's surprising how many other sites have buckled under the pressure of the mere suggestion that legal action might be taken against them.

JAKXXX3 said:
Nice to see that this site is secure against random people threatening legal action due to trivial matters. It's surprising how many other sites have buckled under the pressure of the mere suggestion that legal action might be taken against them.

Legal battles can be very expensive. It can easily cost Joe Webmaster tens of thousands of dollars to fight a malicious lawsuit.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Legal battles can be very expensive. It can easily cost Joe Webmaster tens of thousands of dollars to fight a malicious lawsuit.

Doesn't the one who losses pay for court expenses?

DelurC said:
Doesn't the one who losses pay for court expenses?

Nope. Free lawyers exist, but you have a much higher chance of winning a case with the paid lawyers, and they aren't going to work without being paid, hence the title "Paid laywer."

DelurC said:
Doesn't the one who losses pay for court expenses?

Furrin_Gok said:
Nope. Free lawyers exist, but you have a much higher chance of winning a case with the paid lawyers, and they aren't going to work without being paid, hence the title "Paid laywer."

The lawyer cost has to be paid upfront, which is a huge burden if you need to defend yourself potentially for multiple years.

Furrin_Gok said:higher chance of winning a case with the paid lawyers

logic.exe not found, please insert disk into brain:// drive.

DelurC said:
logic.exe not found, please insert disk into brain:// drive.

A guy that knows his job usually doesn't do it for free.

DelurC said:
Doesn't the one who losses pay for court expenses?

It is possible for the loser to be ordered to pay the other side's court expenses, but this is usually only if the loser was found to be acting in bad faith in bringing this to court in the first place, and in any case the "winner" will have already paid these court fees before this point, they're just being reimbursed.

DelurC said:
Doesn't the one who losses pay for court expenses?

Loser pays is common, but America rejects it and defaults to each side paying its own fees (this is known as the American rule) ). Fee shifting statutes aren't that rare, but they are usually specific, and sometimes even specific to one side (for example, Massachusetts has a fee-shifting statute* that awards attorney's fees to tenants if they prevail in certain landlord-tenant disputes).