With the upload limit, it goes down with the amount of deleted posts. Anyways it seems unfair to lower your upload limit after posting a good photo that was replaced with a higher quality photo later. The lower post limit seems like a punishment, and you shouldn't be punished for things you often can't control.

It's not, and it doesn't really mater.
Unless you are uploading "good" photos all the time.

It's not a "good" photo if it gets deleted for being smaller.

E6 wants the best version available, so you'll need to know which site to get the best from (depending on the artist).

https://e621.net/wiki/show/howto:sites_and_sources

Is it really a good upload if someone has to replace it with a better version?

This thread title seems clickbaity

NotMeNotYou said:
Is it really a good upload if someone has to replace it with a better version?

Yes, because it doesn't imply laziness on part of the uploader. Sometimes higher res versions are deep in the internet.

Munkelzahn said:
This thread title seems clickbaity

I'm not exactly sure what else I could use for a title.

Dutchnoob said:
Yes, because it doesn't imply laziness on part of the uploader. Sometimes higher res versions are deep in the internet.
I'm not exactly sure what else I could use for a title.

Less emo, More context?

FoxFourOhFour said:
Less emo, More context?

Emo? What are you talking about? How about... "this seems to unfair im gonna slit my wrists and die" I'm kidding, but yeah.

Dutchnoob said:
Yes, because it doesn't imply laziness on part of the uploader. Sometimes higher res versions are deep in the internet.

Another person still has to put in effort and time to provide the better version, which by all means should have been uploaded in the first place. Without any approvals it still takes 40 deleted images until the limit reaches 0, if someone doesn't get the message to not upload inferior version after 40 deletions they deserve being barred from uploading.

Dutchnoob said:
I'm not exactly sure what else I could use for a title.

For example "Reducing the upload limit when an acceptable post is replaced seems unfair" would be a lot more descriptive and already give an idea about what is to be expected in the thread.

Dutchnoob said:
Sometimes higher res versions are deep in the internet.

All of your deleted duplicates (and one DNP post) look like they were FROM deep in the internet. 11 out of 12 deletions didn't even have a source or an artist tag when you uploaded them. The remaining deletion was a screencap.

Seeing as you've done the same thing with your most recent uploads, I won't be surprised if you are hit with more deletions very soon.

All of these deletions will be 100% your fault. Stop uploading from third-party websites.

Knotty_Curls said:
All of your deleted duplicates (and one DNP post) look like they were FROM deep in the internet. 11 out of 12 deletions didn't even have a source or an artist tag when you uploaded them. The remaining deletion was a screencap.

Seeing as you've done the same thing with your most recent uploads, I won't be surprised if you are hit with more deletions very soon.

All of these deletions will be 100% your fault. Stop uploading from third-party websites.

So what, quit uploading new pictures? They are legitimate pictures, I don't see the problem.

Dutchnoob said:
So what, quit uploading new pictures? They are legitimate pictures, I don't see the problem.

Don't post from third-party unofficial sites, most likely it would be resized and not of the original resolution posted by the artist.

Get your posts from the official source, find out which site the artist normally posts to and upload the ones from there.

Use this tool to see if a post already exists on the site, http://iqdb.harry.lu/
(Currently down for some reason)

the upload limit reduction is a way to force people to learn to post the best possible version.

Dutchnoob said:
So what, quit uploading new pictures? They are legitimate pictures, I don't see the problem.

No, try to get your pictures from (one of) the artists' personal galleries. Which isn't that hard, they're usually on FurAffinity, Inkbunny, Tumblr etc. Often just a Google search away.

Not only will you be able to properly source your uploads, but it also raises chances of them being the best versions available. Especially if you go to multiple sites and compare them. Takes a little more time that way, but saves you lots of deletions.

NotMeNotYou said:
Is it really a good upload if someone has to replace it with a better version?

To be fair, it could be a perfectly good quality upload, but then next week the artist posts an even higher-res version on a different gallery, and someone finds it and replaces yours. That's out of your control.

There are dozens of pages with bvats
I should just upload all of them over the holidays

Dutchnoob said:
So what, quit uploading new pictures? They are legitimate pictures, I don't see the problem.

As others have said, when you trip over a neat picture, go "wow!" and try to find that artist's gallery. When I do that, I try to upload several other things they've done too-- It always makes me sad to see an artist with only one or two posts to their name. :)

Remember that without artists, we wouldn't have any pictures here. So do the best you can to make things great for the artist--share good quality copies of their work, and try to tag artists and sources wherever you can :)

If you need any help with anything mentioned here, let me know and I can do my best to help out <3

I'm with OP. Whenever I upload something, it is usually taken directly from the source and sourced there as well. So it's very annoying and disheartening to see my upload count at 4 or some shit just because someone else found a better version MONTHS after I'd uploaded the best one I could find.

It isn't fair and I'd even vote to have this system removed.

But...I don't do much uploading on here anymore anyway BECAUSE of the limit, so it's cool. I'd much rather favorite and comment, so feel free to ignore me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SilkywereRedux said:
I'm with OP. Whenever I upload something, it is usually taken directly from the source and sourced there as well. So it's very annoying and disheartening to see my upload count at 4 or some shit just because someone else found a better version MONTHS after I'd uploaded the best one I could find.

It isn't fair and I'd even vote to have this system removed.

But...I don't do much uploading on here anymore anyway BECAUSE of the limit, so it's cool. I'd much rather favorite and comment, so feel free to ignore me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

read this thread (notice that the method of obtaining the raw version on the first post is outdated) because it seems that you are unaware of tumblr's raw versions. 1280 version is usually the downscaled version while raw version is the full resolution version.

i recommend paying attention to forums more so you wont miss things like these in future.

Commander_Eggplant said:
read this thread (notice that the method of obtaining the raw version on the first post is outdated) because it seems that you are unaware of tumblr's raw versions. 1280 version is usually the downscaled version while raw version is the full resolution version.

im pretty sure that there was even post about this in the site news when people figured out about the raw version. so like. i recommend paying attention to forums and news more so you wont miss things like these in future.

Again, I rarely upload anymore, so I'm not surprised I missed that. I'll just comment and favorite, it's easier and there's no hassle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: Just tried your method. It just gives me "there's nothing here" screen so?

