You know bbmbbf, the artist that removed all of his stuff here recently?

It's sad that Palcomix and the websites he created are shutting down. You can still access the comics, but not through the comics page. you have to search on your own browser.

RIP Palcomix :(

Palcomix went DNP because everyone kept posting paid content.

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forum #230017

Can't feel any sympathy when it keeps being brought up.

Siral_Exan said:
Palcomix went DNP because everyone kept posting paid content.

forum #249856
forum #230017

Can't feel any sympathy when it keeps being brought up.

This had nothing to do with the post.

Ratte said:
This had nothing to do with the post.

I beg to differ, there always seems to be drama about Palcomix that is then posted on this site. It's nothing new. We seriously might as well have a dedicated thread for when Palcomix scratches its ass; this would have been better as a blip.

Siral_Exan said:
I beg to differ, there always seems to be drama about Palcomix that is then posted on this site. It's nothing new. We seriously might as well have a dedicated thread for when Palcomix scratches its ass.

Read the OP. The OP's forum post is in no way, shape, or form related to the DNP status of bbmbbf's works.

Siral_Exan said:
I beg to differ, there always seems to be drama about Palcomix that is then posted on this site. It's nothing new. We seriously might as well have a dedicated thread for when Palcomix scratches its ass.

Or you could actually use your fingers and eyes to see what it's about.

NotMeNotYou said:
Read the OP. The OP's forum post is in no way, shape, or form related to the DNP status of bbmbbf's works.

They're referring to how BBMBBF removed their art as "recent", I'm linking to how old that actually is.

Siral_Exan said:
I beg to differ, there always seems to be drama about Palcomix that is then posted on this site. It's nothing new. We seriously might as well have a dedicated thread for when Palcomix scratches its ass.

I think this thread should just be locked if everyone is just going to complain about how they can't pirate content. Besides, now look at what they've done to them: dead all because of them.

I know NotMeNotYou may seem to be irritating to some users from time to time, but I actually support his stance on bbmbbf's removal of his work from this site, and the rule revision of paid content being DNP forever until the author makes it available for free.

Siral_Exan said:
They're referring to how BBMBBF removed their art as "recent", I'm linking to how old that actually is.

Do you have eyes?

The site is being shut down.

Mairo said:
Do you have eyes?

Was it worth it to make a forum post to beat a dead horse?

Siral_Exan said:
They're referring to how BBMBBF removed their art as "recent", I'm linking to how old that actually is.

Siral_Exan said:
Was it worth it to make a forum post to beat a dead horse?

Did you ever consider looking before speaking?

Knotty_Curls said:
The site is being shut down.

And that is why I said "I don't feel sympathy...", but they also refer to an old-ass event as if it was relevant. It's not relevant to say they removed their art, it would be more relevant to say "they're shutting down the site" and exclude their demeanor with e6, it makes us look like a contributing factor to them shutting down their site when e6 aided them.

Siral_Exan said:
And that is why I said "I don't feel sympathy...", but they also refer to an old-ass event as if it was relevant. It's not relevant to say they removed their art, it would be more relevant to say "they're shutting down the site" and exclude their demeanor with e6, it makes us look like a contributing factor to them shutting down their site when e6 aided them.

How did e621 aid them?

realandyisepic said:
How did e621 aid them?

E621 removed their art on the artist's request, and gave them Do Not Post status. Other sites do not have to comply with the artist's requests, e6 differed.

Siral_Exan said:
And that is why I said "I don't feel sympathy...", but they also refer to an old-ass event as if it was relevant. It's not relevant to say they removed their art, it would be more relevant to say "they're shutting down the site" and exclude their demeanor with e6, it makes us look like a contributing factor to them shutting down their site when e6 aided them.

Are you serious?

The OP never referenced we had anything to do with it, this is entirely your fabrication.
The OP never mentioned the DNP status, because the closure of palcomix and related pages is a completely different pair of shoes.

I am absolutely baffled how you think linking the previous discussions about his DNP request is relevant to the thread when it's not the point of the thread at all.

Siral_Exan said:
E621 removed their art on the artist's request, and gave them Do Not Post status. Other sites do not have to comply with the artist's requests, e6 differed.

But you have to understand that this website DID contribute to Palcomix's profit loss because of the former 2-year rule. It's not just e621 that was doing it, but this site had a whole TON of their paid content.

NotMeNotYou said:
Are you serious?

