Eyo, a long time ago I used to do some art:

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But I did that exclusively with a mouse and nothing else. Sometimes actual pencils, sometimes tracing over pencil stuff.

I did this because though I had a tablet, my experience with drawing on it was absolutely awful. None of my lines looked right, I couldn't work with it for the life of me. But then, after getting into my current college program I started to work with the in-class tablets. Large things like these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQU5LW7/?tag=thewire06-20&linkCode=xm2&ascsubtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAMJTAAAAABfwEI4AAAAAWiDYCg

I actually managed to draw perfectly fine on it, and produced this:[Image to be added later it's on the USB in my car :(]

So I started looking at that same tablet from my college, which I know works well. BUT that doesn't mean there isn't better stuff, and this whole site is about art so there's bound to be plenty of artist with recommendations.

To clarify, not super concerned with budget. I don't think I'd buy a $600 tablet, but that's moreso that I don't think I'd get the use out of it.

To add to this, I will mention I currently run a 4k monitor (if that is of any concern to which tablet I pick) and I use Paint Tool Sai to make all my stuff (might swap to Kirta because of Sai demanding money from me but still)

I'm not super into the glass-based tablets, ones with huge screens. But maybe that's just an outside perspective thing, I feel like the hand might get in the way a lot and annoy me. BUT I don't know, no expert so pls help me out.

I'm no expert, but I am Interested In This Topic, as I'm considering buying a new tablet since mine is basically a dinosaur that's dead in like 4 different ways.

Wacom is the fancy name brand. Getting the name means paying the price -- but! They're generally considered to be good--last I knew, as of a few years ago. It may still be the same :)

I'm considering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZWRSQ4I/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I26SNFM2NE9OEE&colid=3BQQM0WHF91U5&psc=0 myself.

Would love to see if someone else has recomendations.

(also, that twilight's super cute :D )

Skim these:

https://e621.net/forum/show/198035
https://e621.net/forum/show/217527
https://e621.net/forum/show/184504

Lance_Armstrong said:
Skim these:

Only issue with those is they're slightly old (year ago) and more updated versions have likely come out, driver issues fixed and stuff. Prices changed. Good start but not necessarily up to date.

Huion 580
Personal experience: I've had two of these in a span of 3 years. I liked them and they got the job done. Also, it's at an affordable price. Comes with 8 replaceable pen nubs, and a manual. The downside is it's durability. If you drop it, you better pray the sensor didn't get damaged. Also, it can get damaged from drawing on it too hard. Apparently, I have a heavy hand when drawing...

What I use now
Personal experience: This is basically a more affordable version of a Cintiq, and I prefer these types of displays than the small tablets imo. Colors are vibrant, no lag from the pen, the glass makes the nubs last longer, it comes with a drawing glove, a small rag for cleaning, 16 replaceable nubs, two rechargeable pens, the pen charger, and the back has an adjustable stand so you can work at a good angle. I've had it for about 5 months now, and I've experienced no problems with the drivers. I love this thing. The only downside is that the installation will be confusing at first (well, it was for me) and you have to put everything together. They also give you a mini screwdriver just in case you don't have one.

Another plus, this came out in 2013, so all the complaints from the past have been fixed. I've read those reviews :V

The current small Intuos line (not Intuos Pro) of Wacom is pretty much the same as what I said in an earlier thread. Decent, easily portable, but I'd get a medium since the active area doesn't cover the whole surface. There are marks on the surface to indicate the borders of the active area. They're nice enough, and if you can find refurbished tablets they are profoundly more affordable. I'm still using my Bamboo Create (which is no longer available), still working fine after constant use for over three years, which was purchased refurbished for under half price. The only problem I've had was a frayed cable, but any USB-to-microUSB cable works fine.

Drivers for the low-end tablets (like mine) have been the same for at least two years. They can be kind of jumpy sometimes, but keeping a backup file of your preferences can kick the driver back into working again if it quits. I had a lot more issues with drivers quitting on Windows 7 than I have so far on 10, but that's just my experience.

I have heard nice things about Huion over the past couple years. They're much more affordable than Wacom tablets on average while still giving you most of the same things. I say "most" as Huion tablet pens need to be charged (but the charge lasts a few days) and the pen lacks the eraser found in Wacom pens (which you may not even use-- I certainly don't).

