We should reverse this alias: temmie -> temmie_(undertale)
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Why? Because there is no other characters named Temmie...a suffix is totally uneeded. In fact we were so sure of it that temmie is already aliased to temmie_(undertale)! So in theory my suggestion has already been approved, it's just a matter of swapping them to get rid of the obnoxious, uneeded suffix.

I believe it is due to the fact that their species is named "tem", short for temmie (which coincides with the character name); it is implied that the species tag may or may not continue to exist.

This means that fan characters may be made to be Temmie's species, but not named the character (and vice versa). Ergo, the suffix: there are two tags that're nearly the same, one denoting a species and one denoting a common character. The suffix (while not necessary, still) is helpful.

Temmie_chang is a major artist for the game, as well.

Furrin_Gok said:
Temmie_chang is a major artist for the game, as well.

Oh yea, I completely forgot...

Siral_Exan said:
I believe it is due to the fact that their species is named "tem", short for temmie (which coincides with the character name); it is implied that the species tag may or may not continue to exist.

This means that fan characters may be made to be Temmie's species, but not named the character (and vice versa). Ergo, the suffix: there are two tags that're nearly the same, one denoting a species and one denoting a common character. The suffix (while not necessary, still) is helpful.

According to the Undertale wiki their species name is just "temmie". Here's an excerpt: "Temmie (/ˈtɛ.miː/) is a species of monster in the Underground." If people are using "tem" as their species name they are simply wrong.

At any rate I don't see what that has to do with the matter at hand...if you wanted to get technical you could create a temmie_(species) tag, but that doesn't really affect whether we use temmie vs. temmie_(undertale).

Furrin_Gok said:
Temmie_chang is a major artist for the game, as well.

Like I said before...doesn't really matter. temmie is already aliased to temmie_(undertale) so if anyone was to misuse the temmie tag to tag the artist Temmie Chang it's going to happen no matter which way we flip the alias.

Anyways...we didn't add a suffix to undyne or alphys...so I don't see why temmie needs one...it's not really a common spelling of the traditional "timmy"...not in the least.

Considering we also have kass (zelda), teba (zelda), and sidon (zelda), I assumed that the series tag is added to characters no matter what. I take it this is not usually the case.

Dyrone said:
According to the Undertale wiki their species name is just "temmie". Here's an excerpt: "Temmie (/ˈtɛ.miː/) is a species of monster in the Underground." If people are using "tem" as their species name they are simply wrong.

At any rate I don't see what that has to do with the matter at hand...if you wanted to get technical you could create a temmie_(species) tag, but that doesn't really affect whether we use temmie vs. temmie_(undertale).

Like I said before...doesn't really matter. temmie is already aliased to temmie_(undertale) so if anyone was to misuse the temmie tag to tag the artist Temmie Chang it's going to happen no matter which way we flip the alias.

Anyways...we didn't add a suffix to undyne or alphys...so I don't see why temmie needs one...it's not really a common spelling of the traditional "timmy"...not in the least.

The fact that there is tags sharing the same name means it's basically mandatory to have suffixes. It is to avoid confusion and therefore mistags. It does matter that an artist, whom while associated with Undertale doesn't mean they'll only draw Undertale, out there with the exact same first name as another tag. This tag hails from Undertale, so the suffix _(undertale) makes sense, and no other tag from Undertale that I know of needs further specifying (not even Undyne, whom barely dodges Undine).

Now, whether or not it should be Temmie_(undertale) or Temmie_(character) is not important to the argument that there needs to be a suffix.

Siral_Exan said:
The fact that there is tags sharing the same name means it's basically mandatory to have suffixes. It is to avoid confusion and therefore mistags. It does matter that an artist, whom while associated with Undertale doesn't mean they'll only draw Undertale, out there with the exact same first name as another tag. This tag hails from Undertale, so the suffix _(undertale) makes sense, and no other tag from Undertale that I know of needs further specifying (not even Undyne, whom barely dodges Undine).

Now, whether or not it should be Temmie_(undertale) or Temmie_(character) is not important to the argument that there needs to be a suffix.

I think _(species) is better.

Furrin_Gok said:
I think _(species) is better.

Do you suggest, then, that we get rid of the character tag?

Siral_Exan said:
The fact that there is tags sharing the same name means it's basically mandatory to have suffixes.

Yeah, nice strawman, but they don't have the same name...it's temmie and temmie_chang...he's not Cher...his name isn't just "Temmie"...your whole argument is invalid.

Siral_Exan said:
Do you suggest, then, that we get rid of the character tag?

Oh god what did I start.

The species is temmie and all their names cept one is Temmie...you'd basically just be double-tagging a ton of images with practically the same tag. Not worth. There are literally ZERO temmie OCs. I checked.

Dyrone said:
Yeah, nice strawman, but they don't have the same name...it's temmie and temmie_chang...he's not Cher...his name isn't just "Temmie"...your whole argument is invalid.

You just proved me right by saying "it's temmie and temmie_chang". Can you read the first name and answer if it is the same as the singular name?

