I've gone through the invalid_tag aliases for lack of better things to do and I've looked at a few that I think should be either re-validated or aliased to something else.

Various artists have been removed by their request. I think their names should be aliased to something besides 'invalid_tag' so it's less confusing. Maybe 'invalid_artist_name' would work, or artist_requests_anonymity.

As a caveat to the first concern I could go for 'g-rated_chest' and 'g-rated_crotch' as tags, since they're mpre specifically referring to the area lacking the thing than the thing the area is lacking and it would lead to less confusion, but I think they're clunky tags.

cartoon - alias this to 'toony' so it refers to a particular art style

commission - I don't think this is a pointless tag. Knowing the source AND that someone paid to have this made would be a good line of advertising for the artists whom we so humbly borrow images from.

drawn - I'm not too concerned about this, but it would be good to have a tag that differentiates drawn art from CGI or 3D modeling or watercolors or flash or whatever. I guess, though, 'drawn' is pretty default so there's only a need to tag it if it's some other kind of art.

first_time - this is a fetish for a lot of people, so as long as it is well-applied it should be allowed

fursona - this is listed as 'pointless', but someone's fursona is different than regular furry characters. It is nice to go through and see that this is how someone sees themselves - though admittedly it could be hard to decipher this just by looking at the image.

horror - there are plenty of images on here drawn to invoke horror. Some people might want to get spooked!

genderfluid - I think there is room for this tag. It's not the same thing as ambiguous_gender - it's more of a lifestyle choice than simpley not having titties on screen.

hasbro - this is a trademark that owns a lot of intellectual properites that people here like to draw pictures of.

no_bra - this is a good tag. If you can see the girl's tits free-ranging under her shirt, no_bra is appropriate. A lot of people would want to look for this. It needs a good woki page - maybe changing it to 'not_wearing_bra' would help, but it would still confuse people who jump at 'lack of' tags. Maybe 'braless'? At any rate, a shirt with no bra is a common fetish.

no_anus / no_pussy / no_penis / no_nipples - It's easy to view these tags along the lines of 'no_coconuts'; why go through and tag every image with things that are NOT in it, right? That's not what these particular sorts of tags are used for, though. People use them when you are seeing an image that anatomically SHOULD have one of these parts, but does not. A topless female with smooth breasts would be fairly tagged as 'no_nipples', for example. These tags should be brought back with good Wiki entries - someone has recently been on the forums asking about exactly this & I think they have a point.

panel/panels - should be aliased to 'comic' instead of just invalidated

paywall - this tag should not so much be valid, but flagged in a different way. If this art is from behind a paywall it's probably DNP and the mods need to hop on it quickly.

pervert - this is a good tag for a peeping tom or other horny creep. Again, some people want to see that kind of image. Needs a wiki.

tail - I get that arms and legs and skin (who the hell ever tagged 'skin') are too obvious to bother addings, but not everyone has a tail. Sometimes maybe you don't want to see someone with a tail - or maybe you don't want to see someone without one! As 'no_tail' would fall under the lack_of sort of tags people would not like it, and I understand 'tail' would hit a lot of images here, but there needs to be some way to differentiaate between people who have tails and those who do not.

transgender - why is this a bad tag? It's not the same thing as 'intersex', which is more of a physical thing. 'transgender' is a mental thing, an identity of ones self. Exactly how it is apparent from an image may be questionable, as a girly boy forced to dress as a maid isn't exactly transgender, but I think it's a very important identity issue for a lot of people & should be allowed where appropriate.

whore - not really slut/slutty/bimbo as in the reasoning it was invalidated. it should be aliased to 'prostitute'.

As a caveat to the first concern I could go for 'g-rated_chest' and 'g-rated_crotch' as tags, since they're mpre specifically referring to the area lacking the thing than the thing the area is lacking and it would lead to less confusion, but I think they're clunky tags.

rating:s -clothing

cartoon - alias this to 'toony' so it refers to a particular art style

Would get invalidly tagged to stuff like thunder_cats.

commission - I don't think this is a pointless tag. Knowing the source AND that someone paid to have this made would be a good line of advertising for the artists whom we so humbly borrow images from.

