So, there are just shy of 5,500 images of Krystal on here. I think once you hit 4 digits, there might be some room for additional refinement. I suggest:

Classic_Krystal:
post #1651828
Just Krystal, regular art style, regular boobs or no boobs.

Chibi_Krystal:
post #1658949
Big head, little body. Maybe Toon_Krystal would be better. There's a lot of this!

Anime_Krystal:
post #1669316
With this manga-esque style. Lots of this, lots of it very good. Very different from other Krystal art & worth looking for on its own.

Stacked_Krystal:
post #1654068
Images that hold true to the more original design but are considerably more generous to the chest. Obviously this could be searched for with 'krystal, huge breasts' but I still think the more voluptuous Krystal is worth a tag.

Rug_Krystal:
post #1650189
wait, what is this doing here? ignore this, move on!

Tribal_Krystal versus Pilot_Krystal
post #1667710 vs post #1673319
Krystal's jungle bikini & her flightsuit are both canon outfits for her, but hard to search for exclusively.

CGI_Krystal:
post #1669811
This is another thing that's really something you're either looking for or you're not. Again, pretty easily searchable on its own, but with 7 pages of results for 'krystal, 3d_(artwork)' it might have earned its own place.

Buff_Krystal:
post #1672649
There's a good bit of this and with the apparent wide range of opinion as to what constitutes a 'muscular_female' it might be worth adding this to help people fund their slutty blue she-hulk.

Broken_Krystal:
post #384604
For people who like their food pre-chewed, this would tag Krystals who have already been fucked into permanent mindless servitude.

Fat Krystal, Pregnant Krystal, Badly Drawn Krystal, Boy Krystal,and Giant Planet Stomping Krystal are all, i feel, random and easy enough to search for on their own - but feel free to disagree.
post #1660494 post #1653522 post #1657395 post #1632311 post #1647826

This is just a quick thought, any refinement will be appreciated

Oh no, we couldn't just use pregnant and krystal in combination, no, we have to use pregnant_krystal.

Yeah these are just searches which can be accomplished with krystal muscular, krystal toony, or other descriptive characteristics. It's incredibly unnecessary to make separate tags for a character that is the same but has some differing minor features

why on earth we would make shitton of special tags for different scenarios and art styles for one single character? that would be a ton of work to maintain esp when people still fail to tag basic things like gender tags and character count tags.
just search for krystal chibi, krystal pregnant etc

For the sake of "Pilot Krystal" images, just add the tag jumpsuit. Krystal jumpsuit should give you them.
We should certainly have a tag for the tribal outfit, but I'm not sure what clothing tags already exist.

Every time there is a new sparkmane thread I die a little more on the inside.

Yeah, hard pass on this one, and I'm a Krystal fanboy. Apparently not as much as some, though.

If the site ever figures out an easy way to represent searches for contextual tags (or subtags, or other tags-what-are-related concepts), both internally to the system and externally to searches, then maybe we'll get those someday.

So I was loking through the tags to help back up my point, and, God damn, I hate how the My Little Pony Fandom takes over everything they get into. I've got nothing against the show, but every major character from it has over 10,000 tags, They've beaten out Sonic the Hedgehog, for God's sake.

Anyway, back in defense of my concept:

Laf & Dice - Searching for 'krystal muscular' will get you any picture where she is being nailed by some jacked-up guy and adding 'solo' will exclude any group images. If you read my post, you'll see that I stated 'Pregnant_Krystal' was something that was easy enough to search for that it would not warrant a special tag.

Gok - As you note, there's not really anything for 'tribal outfit;, so there's no way to distinguish between the two if that is what you're looking for, and not everyone will consider her flight suit a jumpsuit so it won't be reliably tagged. I think 'Pilot_Krystal' and 'Tribal_Krystal' are as legitimate as 'Fire_Mario' and 'Tanuki_Mario'.

NMNY - I am just trying to help improve this community. I like e621 and want to contribute to making it a better place.