SilkywereRedux said:
Again, I rarely upload anymore, so I'm not surprised I missed that. I'll just comment and favorite, it's easier and there's no hassle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: Just tried your method. It just gives me "there's nothing here" screen so?

i have no idea what you tried to do because that "there's nothing here" page cannot come with direct image links. so here is step by step guide for how to get the raw version:

step 1: take direct image link
step 2: replace 78.media with s3.amazonaws.com/data and the number in end with raw

for example:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/4d5a15ed5e8bc411355697c6f1335012/tumblr_p4d3y4lPFF1r6790wo1_1280.png
->
https://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/4d5a15ed5e8bc411355697c6f1335012/tumblr_p4d3y4lPFF1r6790wo1_raw.png

this does not work with uploads made before december 2012 because thats when the raw versions were added to the site.

Commander_Eggplant said:
i have no idea what you tried to do because that "there's nothing here" page cannot come with direct image links. so here is step by step guide for how to get the raw version:

step 1: take direct image link
step 2: replace 78.media with s3.amazonaws.com/data and the number in end with raw

for example:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/4d5a15ed5e8bc411355697c6f1335012/tumblr_p4d3y4lPFF1r6790wo1_1280.png
->
https://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/4d5a15ed5e8bc411355697c6f1335012/tumblr_p4d3y4lPFF1r6790wo1_raw.png

this does not work with uploads made before december 2012 because thats when the raw versions were added to the site.

Noted. Moot point to me, but maybe some passerby will find it helpful :)

SilkywereRedux said:
I'm with OP. Whenever I upload something, it is usually taken directly from the source and sourced there as well. So it's very annoying and disheartening to see my upload count at 4 or some shit just because someone else found a better version MONTHS after I'd uploaded the best one I could find.

It isn't fair and I'd even vote to have this system removed.

But...I don't do much uploading on here anymore anyway BECAUSE of the limit, so it's cool. I'd much rather favorite and comment, so feel free to ignore me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SilkywereRedux said:
Again, I rarely upload anymore, so I'm not surprised I missed that. I'll just comment and favorite, it's easier and there's no hassle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: Just tried your method. It just gives me "there's nothing here" screen so?

https://e621.net/wiki/show/howto:sites_and_sources#tumblr
Wiki page is much better, because it can be kept up to date and contain other websites. This was the problem with earlier forum thread explaining these things, because OP wasn't updating the page in any way.

Sometimes posts getting replaced is out of your hands. Artist can suddenly feel like they want to post their older stuff here at higher resolution and your upload will then get replaced. Sometimes simple fuck ups happen. This is why the upload limit is how it is, it's there to avoid someone from just registering and suddenly uploading bunch of stuff that are getting deleted but it will have some level of flexibility so that you aren't completely fucked over couple bad uploads.

That said admins do have power to raise your base limit. If the reason that your posts has been getting replaced is because superior versions have been uploaded, especially before the tumblr thing came into everyones attention, your upload count can be easily restored.

You can avoid this from being happening in the first place by getting best variation available (wiki link above) and if there are better versions available from your own posts, replacing them yourself (user:username better_version_at_source). Also "I wasn't going to upload anyway" is really tsundere way of telling about this issue.

Commander_Eggplant said:
read this thread (notice that the method of obtaining the raw version on the first post is outdated) because it seems that you are unaware of tumblr's raw versions. 1280 version is usually the downscaled version while raw version is the full resolution version.

i recommend paying attention to forums more so you wont miss things like these in future.

I edited that thread so people know to check the wiki page instead.

One more little thing I want to add: If an artist comes out with a higher resolution of a picture that they didn't allow to be previously available, uploaders should not be dinged for it here. That isn't a situation that's within their control.

SilkywereRedux said:
One more little thing I want to add: If an artist comes out with a higher resolution of a picture that they didn't allow to be previously available, uploaders should not be dinged for it here. That isn't a situation that's within their control.

well, there's two things here: either you're uploading enough images that the occasional higher res release isn't a big deal... or you're uploading one or two artist's work exclusively, therefor, you should know that they'll release a higher res version of the picture in a few days, and that you should wait.... unless they only do it sometimes, in which case, the occasional ding isn't a big deal.

See, cuz, this way lies madness.

The other day, I uploaded several images from an artist. (my source was medibang paint's art gallery. Medibang paint is an art program like sai or photoshop, and they have artist galleries and stuff.) After I finished, I went to go look at her other galleries to see if she had other art. I found her pixiv account and realized that everything uploaded to the medibang paint site was compressed and artifacty, small and gross. (ironic...) ... Well, that was my fault. I should have checked every source I could find before uploading.

My bad.

But is it a user's fault if they upload from fur affinity and the artist uploads larger copies to deviantart?

who knows.

But the occasional ding really shouldn't be a big deal.

The original poster has posted 52 posts, and 25 of them have been deleted. 17 of them were for being an 'inferior version'

I'm gonna pick some random ones:

First one is From InkBunny. Inkbunny has, below every image "set default image size: Small|medium|wide" and "download (new tab)"... so what's this mean?

Well, it means I get different images when right click and copy the image address, depending on what options I have:

• small (300x300 max)
• medium (920px width)
• wide (Fits window width)

Three of the iamges uploaded at the same time from teh same artist are the same width, so I suspect this is where the mistake was made.

my second random imges one is also from inkbunny. The resolution is the same as the oen that later replaced it, but the deleted copy was compressed: 1 MB vs 71.5KB -- and it looks it, yikes.

Third one is from deviant art. The 'better version' is 7.1MB, while his is 559.3 KB. double yikes.

Forth is from fur affinity... The image he uploaded was 1060x1506... the artist's original upload was 690x980. His vision was upsized.

So.

for him, at least, the case is that he's doing it wrong, rather than that the artist is uploading higher quality versions later.

SilkywereRedux said:
One more little thing I want to add: If an artist comes out with a higher resolution of a picture that they didn't allow to be previously available, uploaders should not be dinged for it here. That isn't a situation that's within their control.

You can push for this feature to be added, forum #209917.

Uh... know this been solved an all. But, happened to me? I have 20 deleted posts, not many right? Well I don't normally upload anything unless it's mine or something either I stumbled upon it and know e621 doesn't have it or I thought it was worth it.
Lots of the times, I am pulling the images straight off the artists main upload. Over time though, the mods or janitors seem to find better images, where? I have no farukin idea since my upload was the ONLY image available at the time.
So my post limits at 11. Don't plan on even getting past two in the foreseeable future so not a problem, but it's a little worrying that over time it will drop even further as other people pull better images that never existed out of their hats and replace my uploads with them...

