I am bringing this back up for Hammie's sake. I really don't think the hread should have been closed due to me and Gilda.

I am not going to have a hand in this, and I hope gilda will stay out too, for this should be resolved without bickering between idiots.

Sorry Hammie, did not intend to get a thread locked.

No big deal, the thread had provided the information I was looking for anyway.

_Waffles_ said:
I hope gilda will stay out too, for this should be resolved without bickering between idiots.

1. wrong.
2. not possible.

The thread was locked because the original question was addressed, and everything after that was just users being complete dicks to each other over tagging furry porn on the internet. The thread was locked so they would chill out, since they didn't seem interested in resolving things peacefully.

I'd recommend you let this thread die unless you have some legitimate concerns that need to be presented, which I will gladly hear.

Char said:
The thread was locked because the original question was addressed, and everything after that was just users being complete dicks to each other over tagging furry porn on the internet. The thread was locked so they would chill out, since they didn't seem interested in resolving things peacefully.

I'd recommend you let this thread die unless you have some legitimate concerns that need to be presented, which I will gladly hear.

Seems it starts again. Are you going to lock it now or wait tell the madness starts again? Because it seems there just looking for something to complain about.

Falord said:
Seems it starts again. Are you going to lock it now or wait tell the madness starts again? Because it seems there just looking for something to complain about.

Let it die. If Hammie has what the information he wanted then this thread is pointless. I would not like a thread I created to become locked because of bickering between other people, thus I did not want to see someone else's thread to get locked because I got defensive over a "whinning" comment (a comment that has always gotten on my bad side since I was a kid).

So.....what did you guys have for breakfast? derailing mode ACTIVATE

TheHuskyK9 said:
So.....what did you guys have for breakfast? derailing mode ACTIVATE

I had a big hearty bowl of LOCK Cereal ;-)

Mario583 said:
I had a big hearty bowl of LOCK Cereal ;-)

It's a 'key' part of one's diet ;)

Renard_Queenston said:
It's a 'key' part of one's diet ;)

With low fat milk.

Falord said:
With low fat milk.

Dammit, Falord. Oh well, someone was gonna say 'combo breaker' anyway.

Renard_Queenston said:
Dammit, Falord. Oh well, someone was gonna say 'combo breaker' anyway.

lol

Mario583 said:
I had a big hearty bowl of LOCK Cereal ;-)

That's the best brand of cereal but I like the frosted ones better

Renard_Queenston said:
It's a 'key' part of one's diet ;)

Booooooooooooo.

For anyone who doubted that people just tag anything MLP as female, I found the perfect example:
post #326194

Not anymore now that I fixed it, but how is that female at all...

Hammie said:
For anyone who doubted that people just tag anything MLP as female, I found the perfect example:
post #326194

Not anymore now that I fixed it, but how is that female at all...

yea, it definitely is a problem that needed to be addressed.

Hammie said:
For anyone who doubted that people just tag anything MLP as female, I found the perfect example:
post #326194

This is because, as we say in France une bite, une biloute, une quequette, une queue, une saucisse, une biroute, une teub, une verge, une pine, une trique, une gaule, une bistouquette...

Tauxiera said:
This is because, as we say in France une bite, une biloute, une quequette, une queue, une saucisse, une biroute, une teub, une verge, une pine, une trique, une gaule, une bistouquette...

Everything I learned of the French language was from that one Muzzy commercial.

Tauxiera said:
This is because, as we say in France une bite, une biloute, une quequette, une queue, une saucisse, une biroute, une teub, une verge, une pine, une trique, une gaule, une bistouquette...

Are those all french nicknames for penis?

_Waffles_ said:
Are those all french nicknames for penis?

a little variety, there are more than 600 different ways to name the penis in France x)

Tauxiera said:
a little variety, there are more than 600 different ways to name the penis in France x)

And over 1200 ways to say "we surrender".

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And over 1200 ways to say "we surrender".

huehuehue

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And over 1200 ways to say "we surrender".

While even them most crappy American comedics have abandoned the French Bashing, this tradition dies hard among silly unbrained young people of the internet. 8)

The French only surrendered early in WWII because they hadn't fully recovered from WWI yet. The French have actually been whooping ass longer than America has, since America isn't that old.

_Waffles_ said:
yea, it definitely is a problem that needed to be addressed.