Everyone - I know there's a slipper slope sor tof deal about doing this with one character, because where dopes it start? Where does it stop? That's a question that needs to be answered before anything like this should be undertaken. My answer is 5,000 tagged posts - there are only 17 out of 102,256 character tags that meet that. Exceptionally popular characters warrant exceptional treatment. Not just Krystal, though I am surprised how far down the list she was, it was an example. Sonic has earned it, Nick Wilde has earned it, even Twilight Sparkle has apparently earned it. I can't believe Twilight Sparkle pics outnumber Krystal pics 5 to 1.

It's very hard to search for certain things because people can and do tag everything. Matching a tag to a specific character is hard, because if there are multiple characters your search term will apply if your tag is happening to any of them. Reworking the search to make this possible would be a nightmare, but making it possible would be a benefit. An easy compromise is special tags for super-popular characters, so that is all i am suggesting.

Even setting aside the redundancy issues, this is still a maintenance nightmare, and for my part I also strongly disfavor any idea that involves arbitrary thresholds before they "kick in". So Fox McCloud is 10 posts to gaining dozens of new fox_mccloud_* tags? Toriel is 230? Bowser is 726. isabelle_(animal_crossing) has a ways to go at 2000 posts until being divided and conquered, but her recent inclusion into Smash Ultimate seems to have given her legs, I'll bet she threatens to break into the club as well.

It's a maintenance nightmare, not only because it means there's at least "N minus 1" posts that need to be sifted through every time something new crosses whatever threshold "N", but because there's suddenly a new wave of potential implications as well, since "pilot krystal", as an example, should almost certainly implicate Krystal and jumpsuit.

It also begs the next question: At what threshold do we allow the sub-tag? If there are 13 "Krystal can't enjoy her sandwich" images of Krystal on the site (compared with 17 krystal_can't_enjoy_her_sandwich references in total), do we allow sandwich_krystal? What's the arbitrary threshold there? And how does anyone prove it? And who's going to go back and sift through every single post to apply the new name_* or *_name tag properly? You, yourself, call attention to this problem with "rug_krystal".

Then there's the user experience of this scheme, since we usually do name disambiguation via the format "name_(specific)". So who's going to search for "sandwich_krystal" or "fat_krystal" to begin with? Obviously, the names should be "krystal_(sandwich)", "krystal_(fat)", "krystal_(cheese_grater)", etc.

Edit: And then the inevitable cavalcade of aliases to fold together "krystal_(fat)" vs. "krystal_(obese)", "krystal_(overweight)", etc., etc., etc...

-1. The ability to apply multiple tags to a single character would solve this problem in an easier way but that still increases immensely the amount of work that has to go into tagging, and plus the system isn't designed with that in mind.

Instead of additional Krystal tags like broken_stacked_krystal just search for mind_break big_breasts krystal.

ikdind said:
Edit: And then the inevitable cavalcade of aliases to fold together "krystal_(fat)" vs. "krystal_(obese)", "krystal_(overweight)", etc., etc., etc...

It would be even worse if users combined tags. What about a fat anime pilot Krystal? Would we tag her as all things separately, or should this mixed variant get her own tag?

krystal_(fat_anime_pilot)

Sparkmane said:
Searching for 'krystal muscular' will get you any picture where she is being nailed by some jacked-up guy and adding 'solo' will exclude any group images.

krystal muscular_female

Sparkmane said:
NMNY - I am just trying to help improve this community. I like e621 and want to contribute to making it a better place.

By introducing new, ultra-specific tags that only help your own porn searches, and maybe, possibly someone else's searches?

Because as you said yourself:

Sparkmane said:
It's very hard to search for certain things because people can and do tag everything. Matching a tag to a specific character is hard, because if there are multiple characters your search term will apply if your tag is happening to any of them.

Getting false positives in your searches has been the only common factor in every single thread you made so far, and all your "solutions" were to add new tags instead of you improving your searches based on already existing tags. And, of course, the tags you want to make are only applicable to your own searches, not to anything else.

Sparkmane said:
Gok - As you note, there's not really anything for 'tribal outfit;, so there's no way to distinguish between the two if that is what you're looking for, and not everyone will consider her flight suit a jumpsuit so it won't be reliably tagged. I think 'Pilot_Krystal' and 'Tribal_Krystal' are as legitimate as 'Fire_Mario' and 'Tanuki_Mario'.