Esme_Belles said:

Uh... know this been solved an all. But, happened to me? I have 20 deleted posts, not many right? Well I don't normally upload anything unless it's mine or something either I stumbled upon it and know e621 doesn't have it or I thought it was worth it.
Lots of the times, I am pulling the images straight off the artists main upload. Over time though, the mods or janitors seem to find better images, where? I have no farukin idea since my upload was the ONLY image available at the time.
So my post limits at 11. Don't plan on even getting past two in the foreseeable future so not a problem, but it's a little worrying that over time it will drop even further as other people pull better images that never existed out of their hats and replace my uploads with them...

I'm gonna go with your most recent one with this, but https://e621.net/post/show/280719 will suffice. The linked post has a 811 x 771 resolution. However, the source has a download link that pushes that to 1000 x 951 resolution. The BVAS tag was added in November, so at minimum it was added last year and at maximum it was added in 2013, since the source was uploaded December 2012. Your post was uploaded on 12/31/2012, or December 31st of 2012.

So, with your stated "pulling the images straight off the artist's main upload", you are either not getting the best version available or the artist is giving better versions available at a later date. For the latter, this is out of your power anyhow, the best you can do is keep an eye on your posts for whenever BVAS is added to them.

For your artwork, on the other hand, you merely need to make sure to not upload better versions elsewhere. The site does not care about who the uploader is (unless it's DNP), it cares for the best version publicly available; as an art archive, this is basically mandatory, you either upload the best or the best overrides your upload. If you choose to upload better versions, what you can do is manually replace the lower quality versions before it gets replaced. This mitigates some of the damage of a replaced post, you'll keep the # of uploaded posts the same while gaining a deleted post, over losing an uploaded post and gaining a deleted post.

I have no farukin idea since my upload was the ONLY image available at the time.

This would be exactly why they were deleted: at the time they were uploaded, they were either the best available image or you nabbed an inferior version of that 1 image. But with artists either loosening the reigns by uploading to different sites, or finding new ways to get better versions, old posts are inevitably offered at a better res or had a better res from the start that wasn't immediately accessible. You can't control either of these, but you can fix your posts before they're deleted.

Your observation, that your posts get replaced by newer ones despite being old and at it's best back then, is literally an effect of time: shit gets old, shit gets new, new shit replaces old shit, everything stinks up a storm.

Yep it's bullshit and actually incentivizes people to not post new art. I don't know why you're acting smug for pushing away users. There's a lot of art out there that don't get posted in e621. Even if it isn't the "best version", you ought to not get punished for posting it here and making it known. Otherwise, people won't bother posting it because it will just get deleted anyways. If it weren't there to begin with, your janitors wouldn't post your upscaled versions in the first place. Anyways fuck you

dextrous said:
Yep it's bullshit and actually incentivizes people to not post new art. I don't know why you're acting smug for pushing away users. There's a lot of art out there that don't get posted in e621. Even if it isn't the "best version", you ought to not get punished for posting it here and making it known. Otherwise, people won't bother posting it because it will just get deleted anyways. If it weren't there to begin with, your janitors wouldn't post your upscaled versions in the first place. Anyways fuck you

It doesn't even start to punish you until 4 deletions. If uploaders lose motivation because they refuse to learn the difference between third-party sites and original galleries, that's a personal problem. Make room for the source-savvy uploaders who are replacing everything.

I will never understand why some uploaders take it personally when we delete artwork they didn't make or commission. Over nearly a thousand uploads and 63 deletions, the only deletion that came close to bothering me was a single takedown. Someone adopted the character after my upload and took offense to it being here, despite my explicit permission from the artist to post. I was more bothered by their tone and entitlement than anything else, but hey, they did adopt the character.

That was something that I had no way of predicting or preventing. Sourcing, on the other hand, is entirely in the uploader's control. We even have guides for this (howto:source / howto:sites_and_sources).

Additionally, if your upload limit gets drastically reduced by a mass takedown or a replacement spree, you can ask us to restore your post limit. We judge these requests case by case, but we usually honor them.

Admin are pretty reasonable. I mean. if you've been uploading ArtyMcFurry's whole gallery, then suddenly, he, a month later, releases the 'complete uncut, HD ArtyMcFurry Collection' and suddenly EVERYTHING you've posted has a better version available, I'm pretty sure you could talk to someone about it and they'd be "wow, yeah, that sucks and is out of your control." and fix it for you.

The point is not to punish for things out of your control. The point is when you're on twitter and see that ButtsMcFurFace uploaded there, that you go "oh right, his FurArtSpace account is the best place to get his uploads, and run over there to grab the HD version, rather than the 500x600 version uploaded to twitter."

The point of posting, by the way, is not to bask in personal glory, but to show off good art and good artists to others. There's no high score for most comments or upvotes received, or even most uploads.

dextrous said:
Yep it's bullshit and actually incentivizes people to not post new art. I don't know why you're acting smug for pushing away users. There's a lot of art out there that don't get posted in e621. Even if it isn't the "best version", you ought to not get punished for posting it here and making it known. Otherwise, people won't bother posting it because it will just get deleted anyways. If it weren't there to begin with, your janitors wouldn't post your upscaled versions in the first place. Anyways fuck you

upscaling is not allowed either.

kamimatsu said:
upscaling is not allowed either.

deletedby:Mairo delreason:upscale
Making sure this is upscale free zone.

Mairo said:
deletedby:Mairo delreason:upscale
Making sure this is upscale free zone.

post #1469056 might be of interest

To respond to this, perhaps I shouldn't overrely on Tumblr or Twitter as the source when uploading my own works, because they'll compress it to a smaller resolution, and I will get annoyed late when someone uploads the raw version and deletes my own upload, which would diminish my upload limit.

I think uploading my own artworks straight from the computer is the best bet even if the internet is really slow and the filesize is really big.

Also, on Derpibooru, when there's a duplicate or a better version, they kinda merge it instead of deleting it.

Bruddas we need to not lower upload limit because of higher Rez versions

No, this function is a valuable tool and teaches an important life lesson.

AlexYorim said:
To respond to this, perhaps I shouldn't overrely on Tumblr or Twitter as the source when uploading my own works, because they'll compress it to a smaller resolution

actually tumblr DOES save original versions. the issue here seems to be that you dont know how to download the original version while others do, so other people will replace your uploads with the original versions from your tumblr.
so heres step by step guide how to obtain highest resolution from tumblr:

step 1: get the direct image link (right click -> copy direct image link).
for example:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/cfe37a22fb46657e2d7c92a708a25611/tumblr_p74vkuNeI81r6790wo1_1280.png

step 2: replace 78.media with a and replace the number in the end with raw
for example:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/cfe37a22fb46657e2d7c92a708a25611/tumblr_p74vkuNeI81r6790wo1_1280.png
->
https://a.tumblr.com/cfe37a22fb46657e2d7c92a708a25611/tumblr_p74vkuNeI81r6790wo1_raw.png

congrats, now you have high res version of the thing.