The solution is to simply fix the tags and report people who keep screwing up. This isn't anything that can be prevented, or if so I sure don't see how.

Char said:
The solution is to simply fix the tags and report people who keep screwing up. This isn't anything that can be prevented, or if so I sure don't see how.

The reporting people who keep messing it up part is the only way to prevent it.

Char said:
The solution is to simply fix the tags and report people who keep screwing up. This isn't anything that can be prevented, or if so I sure don't see how.

the option for moderators and admins to lock tags would be a god send, kthanx

Princess_Celestia said:
the option for moderators and admins to lock tags would be a god send, kthanx

Then wouldn't that kill the reason for users to fix un-tagged images? Or just on image were people keep changing tags because they just want it the way they see it?

Princess_Celestia said:
the option for moderators and admins to lock tags would be a god send, kthanx

Yeah I know, but it still means the problem has to occur first before we have a need to lock or forbid a tag. That'd bring a quick end to it, but it wouldn't prevent it.

Falord said:
Then wouldn't that kill the reason for users to fix un-tagged images? Or just on image were people keep changing tags because they just want it the way they see it?

Like it is now with rating and notes, lock something when someone throws a hissyfit.

NotMeNotYouMobile said:
Like it is now with rating and notes, lock something when someone throws a hissyfit.

I actually like this idea. If there is any hint of a tagging issue, have a mod/admin subjectively look at it, tag it, and lock it. It stops the tagging stupidity and still allows the 98% of images that never have a problem to continue to get tagged by anyone willing to help tag.

_Waffles_ said:
I actually like this idea. If there is any hint of a tagging issue, have a mod/admin subjectively look at it, tag it, and lock it. It stops the tagging stupidity and still allows the 98% of images that never have a problem to continue to get tagged by anyone willing to help tag.

Says the person who barely helps and mostly complains whats wrong with the system.

I am sorry I am not tied to this site as some other people are.

I am not going to argue, for the stupid attacks were what killed off the last thread.

The locking of tags would help out a lot with many of the tag wars here. Usually it is with a fan of picture subject A (inuyasha, pokemon, digimon, etc) seeing something in the show that is not there. It is common to get that with many shows that we each know well. It would be like a Fullmetal Achemist picture with the little girl that was turned into a chimera. I would be more inclined to label it "female" than someone that has not seen the show.

People heavy in pokemon, MLP, Sonic the hedgehog, and the like, are the common problems here. They see something they know from the show rather than just what is in the image.

This is why having the new "janitor" rank is nice for it offers more people to tag what they dont know than less that have more outside knowledge.

That brings up another suggestion:

Have the most un-knowledgeable janitor/mod/admin tag and lock certain images.

For an MLP image, use someone that does not watch the show.
For a pokemon image, use someone that has not played the games.
And so on.

_Waffles_ said:
I am sorry I am not tied to this site as some other people are.

I am not going to argue, for the stupid attacks were what killed off the last thread.

The locking of tags would help out a lot with many of the tag wars here. Usually it is with a fan of picture subject A (inuyasha, pokemon, digimon, etc) seeing something in the show that is not there. It is common to get that with many shows that we each know well. It would be like a Fullmetal Achemist picture with the little girl that was turned into a chimera. I would be more inclined to label it "female" than someone that has not seen the show.

People heavy in pokemon, MLP, Sonic the hedgehog, and the like, are the common problems here. They see something they know from the show rather than just what is in the image.

This is why having the new "janitor" rank is nice for it offers more people to tag what they dont know than less that have more outside knowledge.

That brings up another suggestion:

Have the most un-knowledgeable janitor/mod/admin tag and lock certain images.

For an MLP image, use someone that does not watch the show.
For a pokemon image, use someone that has not played the games.
And so on.

Nope, bad idea. This will lead to undertagged images. Say if this un-knowledgable person sees an MLP image. He or she will only add 'equine' and '(colour)_fur' at most. Bad idea.

Renard_Queenston said:
Nope, bad idea. This will lead to undertagged images. Say if this un-knowledgable person sees an MLP image. He or she will only add 'equine' and '(colour)_fur' at most. Bad idea.

I dont think It would be that bad. They would would still tag an image with TWYS.

They may not be able to tag a dog Wynona, but you would still have tags of the names, backgrounds, actions, physical apperances, etc.