If there are two well defined outfits that aren't being tagged yet, why not suggest a tag for these outfits instead of suggesting tags for a specific character wearing these specific outfits? This is just another zero_suit or tanuki_suit.

But of course, that would mean we add false positives to your searches again, so that's a bad idea.

All passive-aggressive remarks aside, having tags for both outfits would probably be beneficial, as other characters have worn those as well. Possibly something like tribal_outfit_(krystal) and jumpsuit_(krystal) should be descriptive enough while also being easy enough to remember.

Sparkmane said:
Laf & Dice - Searching for 'krystal muscular' will get you any picture where she is being nailed by some jacked-up guy and adding 'solo' will exclude any group images. If you read my post, you'll see that I stated 'Pregnant_Krystal' was something that was easy enough to search for that it would not warrant a special tag.

wow it's almost as if there are other solutions to this non-existent problem

Sparkmane said:

Everyone - I know there's a slipper slope sor tof deal about doing this with one character, because where dopes it start? Where does it stop? That's a question that needs to be answered before anything like this should be undertaken. My answer is 5,000 tagged posts - there are only 17 out of 102,256 character tags that meet that. Exceptionally popular characters warrant exceptional treatment. Not just Krystal, though I am surprised how far down the list she was, it was an example. Sonic has earned it, Nick Wilde has earned it, even Twilight Sparkle has apparently earned it. I can't believe Twilight Sparkle pics outnumber Krystal pics 5 to 1.

It's very hard to search for certain things because people can and do tag everything. Matching a tag to a specific character is hard, because if there are multiple characters your search term will apply if your tag is happening to any of them. Reworking the search to make this possible would be a nightmare, but making it possible would be a benefit. An easy compromise is special tags for super-popular characters, so that is all i am suggesting.

If Krystal deserves special considerations for tagging because of a dumb, arbitrary number, then I expect you to provide us with full expanded tag list for every other character as they grow in popularity. Here, I'll help provide you with a few: milf_toriel, genderless_renamon, female_goodra, gay_bowser, link_as_anything_that_isnt_a_wolf_but_using_design_elements_from_his_wolf_form, and non-macro_falco.

Clawdragons said:
It would be even worse if users combined tags. What about a fat anime pilot Krystal? Would we tag her as all things separately, or should this mixed variant get her own tag?

krystal_(fat_anime_pilot)

I'm assuming, for the moment, that Sparkmane is proposing only one level of hierarchy, and that multiple tags of the form "krystal_(*)" would be applied. E.g.: krystal_(fat) krystal_(anime) krystal_(pilot) as separate tags instead of the one krystal_(fat_anime_pilot). I have no idea if these would be character-type tags, because "krystal_(*)", or if they'd be general-type tags, because they don't refer to Krystal herself but to things about Krystal.

I mean, look, the real solution to the problem Sparkmane wants to solve is to have real sub-tags: The ability to specify that a tag applies to a specific thing in the image instead of just being somewhere in the image. This is not a new problem, nor is it a new discussion. I've participated in that discussion since "time immemorial", literally longer than the searchable history of these forums. It's a hard problem unless you're willing to live with some ugly constraints, there are UX problems besides, and I don't expect a solution anytime soon.

ikdind said:
I'm assuming, for the moment, that Sparkmane is proposing only one level of hierarchy, and that multiple tags of the form "krystal_(*)" would be applied. E.g.: krystal_(fat) krystal_(anime) krystal_(pilot) as separate tags instead of the one krystal_(fat_anime_pilot). I have no idea if these would be character-type tags, because "krystal_(*)", or if they'd be general-type tags, because they don't refer to Krystal herself but to things about Krystal.

I mean, look, the real solution to the problem Sparkmane wants to solve is to have real sub-tags: The ability to specify that a tag applies to a specific thing in the image instead of just being somewhere in the image. This is not a new problem, nor is it a new discussion. I've participated in that discussion since "time immemorial", literally longer than the searchable history of these forums. It's a hard problem unless you're willing to live with some ugly constraints, there are UX problems besides, and I don't expect a solution anytime soon.

I think I've said before that the best solution to this problem would be the ability to define objects and attach tags to them.