Siral_Exan said:
You just proved me right by saying "it's temmie and temmie_chang". Can you read the first name and answer if it is the same as the singular name?

Doesn't matter at all, as long as one has a last name it's fine. There are only 2 possible Temmies, and there will be only 2 possible for a long time...and they are not easy to mix up at all. It's literally a non-issue you are blowing wayyyy out of proportion.

Dyrone said:
Doesn't matter at all, as long as one has a last name it's fine. There are only 2 possible Temmies, and there will be only 2 possible for a long time...and they are not easy to mix up at all. It's literally a non-issue you are blowing wayyyy out of proportion.

Please... take time to research what you are talking about, and are suggesting, before continuing. There is evidence on this site that tags that share names get suffixes. Are you to argue that they should not for the other identical cases?

Let's repeat the past with this one: suffix a common name shared between 2 tags, so there is no confusion drawn from the lack of it. But please, do your research and you'll learn it to be true.

Siral_Exan said:
Please... take time to research what you are talking about, and are suggesting, before continuing. There is evidence on this site that tags that share names get suffixes. Are you to argue that they should not for the other identical cases?

Let's repeat the past with this one: suffix a common name shared between 2 tags, so there is no confusion drawn from the lack of it. But please, do your research and you'll learn it to be true.

I've done that research and I've found that many of the suffixes are added just 'cuz. That's literally how this one was made. The admin that did it was literally just like "whlep, this is how we do" and added the suffix way before any real debate was even held, you can go back and read it if you wish. So yeah, a lot of them are stupid. I can understand why they exist for super-common names, but if a name is sufficiently strange it doesn't need one. And 2 tags that are ALREADY DIFFERENTIATED...as in they are NOT the exact same name...DO NOT need a suffix. it's overkill.

The only REAL arguement for a suffix here would be that ONE DAY some other character may come along named "temmie"...just "temmie". I seriously doubt that's happening any time soon and I think it's silly to prepare for such a random thing.

Dyrone said:
I've done that research and I've found that many of the suffixes are added just 'cuz. That's literally how this one was made. The admin that did it was literally just like "whlep, this is how we do" and added the suffix way before any real debate was even held, you can go back and read it if you wish. So yeah, a lot of them are stupid. I can understand why they exist for super-common names, but if a name is sufficiently strange it doesn't need one. And 2 tags that are ALREADY DIFFERENTIATED...as in they are NOT the exact same name...DO NOT need a suffix. it's overkill.

Gee, you are sounding, and being, really irritating right now. Would you kindly take a break, perform a more general research rather than exploiting the specific flaws of beings, and recognize that this is a standard the site practices.

Your argument has boiled down to "it's overkill and it doesn't always work". Due to externalities, like the fact that I am not every person on this site, I cannot control their actions, past or present tense, to make it perfect; but it does show improvement over cases where it is not practice. And, with overkill being an opinion on the practice and not the results, I can easily say "it works" in a counterpoint.

And it's been working. Even in cases where I fuck up or fix others, the times where I introduce a suffix and shorten tags became standard. I'd go through a list, but it'd be the same as finding diamonds in the rough and I don't have that time. People adapt to it, accept it, and use it; it becomes a usable tag. Removing suffixes in general can make a tag unusable, and in an exaggeration some tags may have been salvageable if included a suffix...

And, finally, it is appropriate for this site. This is not a small image hosting site, this is a site of over a million posts dedicated to archiving art. Organization: mandatory; Practicality: also mandatory. A suffix is one simple and effective way to organize en masse, and this site deals with a lot of mass.

Siral_Exan said:
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This one doesn't help and you know it. Who cares how many posts are on the site? We're talking about two tags here...again going beyond the scope of the argument and grasping at straws. In reality you have zero idea if this suffix does anything. Common sense would dictate that it doesn't, but you seem married to the idea that suffixes are a good thing, always, all the time.

Suffixes look like shit and are often completely redundant, but I am completely for them WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED. I don't think it's unwise to call for some actual thought to be put into suffixes. Again...zero thought was put into this one, and then people just accept it as a law of nature. I guess you don't like me challenging that, even when it makes complete sense to do so.

Dyrone said:
This one doesn't help and you know it. Who cares how many posts are on the site? We're talking about two tags here...again going beyond the scope of the argument and grasping at straws. In reality you have zero idea if this suffix does anything. Common sense would dictate that it doesn't, but you seem married to the idea that suffixes are a good thing, always, all the time.

Suffixes look like shit and are often completely redundant, but I am completely for them WHEN THEY ARE NEEDED. I don't think it's unwise to call for some actual thought to be put into suffixes. Again...zero thought was put into this one, and then people just accept it as a law of nature. I guess you don't like me challenging that, even when it makes complete sense to do so.

For fuck's sake! Just accept that it is a standard of the site and move on, please. This argument is going nowhere, you know it since you've been cherry picking and tossing salt at past actions, yet here we are.

At this point, my ultimate (meaning last, not of power) statement, before I disregard your argument as you are acting on opinion: it is part of the site standard and going against it solves nothing.