_Waffles_ said:
I dont think It would be that bad. They would would still tag an image with TWYS.

They may not be able to tag a dog Wynona, but you would still have tags of the names, backgrounds, actions, physical apperances, etc.

They would not be able to tag ANY characters. They never would have watched the show, how would they know whose appearance is whose? To them, Pinkie Pie' s name doesn't make sense as the character name, for example. So there, really.

_Waffles_ said:
Have the most un-knowledgeable janitor/mod/admin tag and lock certain images.

For an MLP image, use someone that does not watch the show.
For a pokemon image, use someone that has not played the games.
And so on.

Wait wat... uuuh.... lol? So if I understand, people who are ignorant should remain in ignorance? I thought this view was reserved typically has high politics... x)

I'm exactly the opposite, it must be educational even if we talk about gaming and cinematic culture.

See just like I said... Just make problems without put actual solutions to the problem your seeing.

_Waffles_ said:

More problems

I am sorry I am not tied to this site as some other people are.

I am not going to argue, for the stupid attacks were what killed off the last thread.

The locking of tags would help out a lot with many of the tag wars here. Usually it is with a fan of picture subject A (inuyasha, pokemon, digimon, etc) seeing something in the show that is not there. It is common to get that with many shows that we each know well. It would be like a Fullmetal Achemist picture with the little girl that was turned into a chimera. I would be more inclined to label it "female" than someone that has not seen the show.

People heavy in pokemon, MLP, Sonic the hedgehog, and the like, are the common problems here. They see something they know from the show rather than just what is in the image.

This is why having the new "janitor" rank is nice for it offers more people to tag what they dont know than less that have more outside knowledge.

That brings up another suggestion:

Have the most un-knowledgeable janitor/mod/admin tag and lock certain images.

For an MLP image, use someone that does not watch the show.
For a pokemon image, use someone that has not played the games.
And so on.

I said something just like that in forum #69352. Seems you did read it. Your not looking at the big picture. Lets take Sonic. Sonic is fictional character yes but he is from a cartoon Series that exists and many people know his name. If you go by your proposed solution it well be quite hard to find him in a search. Hell you wouldn't be able to find one specific character that has every made it to Tv since it seems you don't want any identifying tags. Since were they came from means nothing to you.

To me it is mostly the franchised character of some series that causes some problems in my opinion. Since the rights to the character belongs to big film producers and not tagging there characters or trying to pass it as your own art work could cause problems for copyright reasons. Not sure tho.

Tauxiera said:
Wait wat... uuuh.... lol? So if I understand, people who are ignorant should remain in ignorance? I thought this view was reserved typically has high politics... x)

Seems it is here as well. With one or two leading members driving to pass a bill in Parliament (─‿‿─)

Falord said:
See just like I said... Just make problems without put actual solutions to the problem your seeing.
I said something just like that in forum #69352. Seems you did read it. Your not looking at the big picture. Lets take Sonic. Sonic is fictional character yes but he is from a cartoon Series that exists and many people know his name. If you go by your proposed solution it well be quite hard to find him in a search. Hell you wouldn't be able to find one specific character that has every made it to Tv since it seems you don't want any identifying tags. Since were they came from means nothing to you.

To me it is mostly the franchised character of some series that causes some problems in my opinion. Since the rights to the character belongs to big film producers and not tagging there characters or trying to pass it as your own art work could cause problems for copyright reasons. Not sure tho.

Seems it is here as well. With one or two leading members driving to pass a bill in Parliament (─‿‿─)

I am probably not explaining my idea well. I am suggesting that someone tag that is not wrapped around the subject.

They would still have to know what they are looking at, but not so heavily that they tag stuff that the image does not show.

Here is an example

post #327879

This character is Winona (found via the source).

From a brony, it would be tagged MLP (and currently is).

From someone that knows the show, but does have the show as a center point of their life, it would still be tagged Winona (due to the new tagging rules set) but would not get the MLP tag.

Or am I mistaken in that this character should not have a MLP tag. (The character is drawn in a completely different way with no indication in the image that it is from the MLP universe).

_Waffles_ said:
I am probably not explaining my idea well. I am suggesting that someone tag that is not wrapped around the subject.

They would still have to know what they are looking at, but not so heavily that they tag stuff that the image does not show.