So for instance, if you defined an object for the hypothetical fat pilot krystal image above, the fat, pilot, krystal, fox, female, blue_fur, and so on, would all be attached to the same object, and users would have the capability to require tags belong to the same object when searching with some syntax.

The issues are technical (the site doesn't have the capability to do this currently) and logistical (the amount of effort required to tag old images would be astronomical), so I don't see it getting done any time soon, but, I think if we ever do implement subtags, this would be the best solution nonetheless.

Anyway point being I'm basically agreeing with you.

This is a fairly pointless proposal. The general tags cover all of the scenarios in the original post. Most of them feature fetishes or art styles, which can all be found in the general tags. If people want to see the character in those types of art works, then it's perfectly simple. Just because a character is popular, it doesn't mean they need multiple character tags. Unless it's a completely alternative version of the character, there's no benefit to that. I don't think the admins are going to approve a pretty massive change like that to the site.

TwistedLogik said:
This is a fairly pointless proposal. The general tags cover all of the scenarios in the original post. Most of them feature fetishes or art styles, which can all be found in the general tags. If people want to see the character in those types of art works, then it's perfectly simple. Just because a character is popular, it doesn't mean they need multiple character tags. Unless it's a completely alternative version of the character, there's no benefit to that. I don't think the admins are going to approve a pretty massive change like that to the site.

Welcome to the Sparkmane tag suggestion forum topics. They are... kind of strange.

MissChu said:
Welcome to the Sparkmane tag suggestion forum topics. They are... kind of strange.

each of them seems to cause me headache and heartburn

I've been around for a long time and I promise you.. if 1) the internet had been as prevalent, 2) and as fast, and 3) if drawing on your computer was as easy as it is today, 4) if the generation of young artists had had as many peer-artists around to inspire them... Sonic the hedgehog would have thousands more images. TLK would have tons of art. There are SO MANY furry staples that would have thousands more images if they had come out at a different time.

But they didn't. And even past that, people today don't care about old art. People today aren't uploading all the mountains of TLK fanart that is still floating around the internet. People don't have archives of all the art that was lost when geocities died, or any number of the other web hosts out there packed their bags up.

MLP:FIM first aired.. uh... 8 years ago tomorrow actually. The site itself is only 11 years old. MLP has been the biggest furry-related fandom to pop up in the last decade, and inspired thousands to start drawing and producing art. But if had been 20 years ago, it would have been sonic. or TLK. or something else.

MLP was in the right place at the right time. If you don't like it, black list~ It's an option I didn't have back in the 90's. I just said "ugh, this is all sonic stuff.... I"m not waiting over a minute for each picture to load." and tried to find another website.

(for funsies, zootopia has almot as much as sonic! and more than digimon! ooo.)

Meanwhile, Sonic the hedgehog hasn't really... been a thing in like... ages? I mean , I know games have been released but I've heard that most of them ranged from pretty bad to really awful. (no shade intended, just... It's not as relevant as it once was)

NotMeNotYou said:
All passive-aggressive remarks aside, having tags for both outfits would probably be beneficial, as other characters have worn those as well. Possibly something like tribal_outfit_(krystal) and jumpsuit_(krystal) should be descriptive enough while also being easy enough to remember.

I like the idea of some of those things being tagged. They are technically objects even if they are being worn.

Anyway, Sparkmane.... Might I suggest using sets? :D

SnowWolf said:

Meanwhile, Sonic the hedgehog hasn't really... been a thing in like... ages? I mean , I know games have been released but I've heard that most of them ranged from pretty bad to really awful. (no shade intended, just... It's not as relevant as it once was)

It seems like they might have finally gotten their act together. There's been a few games that are by all accounts pretty good - most notably, Sonic Mania, just recently.

Honestly, I'm just of the opinion that Sonic doesn't work in 3d. His design doesn't translate well to 3d, and neither does his gameplay.

Before anyone gets mad at me for my opinions here, and jumps to defend the Adventure games or some such (I know how this conversation goes), know that I'm pretty biased against 3d games as a whole, and I've got 3d_(artwork) blacklisted. This isn't really even so much about Sonic specifically so much as me just being overly opinionated.