Irrelevant to the image.

drawn - I'm not too concerned about this, but it would be good to have a tag that differentiates drawn art from CGI or 3D modeling or watercolors or flash or whatever. I guess, though, 'drawn' is pretty default so there's only a need to tag it if it's some other kind of art.

-3d_(artwork)

first_time - this is a fetish for a lot of people, so as long as it is well-applied it should be allowed

How do we know it is first time?

fursona - this is listed as 'pointless', but someone's fursona is different than regular furry characters. It is nice to go through and see that this is how someone sees themselves - though admittedly it could be hard to decipher this just by looking at the image.

Just as it says on the tin, pointless tag. Would be tagged on a ton of art and no one would search for it.

horror - there are plenty of images on here drawn to invoke horror. Some people might want to get spooked!

nightmare_fuel. Ambiguous to if a character is scared or the image is scary.

genderfluid - I think there is room for this tag. It's not the same thing as ambiguous_gender - it's more of a lifestyle choice than simpley not having titties on screen.

No. See e621:tag_what_you_see_(explained).

hasbro - this is a trademark that owns a lot of intellectual properites that people here like to draw pictures of.

Possibly, Not entirely sure about this.

no_bra - this is a good tag. If you can see the girl's tits free-ranging under her shirt, no_bra is appropriate. A lot of people would want to look for this. It needs a good woki page - maybe changing it to 'not_wearing_bra' would help, but it would still confuse people who jump at 'lack of' tags. Maybe 'braless'? At any rate, a shirt with no bra is a common fetish.

-bra

no_anus / no_pussy / no_penis / no_nipples - It's easy to view these tags along the lines of 'no_coconuts'; why go through and tag every image with things that are NOT in it, right? That's not what these particular sorts of tags are used for, though. People use them when you are seeing an image that anatomically SHOULD have one of these parts, but does not. A topless female with smooth breasts would be fairly tagged as 'no_nipples', for example. These tags should be brought back with good Wiki entries - someone has recently been on the forums asking about exactly this & I think they have a point.

rating:s

panel/panels - should be aliased to 'comic' instead of just invalidated

Comics sometimes do not have panels.

paywall - this tag should not so much be valid, but flagged in a different way. If this art is from behind a paywall it's probably DNP and the mods need to hop on it quickly.

Not all paywall content is DNP. Sometimes it is censored images. People would abuse this tag.

pervert - this is a good tag for a peeping tom or other horny creep. Again, some people want to see that kind of image. Needs a wiki.

See voyeurism for this. A "pervert" tag would be abused.

tail - I get that arms and legs and skin (who the hell ever tagged 'skin') are too obvious to bother addings, but not everyone has a tail. Sometimes maybe you don't want to see someone with a tail - or maybe you don't want to see someone without one! As 'no_tail' would fall under the lack_of sort of tags people would not like it, and I understand 'tail' would hit a lot of images here, but there needs to be some way to differentiaate between people who have tails and those who do not.

Majority of the images here have tails.

transgender - why is this a bad tag? It's not the same thing as 'intersex', which is more of a physical thing. 'transgender' is a mental thing, an identity of ones self. Exactly how it is apparent from an image may be questionable, as a girly boy forced to dress as a maid isn't exactly transgender, but I think it's a very important identity issue for a lot of people & should be allowed where appropriate.

No. See e621:tag_what_you_see_(explained).

whore - not really slut/slutty/bimbo as in the reasoning it was invalidated. it should be aliased to 'prostitute'.

Tag would be used as an abusive tag.

The only valid point brought up imho is Hasbro. I wouldn't mind it being a copyright tag to look for specific things Hasbro has created.

Didn't Hasbro get invalidated because the overwhelming majority of posts directly relating to them are My Little Pony ones?

BooruHitomi said:
Didn't Hasbro get invalidated because the overwhelming majority of posts directly relating to them are My Little Pony ones?

That's the most likely reason tbh.

Quite honestly what might fix it is hasbro being only applied to NON-mlp hasbro content, such as pound puppies or something.