Here is an example

post #327879

Well, I'm someone who does not know mlp in detail and I'm glad to see "antrofied" and "MLP" tags because I discover that this is a anthrofied version of a little dog from the series frienship is magic.

_Waffles_ said:
I am probably not explaining my idea well. I am suggesting that someone tag that is not wrapped around the subject.

They would still have to know what they are looking at, but not so heavily that they tag stuff that the image does not show.

Here is an example

post #327879

This character is Winona (found via the source).

From a brony, it would be tagged MLP (and currently is).

From someone that knows the show, but does have the show as a center point of their life, it would still be tagged Winona (due to the new tagging rules set) but would not get the MLP tag.

Or am I mistaken in that this character should not have a MLP tag. (The character is drawn in a completely different way with no indication in the image that it is from the MLP universe).

Wow Tauxiera was right. Owell. hmmm it seems you didn't understand the post I just put then.... I am not going to explain to you sadly, you'll just say something else to say it's wrong. So go watch some law videos were people get sued for just the smallest similarities to a character someone else owns.

I wouldn't trust you to tag not one thing to tell you the true. Since your mind seems to be so closed, you may cause more problems than solve them. And that Winona picture? It has enough similarities to the feral Winona to be consider a Anthrofied version. But who am I to say that... I have MLP at the center of my life that I have MLP shoes, a MLP car and my house is panted pink...

Just once I want you to pose a problem and a viable solution or alternative that works instead of just complaining... But I don't see that happening any time soon.

Is it me, or did we came to the point of denying right to exist for all copyrights tags because they don't fit strawman TWYS definition?
I would go one step further. People tagging species should be the one who know nothing about species at all. So tags, instead of snow_leopard, lion, or tiger, would be kitty, and bigger_kitty.

Waffles, please take a look at correlation and causation, your observations are proper, your conclusions on what is/may be the cause to the problem is not.

But let me try to explain my point (and hopefully that of the others)

_Waffles_ said:
The locking of tags would help out a lot with many of the tag wars here. Usually it is with a fan of picture subject A (inuyasha, pokemon, digimon, etc) seeing something in the show that is not there. It is common to get that with many shows that we each know well. It would be like a Fullmetal Achemist picture with the little girl that was turned into a chimera. I would be more inclined to label it "female" than someone that has not seen the show.

People heavy in pokemon, MLP, Sonic the hedgehog, and the like, are the common problems here. They see something they know from the show rather than just what is in the image.

Your observation is that many fanboys apply their knowledge to the tags in the image, by adding information based on knowledge surrounding the show, instead by only TWYS.

Which is a good observation, as this often happens.

You now however believe that the knowledge of the show is the root for this problem, which is simply wrong.
The problem is that those people don't look hard enough and tag lazily ("renamon has breasts!", even though the mane makes it impossible to see them) or they do not fully understand the TWYS rules and apply them incorrectly, or not at all.

You said it yourself, you would be inclined to tag a chimera as female in a fullmetal alchemist picture, this is your problem of not following the TWYS rule proper, and not us.

The trick is to take a step back, let your fandom knowledge sit beside you but not on your neck, and ask yourself "The hell am I looking at and what am I seeing here?"
You are not only fully allowed to have a good knowledge of the subject at hand but encouraged to have it; you are just not allowed to let this knowledge do your decisions.

It is hard to shove your inner fanboy to the side to tag something objectively but it is possible, you just have to remind yourself of this regularly.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
So tags, instead of snow_leopard, lion, or tiger, would be kitty, and bigger_kitty.

I don't think I would complain about a Big_Stripe_Kitty tag. :3

Nope, you're assuming people know what a kitty is.

Hammie said:
Nope, you're assuming people know what a kitty is.

It's that thing that goes woof woof moo, right?

Princess_Celestia said:
It's that thing that goes woof woof moo, right?

You're assuming people know animal sounds.

Need "Bigger_Minou" 8)

and "Sausage_on_legs" for all basset and teckel XD

This thread... :|

As far as locking tags, if this feature is ever implemented, it won't be for locking ALL tags on an image, it will be for locking or forbidding INDIVIDUAL tags. To lock ALL tags on a post because there's one in particular that people keep fighting over is way too much. If the ability to lock ALL tags on a post is ever introduced in the software e621 uses (Ouroboros), I wouldn't permit it to be used here without my approval.