If you want an actual pen display I would first look at Huion instead. The closest equivalent displays I can bring up are:

Cintiq 22HD - ~$1700-$1800 (without touch input)
Huion GT-220 v2 or Kamvas GT-221 Pro ($800 and $900 respectively)

The Huions are just slightly smaller, likely not enough to even really notice, and already nearly $1000 cheaper than the current Wacom equivalent. Both Wacom and Huion offer a standard warranty on their products, Wacom offering a 2-year warranty for the Cintiq line and Huion offering a standard 1-year warranty on everything. Wacom warranties vary by model, but I don't think I've seen them out of the range of 1-2 years.

Something you might want to consider is if you want to actually look down where your hand is while drawing. Working without looking at your hand means relying a lot on you hand-eye coordination and muscle memory, and for some that can be a huge asspain. If you would like to do this, I would stick with a proper pen display. If you're fine without that, or you're just trying out digital work, a low-end Huion (or even Wacom) would be fine. Some Wacom tablets come with free art software serials to help you get started, including refurbished tablets, if you poke around. Both the Intuos Art and Intuos 3D come with free art software.

Just keep in mind that any decent tablet and any basic art software is plenty for making good art. A lot of people think they need Wacom's shmanciest pen display and only the finest of whatever shiteration of Adobugh Potatochop to make anything worthwhile then that really isn't the case at all.

_{...I so badly want a Kamvas GT-191 I could cry. Being able to look where I'm drawing again would be amazing.}

TheHuskyK9 said:
whole lotta stuff

Hmmmm,

As for the first one, 8 inches seems too small for me lol I liked the ones at the college a lot because they were big and had tons of room to work with. This also helps with high res monitors.

For the second one, that's almost identical price to the one I linked originally (no glass screen)

19 inches, but I'm concerned about what you mentioned "rechargeable pens" I didn't know any tablet pens needed to be charged. How long do those batteries last? That seems kinda tedious.

But for $400~ish dollars, 19 inches of glass display does sound tempting... Hm. My only concern would be durability, how easy would it be to crack the glass and do they provide a case to carry the thing around in?

Ratte said:
_{...I so badly want a Kamvas GT-191 I could cry. Being able to look where I'm drawing again would be amazing.}

oh you draw on this thing?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/c26-B005HGBEZ2-1-l.jpg

I had one once, really didn't like it. So clunky.

But with 2 people recommending Huion, and husky's recommendation falling right on the price I was planning to spend on the one from the college I saw, might just go for that. I can see why doing eye/hand contact with your drawing might be beneficial. The only concern I have now is how fragile it might be, and if I can get a reasonable carrying method for it. ESPECIALLY if it's glass.

Cynosure said:
oh you draw on this thing?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/c26-B005HGBEZ2-1-l.jpg

I had one once, really didn't like it. So clunky.

But with 2 people recommending Huion, and husky's recommendation falling right on the price I was planning to spend on the one from the college I saw, might just go for that. I can see why doing eye/hand contact with your drawing might be beneficial. The only concern I have now is how fragile it might be, and if I can get a reasonable carrying method for it. ESPECIALLY if it's glass.

Yes. I needed to replace my Bamboo Fun Pen and Touch back in 2014 and the Create was on sale for $90 as a refurbish instead of the usual $200.

It "can" be beneficial, but I have found that it has really fucked with my perception when going between digital and traditional work as I have to "relearn" both mediums. I draw with my tablet on my lap instead of on a desk as I lack a desk entirely, so it's really weird to not look where I'm working and I end up fucking up lines a lot more often than I do with traditional work, because I'm going by sight instead of purely by feel and prayers.

"Clunky" would be how I'd describe my Intuos4 XL. It's just too goddamn big to work with for me as the active area is larger than even my current laptop. :|

I have an Intuos Art. It's a small tablet, good for travelling. Don't use it much tho cuz I cringe every time I draw something ._.

Cynosure said:
Hmmmm,

As for the first one, 8 inches seems too small for me lol I liked the ones at the college a lot because they were big and had tons of room to work with. This also helps with high res monitors.

For the second one, that's almost identical price to the one I linked originally (no glass screen)

19 inches, but I'm concerned about what you mentioned "rechargeable pens" I didn't know any tablet pens needed to be charged. How long do those batteries last? That seems kinda tedious.