The OP never referenced we had anything to do with it, this is entirely your fabrication.
The OP never mentioned the DNP status, because the closure of palcomix and related pages is a completely different pair of shoes.

I am absolutely baffled how you think linking the previous discussions about his DNP request is relevant to the thread when it's not the point of the thread at all.

Then why would the OP bother with listing e6's removal of their art along with their site shutting down, and exclude the other sites that are contributing factors to that site shutting down. Whether it was malice or not, saying e6 removes their art is irrelevant to the site shutting down, and I see that as an unnecessary detail to include when they could simply say "Palcomix is shutting down", or some variant with that message in mind.

If there is a point in saying e6 removed BBMBBF's art, provide it since I *edit*only see it as someone throwing salt on an old wound.

This is exactly why I stopped posting on the forums so often.

Siral_Exan said:
Then why would the OP bother with listing e6's removal of their art along with their site shutting down, and exclude the other sites that are contributing factors to that site shutting down. Whether it was malice or not, saying e6 removes their art is irrelevant to the site shutting down, and I see that as an unnecessary detail to include when they could simply say "Palcomix is shutting down", or some variant with that message in mind.

If there is a point in saying e6 removed BBMBBF's art, provide it since I *edit*only see it as someone throwing salt on an old wound.

realandyisepic said:
You know bbmbbf, the artist that removed all of his stuff here recently?

How does this sentence imply he's asking about the DNP status? How is this saying he places blame on us?

He literally just said "Hey, remember this guy? The guy that did that thing on here? He did another thing." and you're just foaming at your mouth over a completely irrelevant detail.

Knotty_Curls said:
This is exactly why I stopped posting on the forums so often.

Pedantism, not even once.

Looks like Palcomix was no longer his pal :V

TheHuskyK9 said:
Looks like Palcomix was no longer his pal :V

Uhhh.... *ba dum tss sound*?...

Okay i'll stop.

NotMeNotYou said:
How does this sentence imply he's asking about the DNP status? How is this saying he places blame on us?

He literally just said "Hey, remember this guy? The guy that did that thing on here? He did another thing." and you're just foaming at your mouth over a completely irrelevant detail.

Pedantism, not even once.

OP, why not start with something nice to say about Palcomix instead of something negative? This forum thread was practically a funeral, a site is dead so why say something bad first?

Jesus Christ.

I don't even.

Right.

realandyisepic said:
You know bbmbbf, the artist that removed all of his stuff here recently?

It's sad that Palcomix and the websites he created are shutting down. You can still access the comics, but not through the comics page. you have to search on your own browser.

RIP Palcomix :(

Geeze, that really does suck. I wasn't a fan or anything, but it's always sad seeing people who were able to make a livelihood no longer be able to. I wonder how pay-for-porn sites are doing in general. It's always amazed me that they (in general) have survived this long, given the plethora of free porn out there, but I guess it's a think like having a favorite artist... or having a guaranteed updates etc. I dunno.

But it's sad that they're struggling.

That said...

They said that they're not closing the whole thing yet.

I can try to push this thing forward a month or more using my own saved money, but I need to leave this message to the people. and sadly the only way that I know I can get your attention is closing the free site. I'm not paywalling the site (like some haters will start claiming), but we just can't keep the site running in the current situation.

I'm not blaming piracy, we always had that, but the truth is this : every day people are getting more and more used to getting content for free - movies, music, games, and of course porn, and that reflects in the low sales. I'll keep the paysites open in the hopes of the situation changing, and use my own savings to keep paying the debts, but we should be prepared for the end. Thanks for Reading.

So, if you want to help keep Palcomix alive... well, now's the time to subscribe if you want to give them some love and help out!

Siral_Exan said:

a long rant

I did say I don't care about motive but the fact that they used the very first sentence to point out a detail that has only ever started drama, is really odd. They open their post with a statement that is unresolved at the end of their post, they imply that the artist has a reason for shutting down their site when that reason wouldn't include e621 (present tense). They don't even include a link or description as to why Palcomix is shutting down, expecting users to look it up for themselves.

Palcomix even says that they're not blaming piracy, they're not pointing fingers at e6 or any site that had pirated content, yet the OP feels it necessary to reference e6's deleted (mostly pirated) content. Either the OP did not know why Palcomix went DNP, to which I linked forum posts and said why, states that e6 is part of the problem when the time and events that took or are taking place do not align, or some other reason that nonetheless make little sense when also saying Palcomix is shutting down.

