Implicating shota -> male.

Reason: A shota is a male character.

But not all male characters are shotas.

Test-Subject_217601 said:
But not all male characters are shotas.

Implications are one-way, so male pictures don't automatically get tagged shota.

+1
"loli" tag has been implicated to "female" tag.
Why is "shota" tag not implicated to "male" tag?

+1 as this should be an obvious implication.

actually, now that i think of it, a better setup would be this:

loli > lolicon > female

shota > shotacon > male

if only to take into account the abbreviated forms of the 2 terms.

odd, seems "lolicon" is aliased to "loli". shouldn't that be the other way around?

-1, and remove the damn implication for loli too. People have tagged these on non-females, when the tag itself was correct, but the implication wasn't... meaning I had to remove it.

Children can be intersex too, and unless someone feels like coming up with 4 intersex terms equivalent to loli/shota, the implications they provided actually cause problems.

Siral_Exan said:
-1, and remove the damn implication for loli too. People have tagged these on non-females, when the tag itself was correct, but the implication wasn't... meaning I had to remove it.

Children can be intersex too, and unless someone feels like coming up with 4 intersex terms equivalent to loli/shota, the implications they provided actually cause problems.

Or we could just not use male and female specific terms on intersex characters.

+1. shota refers to underage males in sexual context in the same way as loli refers to underage female in sexual context.

Siral_Exan said:
-1, and remove the damn implication for loli too. People have tagged these on non-females, when the tag itself was correct, but the implication wasn't... meaning I had to remove it.

Children can be intersex too, and unless someone feels like coming up with 4 intersex terms equivalent to loli/shota, the implications they provided actually cause problems.

We should simply warn about the correct usage. Since art featuring underage intersex characters is relatively uncommon, the possible mistags wouldn't be difficult to handle.

Additionally, since noticeable genitals are necessary to identify intersex characters, underage intersex in general already are in a sexual context, in other words, would be redundant to have a specific tag for that. At maximum a tag for young intersex characters, but I don't think there is an actual necessity for that.

O16 said:
+1. shota refers to underage males in sexual context in the same way as loli refers to underage female in sexual context.

We should simply warn about the correct usage in the wikis. Since art featuring underage intersex characters is relatively uncommon, the possible mistags wouldn't be difficult to handle.

Additionally, since noticeable genitals are necessary to identify intersex characters, underage intersex in general already are in a sexual context, in other words, would be redundant to have a specific tag for that. At maximum I a tag for young intersex or something similar.

Except not even the people who like loli can agree on the usage, it has been used off site for non-female and no one said anything about it. Furthermore, can you say that the users on e6 know how to tag loli? Since our standard for the tag is not the actual standard for it, I suggest lumping intersexes into it for more efficient blacklisting. Some people may not want to put down 10-14 tag words (rough estimate, disregarding separating lines; 4-6 separating lines would be my guess) to also exclude cases where the intersex child is included.

And, I admit this is a low blow, loli/shota were inches away from the chopping block. If it weren't for the limitation, they would be gone as they would be overshadowed by the two implied tags, together serving a better purpose. On the opposite end, if they were gone, then people couldn't find an image containing one little *gender*, meaning searching for that is harder because loli/shota describes one character (for argument's sake), while images can possess more than one character, a character of youth, and a female/male. Or, loli/shota describes more than credited.

Ultimately, we can either take them as is, which'd keep them close to the guillotine, despite their usefulness, because people won't get the usages right; forcibly mandate them so they're gotten right (but that's never fun and the user'll never follow through); or broaden the tags to make them more useful, something already done on other gallery sites.

*edit* Jesus fucking Christ, AutoCorrect...

I feel we should just send out records against people using the tags wrong, and see if that begins to fix things. If people really want to be able to find the youthful futanari characters, then why not try and make a new tag for them? Futanoli, or some such.

Furrin_Gok said:
I feel we should just send out records against people using the tags wrong, and see if that begins to fix things.

There's been at least a couple of records handed out for that in the past. If there are mistags, report them.

Anyway, the only reason shota isn't already implicated to male is because both loli and shota were aliased away at one point. And when those were restored, the old implications got overlooked.

Here's the pending implication: forum #212147. Dunno why this old one got bumped, it's pretty stale at this point.

Furrin_Gok said:
I feel we should just send out records against people using the tags wrong, and see if that begins to fix things. If people really want to be able to find the youthful futanari characters, then why not try and make a new tag for them? Futanoli, or some such.

Don't get me wrong, I am also for making more tags, just that I have absolutely no power whatsoever for giving a name. If only I had picked up a foreign dictionary to read in my spare time instead of a normal.

Actually, what if we used new tags that used existing words? That way, we'd avoid both foreign confusion and new words.

Neoteny is the term for when an animal retains adolescent features in adulthood. Per TWYS, this would be considered cub/young, but we could make tags like Neoteny_Male/Female/Herm/Dickgirl. I'm uncertain if Neoteny_Cuntboy would even work, since young girls wouldn't have much extra anyways.

Boys and girls tend to look similar to each other before puberty kicks in which would make separating prepubescent females and prepubescent cuntboys very hard. Same with prepubescent males vs. prepubescent dickgirls. Prepubescent herms would be easy enough, though.

BlueDingo said:
Boys and girls tend to look similar to each other before puberty kicks in which would make separating prepubescent females and prepubescent cuntboys very hard. Same with prepubescent males vs. prepubescent dickgirls. Prepubescent herms would be easy enough, though.

Dickgirls would be obvious enough: Boobs. Oppai_loli is a thing, after all.

Furrin_Gok said:
Dickgirls would be obvious enough: Boobs. Oppai_loli is a thing, after all.

Wouldn't they be chibi adults? They're not exactly prepubescent if they have tits.

BlueDingo said:
Wouldn't they be chibi adults? They're not exactly prepubescent if they have tits.

They're still tagged loli at present.

Furrin_Gok said:
Dickgirls would be obvious enough: Boobs. Oppai_loli is a thing, after all.

...why we have that tag? its literally just mixture of chibi and short stack

Furrin_Gok said:
They're still tagged loli at present.

We should probably do something about that.

Ledian said:
...why we have that tag? its literally just mixture of chibi and short stack

I imagine it's supposed to be for smaller breasts, but people are tagging it for big ones.

Furrin_Gok said:
I imagine it's supposed to be for smaller breasts, but people are tagging it for big ones.

the tag wiki says nothing about small breasts. it only says "adult sized breasts"

Ledian said:
the tag wiki says nothing about small breasts. it only says "adult sized breasts"

One single edit to the page. Should we keep it (for now) but update the wiki?