Lord_Eggplant said:
actually tumblr DOES save original versions. the issue here seems to be that you dont know how to download the original version while others do, so other people will replace your uploads with the original versions from your tumblr.

I already know how. I also use a UserScript for that (though that varies depending on how fast my internet is). What I meant to say is that, while cumbersome, it's also an option for the artist to upload their original high res artworks straight from their computer.

AlexYorim said:
I already know how. I also use a UserScript for that (though that varies depending on how fast my internet is). What I meant to say is that, while cumbersome, it's also an option for the artist to upload their original high res artworks straight from their computer.

It really would be preferable for artists (like you~) to upload from their own source files. :)

What makes it cumbersome for you? Maybe it's something that could be made easier?

SnowWolf said:
It really would be preferable for artists (like you~) to upload from their own source files. :)

What makes it cumbersome for you? Maybe it's something that could be made easier?

The cumbersomness depends to me if the file is big and the internet connection is slow.

What I meant to say is that, while cumbersome...

And I might have said the wrong word. "...while it takes a little bit of effort..." would have been a better choice of words.

Yeah, I don't like that people get hit for uploading something and then having it replaced later. Frankly I don't like the way this website replaces images in the first place, I'd much rather it just update a post instead of having to go through the whole song and dance of uploading a better version, tagging that version or ripping tags from the old version.. or both.. and then all the comments get deleted, all the upvotes and downvotes.

I mean the system really does rather defeat the whole purpose of upvotes and downvotes as well as comments. Something gets uploaded, gets tons of upvotes and comments, and then a couple years later a better version is released and uploaded and suddenly all those upvotes and comments might as well have never even happened.

It'd just be so much better and so much easier if they just updated the post with the better version, no deletions, no punishing users for not waiting years to get *the* best version that the artist eventually decides to grace us with. Maybe transfer the upload count to the updater but stop adding it to the deleted amount.

Just my 2c, anyway.

AnotherDay said:
Yeah, I don't like that people get hit for uploading something and then having it replaced later. Frankly I don't like the way this website replaces images in the first place, I'd much rather it just update a post instead of having to go through the whole song and dance of uploading a better version, tagging that version or ripping tags from the old version.. or both.. and then all the comments get deleted, all the upvotes and downvotes.

I mean the system really does rather defeat the whole purpose of upvotes and downvotes as well as comments. Something gets uploaded, gets tons of upvotes and comments, and then a couple years later a better version is released and uploaded and suddenly all those upvotes and comments might as well have never even happened.

It'd just be so much better and so much easier if they just updated the post with the better version, no deletions, no punishing users for not waiting years to get *the* best version that the artist eventually decides to grace us with. Maybe transfer the upload count to the updater but stop adding it to the deleted amount.

Just my 2c, anyway.

This is where it gets to technical level where there needs to be code implemented and rewritten, rather than just change in rules and guidelines. Sites main goal is still to archive furry artwork rather than social features and there has been attempt to make things easier by allowing users to even read comments on deleted posts directly.

Being able to simply edit the file in submission would be insanely much easier for the staff to handle as well, but as things are right now, the submission if tied to files hash and editing file changes the hash.

So if you can hire more coders to the site to do all of these things, even better if they can build things from ground up so we don't have to deal with all of the inconviniences of current software, then sure.

But even after all that talk, in the end it would benefit everyone if everyone did do things correctly from the get go. There has been users who have just lazily been uploading compressed or sample versions of everything and they didn't stop even after several contact attempts, so if there was system where files could simply be replaced, these users wouldn't have anything to worry about as everyone else would then fix after them.

Because in the end, in majority of cases the best available versions are already there and with taking two seconds of thinking instead of just hurrying to upload form helps. Excluding the huge Tumblr situation from year ago, there's really rarely situations where posts from proper sites (read: not furaffinity) are getting replaced.

I'm not going to say anything about deleting inferior posts since its a great feature to have. though kind of wish the rescaling system was updated to allow a certain pixel size to be the default. that way no can complain it too big or too small.

however I want to point out a certain trend I tend to see when it come to these type of subjects

e621:
we are a art buroo that allow people to view free furry posts. however even though beggers can't be chooser,don't actively email the artist to see if there okay with there stuffs being here, and depend entirely on volunteers, we ask you to dig around the internet to find the best version otherwise we will punish you and say what a terrible job your doing in a snarky manner. but if you play your cards right for 10 years ,follow our vague and impossible critera of being a good user,we may upgrade you to priviliged. that is if we feel you deserve it

not to mention dicouraging new artists that have to start somewhere. e621 is a brand website, so of course they would try posting here first. then to be told your a bad artist is kind of discouraging. I even had a artist emailing this two paragraph message thanking me for just liking his art

what I'm getting at is no one want to give out help where there under apppreciated and this site almost entirely depend on others. perhap there should be safety nets for rookies like 30 day time outs until being restored for first offense bad uploading when the person upload limit reached zero.

Mairo said:
This is where it gets to technical level where there needs to be code implemented and rewritten, rather than just change in rules and guidelines. Sites main goal is still to archive furry artwork rather than social features and there has been attempt to make things easier by allowing users to even read comments on deleted posts directly.

Being able to simply edit the file in submission would be insanely much easier for the staff to handle as well, but as things are right now, the submission if tied to files hash and editing file changes the hash.

So if you can hire more coders to the site to do all of these things, even better if they can build things from ground up so we don't have to deal with all of the inconviniences of current software, then sure.

But even after all that talk, in the end it would benefit everyone if everyone did do things correctly from the get go. There has been users who have just lazily been uploading compressed or sample versions of everything and they didn't stop even after several contact attempts, so if there was system where files could simply be replaced, these users wouldn't have anything to worry about as everyone else would then fix after them.

Because in the end, in majority of cases the best available versions are already there and with taking two seconds of thinking instead of just hurrying to upload form helps. Excluding the huge Tumblr situation from year ago, there's really rarely situations where posts from proper sites (read: not furaffinity) are getting replaced.