And please lay off each other. :| I know we're all passionate about making e621 the best it can be, but that's not going to happen when we're dividing ourselves. If you can't be respectful when presenting/debating ideas, I'd honestly rather you just not say anything at all.

Guys, you need to behave already.

Tauxiera said:
While even them most crappy American comedics have abandoned the French Bashing, this tradition dies hard among silly unbrained young people of the internet. 8)

Don't worry Tauxiera, you can still bash us Americans :3. Also, you guys had Napoleon, the most bad ass emperor the world has ever seen. Period.

FYI my last 2 posts were pure humor, no seriousness whatsoever.

Hammie said:
FYI my last 2 posts were pure humor, no seriousness whatsoever.

I'm talking about everything that happened since my last comment in this thread.

Char said:
I'm talking about everything that happened since my last comment in this thread.

Well I did say lock it before the madness started again lol XD.

Char said:
This thread... :|

As far as locking tags, if this feature is ever implemented, it won't be for locking ALL tags on an image, it will be for locking or forbidding INDIVIDUAL tags. To lock ALL tags on a post because there's one in particular that people keep fighting over is way too much. If the ability to lock ALL tags on a post is ever introduced in the software e621 uses (Ouroboros), I wouldn't permit it to be used here without my approval.

And please lay off each other. :| I know we're all passionate about making e621 the best it can be, but that's not going to happen when we're dividing ourselves. If you can't be respectful when presenting/debating ideas, I'd honestly rather you just not say anything at all.

But still it gets pretty hard to not get a little pissed when your telling them a reason A valid one mind you yet all it does is like throwing water on a ducks back. They find another reason to say it's wrong or ignore what was said. Yea you have your opinions and sticking to them shows your are strong on your resolve to see it answer... But seriously. If 5 people give them an answer they believe to answer their question.. Why don't they understand the answer first instead of putting another problem that has been answered before or they wait for and admin to find them the same answer in a different flavor.

That's just my opinion on the matter, which sadly means little.

Char said:
I'm talking about everything that happened since my last comment in this thread.

But I gave a proper answer why his idea would backfire. :<

NotMeNotYou said:
But I gave a proper answer why his idea would backfire. :<

I'm not talking about EVERYONE.

Okay, I'll try say it again more politely.

waffles said:
This character is Winona (found via the source).

From a brony, it would be tagged MLP (and currently is).

From someone that knows the show, but does have the show as a center point of their life, it would still be tagged Winona (due to the new tagging rules set) but would not get the MLP tag.

Or am I mistaken in that this character should not have a MLP tag. (The character is drawn in a completely different way with no indication in the image that it is from the MLP universe).

No, you don't have to have mlp as center point of your life to guess that Winona is character from Friendship Is Magic show. TWYS is about not adding things that are not present in pictures, just because artist claims otherwise. TWYS is not about getting knowledge what is the thing that you can see on the picture. It is not okay to claim that fim or mlp tag should be removed because someone don't know what those shows are. It's not okay to say that snow_leopard tag need to be removed, because somebody haven't seen any animal like that.

Furthermore friendship_is_magic tag is definitely not about the style, but about pictures containing characters that actually were in the series. I hope you're not tagging OC pictures with this tag, like many other people here.

But maybe, there is slight problem.

my_little_pony on the other hand has two functions.
One is being copyright tag like fim, only containing characters from all generations. That's okay.
But it is also used to tag original characters from my little pony fandom. In the same way sonic_(series) tag is used, and maybe this is wrong. (And in sonic case OC pics get also sega tag. I'm not sure why ponies similarly don't get hasbro tag.)
Maybe there should be additional tags like sonic_style, mlp_style or something like that.

But usage of copyright tags for OC was suggested by many admins, also those not from fandoms, and it definitely has nothing to do with your example. This is Winona - it gets mlp and fim tags. If not then all copyrights tag don't make sense. At all.

Falord said:
Well I did say lock it before the madness started again lol XD.
But still it gets pretty hard to not get a little pissed when your telling them a reason A valid one mind you yet all it does is like throwing water on a ducks back. They find another reason to say it's wrong or ignore what was said. Yea you have your opinions and sticking to them shows your are strong on your resolve to see it answer... But seriously. If 5 people give them an answer they believe to answer their question.. Why don't they understand the answer first instead of putting another problem that has been answered before or they wait for and admin to find them the same answer in a different flavor.