Now, I would like to make progress. If you had to choose, would you back the species, the character, or both? Furrin seems to imply that they'd like to get rid of one, and I'd like to see why before I give input.

Siral_Exan said:
At this point, my ultimate (meaning last, not of power) statement, before I disregard your argument as you are acting on opinion: it is part of the site standard and going against it solves nothing.

That's a pretty crappy ultimate point. Basically "this is just how it is". Glad we could boil your argument down so we can see how weak it truly is. Here's mine:

-There are only two possible "temmie" tags that are already more than adequately separated.
-Other similar characters in the franchise...like undyne and alphys...do not have suffixes.
-The suffix was created on a whim, without much thought, putting thought into it reveals it makes little sense

There you go. I'm done.

Dyrone said:
Yeah, nice strawman, but they don't have the same name...it's temmie and temmie_chang...he's not Cher...his name isn't just "Temmie"...your whole argument is invalid.

Two infamous tagging issues are people accidentally using a space instead of an underscore, or only using a single name rather than the full one. If either tag is unsuffixed, a user can easily not realize that it was the wrong tag.

Dyrone said:
-There are only two possible "temmie" tags that are already more than adequately separated.

As I said above, no, it's not.

-Other similar characters in the franchise...like undyne and alphys...do not have suffixes.

"This is the way it is." Hey, that sounds familiar.

Basically "this is just how it is". Glad we could boil your argument down so we can see how weak it truly is.

-The suffix was created on a whim, without much thought, putting thought into it reveals it makes little sense

Oh, just because the reasons were never pointed out you think it's a bad idea? That's a two way street, you're making a bad idea yourself by not discussing the points. Undyne really should get a suffix since it's very plausible to mistype "Undine", but some other characters, like Alphys, would only be "necessary" if we're following the supposed standard (which is really an iffy thing to start with).

Furrin_Gok said:
Two infamous tagging issues are people accidentally using a space instead of an underscore, or only using a single name rather than the full one. If either tag is unsuffixed, a user can easily not realize that it was the wrong tag.

So the core worry here is that someone is going to enter temmie_chang as temmie and chang. Well first of all they'd have to be an idiot not to notice the extra chang tag that would generate. Secondly, they'd have to be an idiot to not notice that the tag is GREEN, indicating a character instead of an artist. And THIRDLY...nothing like that has EVER HAPPENED BEFORE. I checked the tag history of literally every single temmie_chang image on this site (not hard...there are only 31 of them) to date and at no point did anyone ever mistakenly tagged temmie_chang as simply temmie or temmie and chang. So I'll say it again...IT'S. NOT. AN. ISSUE.

Furthermore, Temmie Chang was an artist on Undertale...so if you're already assuming someone is dense enough to not notice they added a character tag instead of an artist tag then the suffix doesn't really help, because that same person would probably be dense enough then to assume that the "(undertale)" suffix just means he worked on Undertale! In short, you're not giving people much credit here. People are stupid, but they're not THAT stupid.

Furrin_Gok said:
"This is the way it is." Hey, that sounds familiar.

Not at all, just showing it can work with certain characters. Other characters in the Undertale series do have the suffix and I'm fine with it because they are named after common things like "papyrus".

Furrin_Gok said:
Oh, just because the reasons were never pointed out you think it's a bad idea? That's a two way street, you're making a bad idea yourself by not discussing the points.

I literally address almost every point thrown at me...where have you been? And the reason was pointed out...since you're probably too lazy to go and read it yourself is literally "Since character_(franchise) is becoming more common practice now, I went ahead and flipped and approved this." So it was literally approved simply because it's a "common practice". Like I said...little thought behind it.

Since you are back, Dyrone, may I again ask for your opinion on which tag (tem, Temmie_(undertale), both, or something elze) you would prefer? You seem to lack no fervor whist responding to Furrin, undoubtedly you can treat me the same way.

Siral_Exan said:
Since you are back, Dyrone, may I again ask for your opinion on which tag (tem, Temmie_(undertale), both, or something elze) you would prefer? You seem to lack no fervor whist responding to Furrin, undoubtedly you can treat me the same way.

Really? I've already answered this. I will just quote myself in response:

Dyrone said:
According to the Undertale wiki their species name is just "temmie". Here's an excerpt: "Temmie (/ˈtɛ.miː/) is a species of monster in the Underground." If people are using "tem" as their species name they are simply wrong.

So why are you bringing up "tem" again?

Dyrone said:
The species is temmie and all their names cept one is Temmie...you'd basically just be double-tagging a ton of images with practically the same tag. Not worth. There are literally ZERO temmie OCs. I checked.

I think this makes my stance clear on whether or not they need a species tag (hint: they don't).

Dyrone said:
Really? I've already answered this. I will just quote myself in response:

So why are you bringing up "tem" again?

I think this makes my stance clear on whether or not they need a species tag (hint: they don't).

Well, it doesn't hurt to double check, ever. You may never know that "when you believe yourself right or wrong, that you are instead the opposite".

Furthermore, I wanted to separate discussions, so it doesn't get lumped into one. Anyone reading can now infer that there is at least two discussions, not one that includes the other.