Yeah, that's been a years-long issue, as well. The whole "we need coders" thing is like a bad joke that just keeps getting resaid. Yet at this point it's been a problem so long that I really don't feel it's a valid excuse any longer. If the owners of the website really wanted to upgrade the site in previously mentioned ways it would have been done by now or, at the very least, been in the works long enough to report on some good progress.

And that's the thing, isn't it? People want to help, they want to do something for a site that hell.. at this point is more than just a porn site, it makes them feel at home. Yet in many cases all they can do is attempt to upload quicker than the mega-uploaders do. That requires cutting corners because unlike the mega-uploaders they aren't super human or don't have bots or scripts to help them out.

SO, yeah. I'm perfectly fine with people not getting pegged for that sorta thing, if we had the replacement-update feature it'd be great, frankly. It'd essentially be like a real life gallery reserving a spot for a piece of work with a placard and a printed out image of the work and then hanging it up later once they had the actual thing.

This mentality of "these people need punished!" only works because we don't have that feature so while we don't it's fine, it works, yet it'd be nice to some day not need to waste administrative time on punishing that sort of thing. It'd be nice if it could just be updated to a better quality image and forgotten about. It'd be nice if, once updated, the updater got the upload point transferred to them or something so that the person that uploaded the inferior version wouldn't be punished per se yet also wouldn't be rewarded.

Yet that's just a bit of dreaming. A bit of "it WOULD be nice." I don't much expect it, though yet that doesn't mean I like the fact that people are punished for it any more however I understand the need for it with the current system.

supermarcopolo said:

...but if you play your cards right for 10 years ,follow our vague and impossible critera of being a good user,we may upgrade you to priviliged. that is if we feel you deserve it

I've only been here for 2 months, flagging an re-uploading posts...

The thing is... (fake statistics ahead) ... 99% of replacement uploads are from people who are doing it wrongly, not people who are getting tagged--years later-- by a better version suddenly becoming available. It's really easy to do it wrong, because places like tumblr do not make it easy for people to get to the largest version available, but once you learn HOW to get the highest version, it's *really easy* because it's just changing part of the URL. (I have an addon that makes getting the right URL painfully simple, but that's not for everyone)

The formula for uploading's pretty simple: For every 10 upload, you get +1 upload limit. For every 4 deletions, you get -1 upload limit.

So, you'd need to have basically half of everything you ever upload deleted in order to run out of upload.

and in the event that you are YiffArtist2001's biggest fan and exclusively upload everything they upload... then 1 year later, at christmas they decide to release higher quality versions of everything they've made before, and suddenly, your upload tanks because someone uploaded everything before you got to it... I am pretty sure that the staff would say, if messaged politely "yeah, that's not your fault" and help you out.

The penalty is meant to discourage bad behavior. If someone is being penalized for things beyond their control (ie, "I've been uploading as they release art, but they released as hi res pack last week! and I cna't upload any more") then the staff will fix it.

As for ""we need coders" thing.. There is MILES of difference between "I am learning how to code and am making a utility" and "I am ready willing and able to work on a REALLY big, live, active website" ... I don't think you understand how old or how big e621 is. e6 has been around for a LONG time. It was based on danbooru. Even 6 years ago, it was considered to be a *heavily modified* fork of it. It was SO heavily modified that, at least at the time, the coder renamed the code to be something else. The features added list is huge. e621 is a unique monster and the source code isn't available. I'm sure they're working on things, but I don't think you realize that the dude quietly making an tool to help with uploading is NOT the same as a person capable of modifying the website.

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Nicklo6649 said:
I've only been here for 2 months, flagging an re-uploading posts...

Jan 20, 2010 - I registered my account
July 10, 2010 - My first forum post.
Sept 10, 2010 - my *second* forum post
April 14, 2011 - Promoted to Privileged.
May 13, 2011 - Promoted to Moderator.

It doesn't take long. It just takes being a good and productive member of the website.

SnowWolf said:
As for ""we need coders" thing.. There is MILES of difference between "I am learning how to code and am making a utility" and "I am ready willing and able to work on a REALLY big, live, active website" ... I don't think you understand how old or how big e621 is. e6 has been around for a LONG time. It was based on danbooru. Even 6 years ago, it was considered to be a *heavily modified* fork of it. It was SO heavily modified that, at least at the time, the coder renamed the code to be something else. The features added list is huge. e621 is a unique monster and the source code isn't available. I'm sure they're working on things, but I don't think you realize that the dude quietly making an tool to help with uploading is NOT the same as a person capable of modifying the website.

That doesn't take from the fact that if the owners wanted to change the site in a given way they would have done so by now. There are literally whole websites dedicated to people that do this sorta stuff bidding on jobs. There are whole firms that would be happy to work with them. They could have learned all there is to know about coding this website in the amount of time they've not changed it. If the owners wanted to change it they'd have done so.

It's very clear they don't. Why? I mean people've wanted to be able to update instead of having to re-post posts for ages now. But if we did that we couldn't arbitrarily punish people for a ridiculous reason any longer.

As for the promotions and stuff? I dunno. Seems like you've gotta put in an unhealthy amount of effort to get a promotion or have some sort of bot/script to help you or both. Like only a tiny number of people actually gettin' paid to be here, most of what makes this place as great as it is is volunteers that essentially put in enough effort and time to make this a full-time job that not only doesn't pay but actively expects more from them the more they do.

Still, like, the whole reason the punishment system makes any sense currently is because posts have to be deleted instead of updated. Updating would just be better all around. It wouldn't defeat/circumvent the vote system or comment system, it'd make tagging less of a hassle because you wouldn't have to rip tags or type them in yourself. It'd just be both immensely more convenient and user friendly and instead of punishing people we could just transfer the upload credit to the person that uploads the updated version.

That way only things that actually deserve to get deleted such as bad quality stuff and DNP stuff are the things that get deleted. Frankly I'd be game to see the number of deletions go down and the number of people that require admin/mod attention to stop "bad uploads" go down, too.

It's just a system that would solve a lot of problems and ease the workload for all staff that involve themselves in the previously mentioned activities. With this system uploading this way wouldn't be so much bad behavior it'd be more like post number reserving. I mean once they figured out that their good deed wasn't actually getting counted I feel they'd probably want to learn why... as opposed to being punished for doing what they thought was a good deed which just puts people off to helping entirely.

AnotherDay said:
That doesn't take from the fact that if the owners wanted to change the site in a given way they would have done so by now. There are literally whole websites dedicated to people that do this sorta stuff bidding on jobs. There are whole firms that would be happy to work with them. They could have learned all there is to know about coding this website in the amount of time they've not changed it. If the owners wanted to change it they'd have done so.