The gist of what I am saying is that the OP could (and should) of used other ways to refer to Palcomix/BBMBBF, ways that favor the artist instead of referring to the actions Palcomix/BBMBBF took on this site. Instead of saying "remember that artist that removed all their art", complimenting or citing their art or comics would have painted a better image for the site and make readers have a reason to feel sorry for the site shutting down; instead, they paint e6 or the artist / actions the artist did in a negative light, suggesting that the shutting down the site and the removal of the art are correlated. They're not, the artist has made 2 separate choices over a year or so, one to take down the art and one to shut down the site.

I can summarize that in a few words: Baseless assumptions about OP's intent.

He used a significant event involving the artist in question, while keeping it neutral. Anything you read into it is purely on your assumption and has no basis in his statements. You're literally jumping through 2 or 3 hoops to come to a conclusion.

Siral_Exan said:
OP, why not start with something nice to say about Palcomix instead of something negative? This forum thread was practically a funeral, a site is dead so why say something bad first?

Maybe if everyone in this thread tells you you're wrong you might be the one that did something wrong.

NotMeNotYou said:

post #415921

I like this thread. I'm having fun. I think I like watching arguments... Is it rude to say so? Probably.

Siral_Exan said:
OP, why not start with something nice to say about Palcomix instead of something negative? This forum thread was practically a funeral, a site is dead so why say something bad first?

realandyisepic said:
You know bbmbbf, the artist that removed all of his stuff here recently?

I don't see that as negative. I'm being serious, but I'll adopt the snark as well. Truth is impartial, and the tone barely qualifies as negative. Maybe if DNPs scorned me, but they don't. DNP happens. Perceived negativity is reader bias.

I see this as a "news thread". OP announces something, and everything below is the "comment section". I subject myself daily to sewage the aggregated news discussions in this exact format on a technology site. Utter masochism on my part. I don't know why I can't quit that place, and I only lurk. But if I get to read a news thread on E621 that is anything but orderly, it's a treat.

NotMeNotYou said:
I can summarize that in a few words: Baseless assumptions about OP's intent.

He used a significant event involving the artist in question, while keeping it neutral. Anything you read into it is purely on your assumption and has no basis in his statements. You're literally jumping through 2 or 3 hoops to come to a conclusion.

Maybe if everyone in this thread tells you you're wrong you might be the one that did something wrong.

I've had people tell me I'm wrong when I turned out to be right, both on site and off; this situation is no different, unless I am proven wrong then no amount of stances will make me believe that I am wrong. I admit that I started out on a bad foot, but I wholeheartedly believe that the OP did a wrong too by also starting a topic with a bad foot. You can't deny that an artist becoming DNP leaves a sour tone in the following posts, it's happened before and haven't stopped doing so; vice versa, while Palcomix dying is unfortunate, I won't lie and say that it's "sad" when I don't feel sorry for them.

Honestly, this might be a good thing for them in the long run, while I'm not omniscient I can believe that they'll recover from this and better themselves as a result. They lasted as long as this, acknowledged their problems (or problems that affect them), and it sounds like they made peace with the inevitable end. I respect them for that, and I will miss some of their "better" comics (personal opinion).

But they made it apparent what thorns were in their side, and they didn't say e6 was one of them directly. Privileged viewers, as well as the competition from other sources of porn, are their big problems and it is disheartening to hear e621's name (indirectly) lumped with an artist and site whom is actually suffering. E6 is not a cause of their problem, and whether they meant it their way or not they implied that e6 was one of BBMBBF's problems when shutting down Palcomix, when it stopped being a problem around a year ago. It was piss poor when Palcomix took down their art and we don't need to be reminded of it, especially when poorer events are occurring.

Siral_Exan said:
I've had people tell me I'm wrong when I turned out to be right, both on site and off; this situation is no different, unless I am proven wrong then no amount of stances will make me believe that I am wrong. I admit that I started out on a bad foot, but I wholeheartedly believe that the OP did a wrong too by also starting a topic with a bad foot. You can't deny that an artist becoming DNP leaves a sour tone in the following posts, it's happened before and haven't stopped doing so; vice versa, while Palcomix dying is unfortunate, I won't lie and say that it's "sad" when I don't feel sorry for them.