But for $400~ish dollars, 19 inches of glass display does sound tempting... Hm. My only concern would be durability, how easy would it be to crack the glass and do they provide a case to carry the thing around in?

The pens last for a good while. For constant use, I'd say they last about 4-6 days per charge, as a rough estimate.

Unfortunately, it does not come with a case. Although, I don't think you'd want to lug it around too much. The materials are premium so it's got some weight to it. It's pretty sturdy and stable from what I can conclude.

Oh, and update on my first post. Apparently, they aren't giving out the drawing glove for free anymore. I must've got it when they were doing a promotional thing or something. It's $10 :V

Ratte said:
_{...I so badly want a Kamvas GT-191 I could cry. Being able to look where I'm drawing again would be amazing.}

It is the good stuff. You can literally feel the difference between looking away and looking directly. Now I just gotta find out how to adjust the brightness. I'd be straining my eyes staring straight into a bright screen for 30 mins non-stop

TheHuskyK9 said:
It is the good stuff. You can literally feel the difference between looking away and looking directly. Now I just gotta find out how to adjust the brightness. I'd be straining my eyes staring straight into a bright screen for 30 mins non-stop

I would absolutely love to be able to look where I work again like I could with traditional art, but it'll be a long while before I can afford it. Replacing my laptop this summer was enough for this year's "big expenditures" I think. ):

What do we think of something like this?

https://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-new-chromebook-plus-smart-move-keeps-it-competitive

https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/14/samsung-chromebook-plus-v2-intel-upgrade/

All new Chromebooks now support Android apps, which are what I assume you are using on your Chinese drawing tablets.

In addition, ChromeOS will now support Linux applications in some kind of a sandbox. However, only a handful of models are supported right now. That includes the previous version of Samsung's Chromebook Plus, but not the new one linked above yet.

So for a few hundred bucks, you can get something that can work as a 12+ inch drawing tablet running Android apps, but you also get a standard laptop keyboard. With Linux support built-in, you are no longer constrained to working using web apps or Android, and don't need to bypass security to install another Linux distro on it.

Disadvantages: The screen or pen may not be as good as dedicated drawing tablets. Maybe you have to buy software that would normally come with a Wacom, Huion, etc. Most of these laptops have smaller bezels than the ones I see on the Wacom and Huion tablets, which may make it harder to hold. Depending on how well the Android/Linux support works, you may want more than 4 GB of RAM, which will affect the price. Internal storage of Chromebooks is still low, usually at 32 GB.

Hey there!

XP-PEN is a Quality alternative manufacturer of drawing tablets to wacom , often offering lower prices.

I´m using a XP-PEN Innovator 16 https://www.xp-pen.com/product/638.html drawing tablet with display 16" . I owned a Wacom Intuos 4 before, but since I had problems with hand eye coordination while drawing on a normal graphics tablet , I bought a screen tablet. The difference for me is huge and I did improve a lot since I got the screen tab, since I´m less frustrated and draw/practice more and am faster now.

cool tnx for recommendation, I'm looking for new tablet too

Not sure about this, but would tablets like Samsung Galaxy Tab with Pen be a good substitute for the conventional tablets like Wacom and Huion? I mean, I've been using a tablet (I'm using a budget-friendly Galaxy Tab A with S Pen) which I had converted to a digitizer for two years by using an app such as VirtualTablet, and it comes off pretty decent.

alexyorim said:
Not sure about this, but would tablets like Samsung Galaxy Tab with Pen be a good substitute for the conventional tablets like Wacom and Huion? I mean, I've been using a tablet (I'm using a budget-friendly Galaxy Tab A with S Pen) which I had converted to a digitizer for two years by using an app such as VirtualTablet, and it comes off pretty decent.

Worst case scenario, you end up with a normal Android tablet that you can use for media consumption, stick on a wall, whatever.

I would also research the styluses. There was an attempt to make a universal standard.

snowwolf said:
I'm no expert, but I am Interested In This Topic, as I'm considering buying a new tablet since mine is basically a dinosaur that's dead in like 4 different ways.

Wacom is the fancy name brand. Getting the name means paying the price -- but! They're generally considered to be good--last I knew, as of a few years ago. It may still be the same :)

I'm considering https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZWRSQ4I/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I26SNFM2NE9OEE&colid=3BQQM0WHF91U5&psc=0 myself.

Would love to see if someone else has recomendations.

(also, that twilight's super cute :D )