You have no idea how expensive it is to run e621 as is. The only reason this page has existed beyond 2010 is that Varka decided to host it out of Bad Dragon's pockets. We're not keeping the page "old" because we like punishing people, we're hard strapped to update the page because it's labor intensive and expensive to hire people for it. e621 is not a high priority venture of Bad Dragon, and never has been, thus it gets treated as such.

AnotherDay said:
It's very clear they don't. Why? I mean people've wanted to be able to update instead of having to re-post posts for ages now. But if we did that we couldn't arbitrarily punish people for a ridiculous reason any longer.

The ridiculous reason being what? That we slap people on the proverbial fingers for doing something that another person needs to clean up?
You're arguing that we should be happy someone donated a soggy book with half the pages no longer being legible, because this way "it's already in the database".

AnotherDay said:
As for the promotions and stuff? I dunno. Seems like you've gotta put in an unhealthy amount of effort to get a promotion or have some sort of bot/script to help you or both. Like only a tiny number of people actually gettin' paid to be here, most of what makes this place as great as it is is volunteers that essentially put in enough effort and time to make this a full-time job that not only doesn't pay but actively expects more from them the more they do.

Promotions give access to tools that might require us to roll back to an earlier back up because we'd no longer be able to easily fix it. The benefits of promotions are also only worthwhile for people that actually do things like go on massive tagging sprees. There is literally no benefit in being a contributor or privileged for a "normal" user that is simply here to favorite, look at stuff, and comment.

How many people do you think actually hit 100 tag edits an hour? The answer is barely nobody.
Locking ratings on posts is another thing, why should that power be in the hands of someone we don't trust to know our rating system?
Again, GameManiac is the best example here of someone who only did things to increase a personal counter so he could flaunt it. What most people didn't realize was that that number has just been inflated without any regard to quality. He actually abused his user level to do that, and we're still reaping the rewards and fit tagging errors we have to fix manually.

AnotherDay said:
Still, like, the whole reason the punishment system makes any sense currently is because posts have to be deleted instead of updated. Updating would just be better all around. It wouldn't defeat/circumvent the vote system or comment system, it'd make tagging less of a hassle because you wouldn't have to rip tags or type them in yourself. It'd just be both immensely more convenient and user friendly and instead of punishing people we could just transfer the upload credit to the person that uploads the updated version.

That way only things that actually deserve to get deleted such as bad quality stuff and DNP stuff are the things that get deleted. Frankly I'd be game to see the number of deletions go down and the number of people that require admin/mod attention to stop "bad uploads" go down, too.

It's just a system that would solve a lot of problems and ease the workload for all staff that involve themselves in the previously mentioned activities. With this system uploading this way wouldn't be so much bad behavior it'd be more like post number reserving. I mean once they figured out that their good deed wasn't actually getting counted I feel they'd probably want to learn why... as opposed to being punished for doing what they thought was a good deed which just puts people off to helping entirely.

The staff involvement would still stay the same, because we'd have to approve that it actually is an improvement over the existing post. The only benefit would be for the end user, and honestly I'd like having that alone. You'd also still have people come whining to the staff that "someone stole their upload". The people that actually do upload the better versions are already treated like they're the devil by a lot of other users. I'd rather they get more recognition for doing something properly than having to give recognition to someone that apparently doesn't.

Beyond all that I fully trust Kira's assessment of what parts of e621 need to be higher prioritized than just small QOL improvements. Preserving comments or votes (or even favorites) aren't exactly critical portions to keep the page running. But also, if you're willing to volunteer your coding expertise (Ruby, Rails, postgreSQL, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and/or PHP?) we're still looking for volunteers.

Relatable, but some users have the image "deleted" as their avatars for this reason...

I mean, it's a big hassle for a user to get an avatar and call it a day, and the next time they log in, it's gone, deleted for being "inferior".

To make it short, why not merge/redirect the images to the better image, like how they do it on Derpibooru?

AlexYorim said:
Relatable, but some users have the image "deleted" as their avatars for this reason...

I mean, it's a big hassle for a user to get an avatar and call it a day, and the next time they log in, it's gone, deleted for being "inferior".

To make it short, why not merge/redirect the images to the better image, like how they do it on Derpibooru?

I believe it automatically sets the new and higher quality post as your avatar, once the other has been deleted.

As NotMeNotYou said, coding isn’t the easiest thing right now, due to budget and how many there’s actually doing it, and while I don’t know much about code, i can imagine that making it so that images merge/redirect isn’t the easiest.

AlexYorim said:
Relatable, but some users have the image "deleted" as their avatars for this reason...

I mean, it's a big hassle for a user to get an avatar and call it a day, and the next time they log in, it's gone, deleted for being "inferior".

To make it short, why not merge/redirect the images to the better image, like how they do it on Derpibooru?

make a feature request thread then

Back because my post limit dipped into the negatives again due to past uploads before a post limit based on successful posts was even a thing. I've been pretty responsibly uploading ever since the whole tumblr thing was explained to me but if this keeps happening? Well, what's the point?

This the....second or third time it's happened? The first time the admins didn't get back to me for days so y'know what. Think I'm done uploading. I'll just browse 8/

SilkywereRedux said:
Back because my post limit dipped into the negatives again due to past uploads before a post limit based on successful posts was even a thing.

That post upload limit has been a thing since the beginning of e621 back in 2007.

However, I increased your limit to 15 again.

Let me put it to you in simple terms. You are uploading to a picture library where it's pretty much a battle to get the best picture possible. At some point for many situations even if it's not our fault the picture was taken down, we all end up getting something from our collection deleted, but you can make it easier on yourself by making sure it's the best picture possible to upload.
I'm looking at your deleted posts and I see, there is a lesson you are not learning, because it's non-stop all the way down the line, "Inferior version/duplicate of post". You are making it WAY too easy for uploaders to build off your mistakes.

Jinx_Jackal said:
Let me put it to you in simple terms. You are uploading to a picture library where it's pretty much a battle to get the best picture possible. At some point for many situations even if it's not our fault the picture was taken down, we all end up getting something from our collection deleted, but you can make it easier on yourself by making sure it's the best picture possible to upload.
I'm looking at your deleted posts and I see, there is a lesson you are not learning, because it's non-stop all the way down the line, "Inferior version/duplicate of post". You are making it WAY too easy for uploaders to build off your mistakes.

Looking at their deleted posts, this is still hit of the tumblr raw situation which wasn't given to anyones attention until like one year ago.