"You can't deny that it leaves a source tone"? Do you ever listen to your own arguments? What happened in other threads, with different posters, is completely irrelevant. You're damning OP by association of an unrelated happenstance in the past. You let "your" previous experience cloud your interpretation of OPs post.

"I admit that I started out on a bad foot, but I wholeheartedly believe that the OP did a wrong too by also starting a topic with a bad foot." No, you're just trying to turn him into a scapegoat for your own mistake.

Siral_Exan said:
Honestly, this might be a good thing for them in the long run, while I'm not omniscient I can believe that they'll recover from this and better themselves as a result. They lasted as long as this, acknowledged their problems (or problems that affect them), and it sounds like they made peace with the inevitable end. I respect them for that, and I will miss some of their "better" comics (personal opinion).

But they made it apparent what thorns were in their side, and they didn't say e6 was one of them directly. Privileged viewers, as well as the competition from other sources of porn, are their big problems and it is disheartening to hear e621's name (indirectly) lumped with an artist and site whom is actually suffering. E6 is not a cause of their problem, and whether they meant it their way or not they implied that e6 was one of BBMBBF's problems when shutting down Palcomix, when it stopped being a problem around a year ago. It was piss poor when Palcomix took down their art and we don't need to be reminded of it, especially when poorer events are occurring.

Absolutely irrelevant to the argumentation that OP never inquired about the dnp status, but you burst into the thread like that's what he was asking about. And subsequently us telling you need to read the thread before jumping to conclusions and "answering" completely irrelevant things.

Never really understood the angle that if a creator with paid for content doesn't request DNP here that they will lose money due to leaks. People uploading the paid content are either knowingly doing so, and will just not post the artist tag - maybe crop the signature out. It still needs to be manually deleted when auto flagged. I only follow the pokemon stuff, but people flag the paid content pretty quickly here from what I've seen. They are also mostly sourcing from leak sites which means the stuff is already out there; if you try hard enough you can find anything really, it is the internet after all.

Are you playing me dumb? You and I both know the correlation between takedowns and a DNP status, and as I said before me bringing up DNP was merely one thing I speculated would be the flawed reason behind the OP's starting statement. Since the OP may not know why all of BBMBBF/Palcomix's artwork and comics were nuked, I played safe and explained regardless of if the OP knew or otherwise, especially since this drama behind Palcomix has been brought up before and falls back to their artwork was removed for some reason that a user cannot fathom. Artwork doesn't magically disappear, there is always a reason behind it.

I still act as though the OP acted in good faith and merely did one negative thing, this argument is perpetuated by me having to repeat that. It is merely opinions that we have, because neither of us knows the OP's intention yet pretend we do. That was my mistake, I don't know the OP's intention and acted as I did, but none of us know except for the OP; hence why I asked that they open on a positive statement, that was a means to correct my faulty logic, but that doesn't negate the fact that they opened with a topic that can be perceived negative by anyone.

Now, I doubt that this argument will end merely because of me admitting my mistake, but since the OP hasn't commented and it's only you and me left arguing publicly (and hopefully it's been that way), why don't we stop since we're going nowhere fast. I've already made myself look like a fool for longer than I should have, and I don't think I have to tell you what results when you argue with a fool.

wow

Lord_Eggplant said:
wow

+1

Frankly I am surprised at just how much of a detour this thread took.

On topic, I do agree that it's unfortunate that his site is likely shutting down. I wonder how the other sites are managing to keep up, whether paid or not. I know that e621 is supported by Bad Dragon through the "Dragonfruit Ventures" thing, but I don't think the other sites have that kind of support.

Shame to see an old giant fall, though throughout their publication I can honestly only say I liked 2, maybe 3 of their comics, so eh~

Furrin_Gok said:
On topic, I do agree that it's unfortunate that his site is likely shutting down. I wonder how the other sites are managing to keep up, whether paid or not.

Not too well, from what I've seen. Paysites have got a bad reputation over the years, making it's hard attract paying customers. And there's so much free porn nowadays that it'd have be something special to even draw attention in the first place.

From what I've seen, many artists have switched from traditional paysites to using Patreon instead, which seems like a better business model these days.

Patreon are such bastards. I mean they get all their success of the backs of these porn artists, then once they get nice and big they just kick them to the curb.

Honestly never really liked Palcomix all that much, they never seemed all that inventive, but it's sad to me that people who obviously put a good amount of effort into their porn can't make a buck.