That's just my opinion on the matter, which sadly means little.

I am sorry I was trying to debate something. It was an idea to help with the less than 2% of images that get tag wars.

Beyond that, it was a question on if an image gets a tag that is implied in the image but does not actually exist.

Laters everyone. I am out.

_Waffles_ said:

Laters everyone. I am out.

You probably won't be missed

Renard_Queenston said:
You probably won't be missed

Didn't Char JUST say to lay off each other?

tony311 said:
Didn't Char JUST say to lay off each other?

Being as that may. Did you think some of us answered his question adequately, not at all or was he just looking for something to complain about? Because It was pretty hard to convince him why somethings are done the way they are and why not. I could be wrong but since he changed his name to Please_delete_acount lol I would like to know for real from one of the admins.

Am I the one who finds titaniachkt's response "Enjoy!" at his ticket a little bit out of place?

And if we would be doing tag locks, can we make them visible from tag script view? So, for example, if there would be tag locked then there would be pop-up (not easy to ignore info at the top of the page) that would inform that tag on that picture is locked? I don't like when I'm tagging few pictures, and only after refreshing page I find that for some reasons changes failed.

Renard_Queenston said:
You probably won't be missed

Keep it civil in here or get out

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Am I the one who finds titaniachkt's response "Enjoy!" at his ticket a little bit out of place?

And if we would be doing tag locks, can we make them visible from tag script view? So, for example, if there would be tag locked then there would be pop-up (not easy to ignore info at the top of the page) that would inform that tag on that picture is locked? I don't like when I'm tagging few pictures, and only after refreshing page I find that for some reasons changes failed.

Tag locking is not a feature that's going to be introduced in the current version of e621.net, from what I understand. If/when it does get introduced, it will be after a complete overhaul of the site. Though the issue you bring up is certainly something to keep in mind and try to address.

Rainbow_Dash said:
Keep it civil in here or get out

Let's keep it game related guys.

/Nsider Fourms.

I'm completely against head shape rule.
post #327336

It's not canon, and it was created ad hoc by fandom. And 90% of fandom ideas are dumb.
I mean it's not even falsifiable rule?
Snails head doesn't match rule? - well, rule is not for colts.
Alicorn don't fit rule? - well, rule is not for alicorns.

This are just speculations, we shouldn't base our tagging system on fandom speculations. This kind of rules belong to 20pc.org, not here.

Just think about what if in season 4 there would be many white stallions with "female" muzzles, and fandom will decide - well, white stallions are like alicorns? Will we going to retag everything?

Well, I'm done.
I'm getting PM'd by an admin now telling me to stop.
Not even sure what the guidelines are supposed to be anymore.

Done with the arguing, done with trying to help tag accurately.
I'll be leaving it to everyone else now.

Enjoy.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Snails head doesn't match rule? - well, rule is not for colts.

Of course. This is where external data is acceptable.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Alicorn don't fit rule? - well, rule is not for alicorns.

Show me an alicorn that is not female.

Welcome to the club, Hammie. Trust me: Not trying to tag leads to far fewer ulcers.

FYI I'm mostly posting this so that someone can pick up the slack of fixing the obviously not female images that are tagged as female.
Like the one with penises that were Mane Six colored, and tagged female...

I'm not going to be seeing those any time soon to fix them.

GreyMaria said:
Of course. This is where external data is acceptable.

Show me an alicorn that is not female.

post #312666

Princess_Celestia said:
post #312666

Clearly dickgirl.

Hammie said:
Clearly dickgirl.

I will hit you with many heavy things.

Hammie said:
Well, I'm done.
I'm getting PM'd by an admin now telling me to stop.
Not even sure what the guidelines are supposed to be anymore.

Done with the arguing, done with trying to help tag accurately.
I'll be leaving it to everyone else now.

Enjoy.

How about not breaking search for others by removing pegging from post #335304, or male from post #334732 (female tag though... I would tag it gay. ) From my point of view you really want too hard to find ambiguous_gender where it isn't.

GreyMaria said:
Of course. This is where external data is acceptable.

I don't remember fandom guess being exception to the TWYS rule.

GreyMaria said:
Show me an alicorn that is not female.

Wait for season 4. Probably everyone is going to be alicorn there.

Spike alicorn, best alicorn.