But then again, many of these uploads have been here for couple years, so after seeing that people are replacing your own uploads, you can take the action in your own hands and manage your own past uploads - like many did and tried to inform others of. Everyone is still responsible for their own uploads. Last couple days there has been user replacing many of their own posts, because they saw artist releasing HD package.

user:USERNAME bvas is good way to start as many users and staff will tag your uploads with this if it needs replacing. With tumblr, going trough user:USERNAME source:tumblr width:1280 and user:USERNAME source:tumblr height:1920 is good idea and if you have been troughout enough with your uploads, even just checking user:USERNAME source:tumblr*_1280. is most likely good idea.

Jinx_Jackal said:
Let me put it to you in simple terms. You are uploading to a picture library where it's pretty much a battle to get the best picture possible. At some point for many situations even if it's not our fault the picture was taken down, we all end up getting something from our collection deleted, but you can make it easier on yourself by making sure it's the best picture possible to upload.
I'm looking at your deleted posts and I see, there is a lesson you are not learning, because it's non-stop all the way down the line, "Inferior version/duplicate of post". You are making it WAY too easy for uploaders to build off your mistakes.

Again, I only recently learned about the tumblr raw thing. Which, as Mario said, was only brought to sitewide attention a year ago and I've been here for? 6-7 years now? Been uploading as much as I could since then too. So most of those aren't really my fault, I feel? To my knowledge, I was getting the best pictures I could, NOT being "careless". But, people seemed to always find something better either the next day, month, even years down the line so hey.

I don't stay on artist. If I see a pic that might be neat to put here I try and find the best version I can and put it there. If the artist releases an HD package and I don't know about it, that isn't my fault. I don't follow these artists.

Really just seems like this system needs to be reworked. But, as a non-uploader, I'll let you all figure that out.

SilkywereRedux said:
Again, I only recently learned about the tumblr raw thing. Which, as Mario said, was only brought to sitewide attention a year ago and I've been here for? 6-7 years now? Been uploading as much as I could since then too. So most of those aren't really my fault, I feel? To my knowledge, I was getting the best pictures I could, NOT being "careless". But, people seemed to always find something better either the next day, month, even years down the line so hey.

I don't stay on artist. If I see a pic that might be neat to put here I try and find the best version I can and put it there. If the artist releases an HD package and I don't know about it, that isn't my fault. I don't follow these artists.

Really just seems like this system needs to be reworked. But, as a non-uploader, I'll let you all figure that out.

If you want some good quality pictures, go for Drachenmagier's works.

Appreciate it, whichever mod fixed my post count. Kinda pointless though, it's just going to drop again.

It's at 14 now as we speak and I haven't uploaded anything in a month lol

SilkywereRedux said:
Again, I only recently learned about the tumblr raw thing. Which, as Mario said, was only brought to sitewide attention a year ago and I've been here for? 6-7 years now? Been uploading as much as I could since then too. So most of those aren't really my fault, I feel? To my knowledge, I was getting the best pictures I could, NOT being "careless". But, people seemed to always find something better either the next day, month, even years down the line so hey.

I don't stay on artist. If I see a pic that might be neat to put here I try and find the best version I can and put it there. If the artist releases an HD package and I don't know about it, that isn't my fault. I don't follow these artists.

Really just seems like this system needs to be reworked. But, as a non-uploader, I'll let you all figure that out.

Think of it this way. We have rules. You 'broke' the rule by uploading a smaller version than the maximum. you didn't get in trouble for it, you just got a tiny ding on your account and moved on.

You have gotten this warning over 300 times.

300 times you've been told "you should upload bigger versions" ... the tumblr things only been known about for a year, yet you've had pictures that were replaced 3 years ago--before we knew about the tumblr thing, so it's not just 'the tumblr thing'.

But you've received LOTS of warnings about this. and when you said that you ran out of uploads, you were given more uploads.

Honey. I don't see how you're being 'punished' here. You don't have a negative record on your account. you've been told some 300 times to uplaod bigger picturres, and have a fresh,. new, shiney upload limit that is bigger than a new account would start with. and this is not once, not twice, but the THIRD time this has happened.

I honestly feel like the site is being very kind to you.

I use an image-magnification extension that, on most websites, can get you the highest quality image available *on that website* (ie, tumblr)... if you would like this, let me know and I can walk you through it. otherwise, there's a guide somewhere--probably linked in this thread'' on how to get the highest quality versions from each website.

SnowWolf said:
Think of it this way. We have rules. You 'broke' the rule by uploading a smaller version than the maximum. you didn't get in trouble for it, you just got a tiny ding on your account and moved on.

You have gotten this warning over 300 times.

300 times you've been told "you should upload bigger versions" ... the tumblr things only been known about for a year, yet you've had pictures that were replaced 3 years ago--before we knew about the tumblr thing, so it's not just 'the tumblr thing'.

But you've received LOTS of warnings about this. and when you said that you ran out of uploads, you were given more uploads.

Honey. I don't see how you're being 'punished' here. You don't have a negative record on your account. you've been told some 300 times to uplaod bigger picturres, and have a fresh,. new, shiney upload limit that is bigger than a new account would start with. and this is not once, not twice, but the THIRD time this has happened.

I honestly feel like the site is being very kind to you.

I use an image-magnification extension that, on most websites, can get you the highest quality image available *on that website* (ie, tumblr)... if you would like this, let me know and I can walk you through it. otherwise, there's a guide somewhere--probably linked in this thread'' on how to get the highest quality versions from each website.

Yep. And 300 times I've tried to find best versions. I've uploaded what I thought were the biggest available. On occasion I've flagged those myself and re-uploaded when I found out that wasn't the case. Most of my pictures COME from tumblr, so yeah it WAS mostly 'the tumblr thing'. I've only JUST recently gone to FA, I rarely go on dA, most of my findings are tumblr sourced.

But I'm not going to argue with you, former staff member. I said I was no longer uploading, so this won't be an issue for you or any *current* staff member. I still feel the system could do with a rework, but since that would ultimately not affect me either, it's not my concern.

I've said my piece. Have a nice day, everyone.

SilkywereRedux said:
Yep. And 300 times I've tried to find best versions. I've uploaded what I thought were the biggest available. On occasion I've flagged those myself and re-uploaded when I found out that wasn't the case. Most of my pictures COME from tumblr, so yeah it WAS mostly 'the tumblr thing'. I've only JUST recently gone to FA, I rarely go on dA, most of my findings are tumblr sourced.