In the end, isn't this mostly market speaking? Nobody wanted to throw money at them, especially when majority seemed to enjoy their comics for the comical value of poor artwork and writing, meaning it wasn't exactly most sustainable business?

Furrin_Gok said:
On topic, I do agree that it's unfortunate that his site is likely shutting down. I wonder how the other sites are managing to keep up, whether paid or not. I know that e621 is supported by Bad Dragon through the "Dragonfruit Ventures" thing, but I don't think the other sites have that kind of support.

Technically the site has so much traffic that throwing similar advertisement what other boorus are using would keep the site sustainable or even do some level of crowdfunding to keep it running. However because of the dongs, those things aren't necessarity, so it has been chosen simply not to do those.

Dyrone said:
Patreon are such bastards. I mean they get all their success of the backs of these porn artists, then once they get nice and big they just kick them to the curb.

I have to admit that I have almost no knowledge of palcomix/bbmbbf patreons, all I know is that they have had one since february 2016 and they hid their income in 2017 when they were hitting over 4K income there alone along with other forms of income.
https://graphtreon.com/creator/bbmbbf

from the look of what was said on the site, bbmbbf isn't blaming piracy, but pointing out that pal is slowly becoming obsolete as the industry changes, and that the loss is reflecting that. there's still the possibility that they move with the industry and find a new way to get income.

Mairo said:
In the end, isn't this mostly market speaking? Nobody wanted to throw money at them, especially when majority seemed to enjoy their comics for the comical value of poor artwork and writing, meaning it wasn't exactly most sustainable business?

Well, based off of the webpage... They have three places to get money:

1 - the mobius unleased network - the payment processor kicked them off and they were forced to move to "a more restrictive and problematic one" Presumably this involves breaking people's subscriptions and forcing people to put in fresh payment information etc.
2 - hentai key, where, by what they SAY, it sounds to me like hentai key was treating them them unusually. They had a deal, and it ended, dropping income by 66%... then suddenly in February they experienced another 66% drop.
3 - Patreon... Until Patreon kicked them off. ...?

Then the started 'Pietro's club', but I don't know how that worked worked, sooo...

This actually sounds, more like technical issues of various sorts. Recurring subscriptions are more more successful than asking people to buy each month... then those 66% drops sound... sudden and surprising. 66% of people don't just decide "Nah, not anymore" all at once. THAT sounds like hentai key did something to advertise them less.

So, while they certainly didn't have a big market, they DID have a sustainable business... until suddenly they didn't. it's pretty odd.

I have to admit that I have almost no knowledge of palcomix/bbmbbf patreons, all I know is that they have had one since february 2016 and they hid their income in 2017 when they were hitting over 4K income there alone along with other forms of income.
https://graphtreon.com/creator/bbmbbf

I.. Hm. I don't know. Maybe that's a personal patreon versus a 'palcomix' patreon. I dunno! But I do know that it's, aparently, primary income for a number of artists, so... even 4k isn't enough to support several people and large server costs.

I only really remember them for The Adventures of Ashchu, which still seem to have some sort of legendary impact on this website many years after the images were posted and subsequently removed.

That shit was hilarious.

Mairo said:
However because of the dongs, those things aren't necessarity,

Hooray for the dongs!

Doomguy666 said:
Hooray for the dongs!

Dongs are the good stuff, yes.

IndigoHeat said:
I only really remember them for The Adventures of Ashchu, which still seem to have some sort of legendary impact on this website many years after the images were posted and subsequently removed.

That shit was hilarious.

"Gonna cuuuuuuuummmmmmmm"

IndigoHeat said:
I only really remember them for The Adventures of Ashchu, which still seem to have some sort of legendary impact on this website many years after the images were posted and subsequently removed.

That shit was hilarious.

that comic was really the only reason I knew of Palcomix...

I mostly remember 5th Phase which was a free one, because I'm one of those people who will look at a comic by a furry porn artist and skip the porn to get to the plot unless I find the porn funny enough. And that one had a good story but I haven seen an update on any sites.

There was this free one where some sonic character was demanding advice from a radio and the radio was playing Live and Learn, and I think there were some harem scenes in between but radio!

IndigoHeat said:
I only really remember them for The Adventures of Ashchu, which still seem to have some sort of legendary impact on this website many years after the images were posted and subsequently removed.

That shit was hilarious.

That usual level of "Quality" and repetitiveness is why I for one won't miss them. More room for the lesser known, Better drawn and written works from others now.