But I'm not going to argue with you, former staff member. I said I was no longer uploading, so this won't be an issue for you or any *current* staff member. I still feel the system could do with a rework, but since that would ultimately not affect me either, it's not my concern.

I've said my piece. Have a nice day, everyone.

more my point is, you're complaining about how unfair it is when I think we've tried really hard to be fair.

I['m sorry you're not interested in uploading any more, but we there are several peopel in this thread who have provided information about how to get the best versions possible. Anyone would happily give you the information to 'do better,' to answer questions and help you. the way to get the best tumblr versions is literally already typed out on this exact page.... But we can't force you to do it, y'know?

and no one is telling you you can't upload any more, or that you're bad or wrong.

just... we're trying out bed to lead a horse to waterm but we can't make ya drink y'know?

Not enough coders? What a sorry excuse. No budget? Bitch please. To other people reading this, save artwork yourself. Don't rely on it being here because you never know when it's going to disappear.

Looking over this thread, I would like to make a few statements.

To start, image resolution isn't a single determining factor in the overall quality of an image. This philosophy is even within contradiction of the quality guidelines, which lists multiple factors that adhere to a post's quality. Say a hi_res post also has an absurd_res post uploaded later on. Just because the hi_res version is no inferior does not mean the post is of poor quality. It simply means the post is no longer the best quality version available. In short, having a version of an image that is of higher quality does not automatically make inferior version poor in quality.

Secondly, the flag inferior/duplicate post exist to prevent redundancy. There doesn't need to be 15 versions of the same exact image on the site; instead, all inferior versions are deleted since there is no reason for them to remain on the site. In the case on of your posts is deleted because of such a flag, if you are often uploading and are making an effort to find the highest quality version of an image, then it should be no issue for you to make such a deletion obsolete. This system is designed to reward frequent uploaders who stay on top of image quality. If you are no frequently uploading images or are not staying on top of quality, then a minor infraction would be fairly appropriate.

As stated multiple times before, sometimes a higher quality version will be uploaded AFTER the lower quality version has already been posted and approved on e621. Such a situation is out of the poster's control and in such a scenario an infraction would be unfair. I don't believe this warrants the removal of the flag all together, but making it so that if an image has remained on the site for a certain amount of days AND has been approved then an infraction should not be necessary. Of course, there may be situations in the case of this artist but adding such a system could not account for those without approvers having to check upload dates off-site. Of course, such a circumstance could be avoided by delaying the upload of the image onto e621 and waiting to see if a higher quality version is uploaded. I also severely doubt that an artist would create higher quality versions of their pieces well after the originals were posted when they could be working on other pieces and projects.

At the end of the day though, this decision is up to the admins. How the infraction system is regulated and enforced is entirely up to them.

dextrous said:
Not enough coders? What a sorry excuse. No budget? Bitch please. To other people reading this, save artwork yourself. Don't rely on it being here because you never know when it's going to disappear.

That's true, always keep a local copy if you really like something.
When the Internet goes down (global nuclear war, alien invasion) you'll still have your furporn to fap to. If you have a color printer, you can exchange furry porn prints for food, medicine and ammunition.

Munkelzahn said:
That's true, always keep a local copy if you really like something.
When the Internet goes down (global nuclear war, alien invasion) you'll still have your furporn to fap to. If you have a color printer, you can exchange furry porn prints for food, medicine and ammunition.

Would one even have time to fap to porn in such a scenario?

Mysti151 said:
As stated multiple times before, sometimes a higher quality version will be uploaded AFTER the lower quality version has already been posted and approved on e621. Such a situation is out of the poster's control and in such a scenario an infraction would be unfair.

The problem is in a vast majority of casts, the problem is that someone goes to tumblr, right clicks and copies the URL (or saves) and uploads that. This is not the highest quality version, but IS within the posters control.

Just, they don't. Then they say that they didn't know or were never told.

That said, I wonder how hard it would be to make the site's uploader automatically swap the 'bad url' for the 'good url'? But that would probably break the old, pre-change tumblr pages.

....Maybe the site's uploader could pretend to be clippy and say something like "it looks like you're trying to upload from tumblr... You should change the URL like this!"

it's pretty rare that the artist actualyl releases a high res version later.

SnowWolf said:
That said, I wonder how hard it would be to make the site's uploader automatically swap the 'bad url' for the 'good url'? But that would probably break the old, pre-change tumblr pages.

....Maybe the site's uploader could pretend to be clippy and say something like "it looks like you're trying to upload from tumblr... You should change the URL like this!"

I have tried to request this or anything similar to happen, because I'm also getting just sick and tired of constantly handling bad uploads and constantly informing users, but still them getting trough and still there being users saying they weren't informed.

One idea I have been having lately would be to put current upload form as "express" upload form (because last time it was mentioned to change anything more userfriendly and foolproof in form there was mad powerusers), then have new upload form which does have these kind of checks in place (e.g. user trying to upload inkbunnys /screen/ it either warns the uploader or changes it automatically) and would also have added benefit of going trough the upload step-by-step with user aka inkbunny way, that there would be seperate textboxes for genders, species, fetishes, etc. with examples, adding to pool/set and instructions included with every step instead of making user to navigate to wiki with massive wall of text to read.

Munkelzahn said:
That's true, always keep a local copy if you really like something.
When the Internet goes down (global nuclear war, alien invasion) you'll still have your furporn to fap to. If you have a color printer, you can exchange furry porn prints for food, medicine and ammunition.

Except one doesn't even need to go to such time scales to see art disappear. It's a shitty strawman and you're a fucking idiot.

dextrous said:
Except one doesn't even need to go to such time scales to see art disappear. It's a shitty strawman and you're a fucking idiot.

*Watches w/ popcorn* In b4 ban.

SilkywereRedux said:
*Watches w/ popcorn* In b4 ban.

He already got a neutral for that post.

darryus said:
He already got a neutral for that post.

I'm surprised Ratte didn't ban him. That guy(girl?) has been bringing down the banhammer on most of the struck-out names I've seen around lately.

Anyway, there's no reason for that sort of language. It's furry porn site, cool your jets.

SilkywereRedux said:
I'm surprised Ratte didn't ban him. That guy(girl?) has been bringing down the banhammer on most of the struck-out names I've seen around lately.

Anyway, there's no reason for that sort of language. It's furry porn site, cool your jets.

With most rules, we have a neutral warning first, and then the tempban.

Pop pop watching my upload count drop~

SilkywereRedux said:
Pop pop watching my upload count drop~

Moreso than it needs to since you're not doing your own reposts.