I wouldn't mind having Hasbro as a tag for all the hasbro related stuff, including my little pony. It would be useful for people to blacklist.

no_anus / no_pussy / no_penis / no_nipples - It's easy to view these tags along the lines of 'no_coconuts'; why go through and tag every image with things that are NOT in it, right? That's not what these particular sorts of tags are used for, though. People use them when you are seeing an image that anatomically SHOULD have one of these parts, but does not. A topless female with smooth breasts would be fairly tagged as 'no_nipples', for example. These tags should be brought back with good Wiki entries - someone has recently been on the forums asking about exactly this & I think they have a point.

featureless_breasts, featureless_crotch

Chaser said:

Sparkmane said:
first_time - this is a fetish for a lot of people, so as long as it is well-applied it should be allowed

How do we know it is first time?

Isn't that was the virgin tag is for?

no_naughty_bits

Chaser said:
rating:s -clothing

A lot of times these butthole-less critters are doing naughty, naughty things to people that have all theor parts/

cartoon

Would get invalidly tagged to stuff like thunder_cats.

Meh. I don't think 'toony' is a great tag either but this isn't really something i search for. Where does one draw the line, anyway?

commission

Irrelevant to the image.

Maybe so, but it would be supportive to the creators.

drawn

-3d_(artwork)

There is more than one kind of art style one would have to blacklist - but I really don't think this is an issuye anyway.

first_time

How do we know it is first time?

Only tag it if you can see it. Either someone is saying it, it's in the title of the image, or you see that little squirt of hymen blood. I don't like the hymen blood bit, but I do like some innocent sex and would like to be able to search for it.

fursona

Just as it says on the tin, pointless tag. Would be tagged on a ton of art and no one would search for it.

Personally, I would block it from certain searches. Some peoples fursonas look weird, especially when worked into commissions.

horror

nightmare_fuel. Ambiguous to if a character is scared or the image is scary.

'nightmare_fuel' seems like a troll tag, and also very objective. I find this image: post #804175 to be especially horrifying for some reason, but i feel like tagging it as nightmare_fuel would be an undue insult to the artist. Possibly undue. This one, however post #872901 is super spooky and has a scary feel to it, and I still feel like nightmare_fuel is inappropriate. Is there a spooky tag? I'd probably get the girl from Jumpscare Mansion if I looked for thaat.

genderfluid

No. See e621:tag_what_you_see_(explained).

Sometimes you can see it. I have a good friend who is obviously a man who goes to work in a floor-length skirt for reasons he does not fully explain. I like to assume that he has a huge dick that won't fit into trousers, but I'm not asking him about it. I understand tag what you see, but sometimes you can see this & so it should be tagged if you can.

no_bra

-bra

This brings up a problem with 'tag what you see'. If the girl has even a small t-shirt on, you're not going to visibly see a bra, and therefore not going to tag it with 'bra'. If you can't see that her breasts are uneven and/or that her nipples are poking through her shirt you don't know whether she's wearing one or not and there's nothing to tag - but sometimes the lack of a bra can be very visible, and can often be the point of the entire picture. This deserves its own tag; simply searching for things that don't contain the 'bra' tag will return virtually all the images on the site, excluding only lingerie shots and visible bra straps.
Now, if there's a better-worded tag for it, I can be all over that. What's the female equivalent of freeballin'?

no_naughty_bits (again)

rating:s

whoops, I put this on here twice

panel/panels

Comics sometimes do not have panels.

Sometimes they don't, and this alias would have no effect on them - but how many images have panels that would not be considered a comic in some way shape or form? I'm just saying auto-swap 'panel' or 'panels' to 'comic' instead of just invalidating those tags.

paywall

Not all paywall content is DNP. Sometimes it is censored images. People would abuse this tag.

I am sure you know better than me on this one so if you think it's a problem I'll take your word for it.

pervert

See voyeurism for this. A "pervert" tag would be abused.

Works for me.

tail

Majority of the images here have tails.

Yeah, tag bloat. Still, how do you search for images without tails? I guess that's probably a rare enough search that it's not worth considering.

transgender

No. See e621:tag_what_you_see_(explained).

Same as genderfluid. Sometimes you can see it.

whore

Tag would be used as an abusive tag.

If it gets automatically changed to 'prostitute' then the abusive word would never appear and people would take 'prostitute' off if it's not appropriate.

Thanks for taking the time to go through and give a good response to all my thoughts!

Blind_Guardian said:
featureless_breasts, featureless_crotch

Oh, there we go. I'll stick that over to the anus guy I mentioned.

ikdind said:
isn't that what the virgin tag is for?

What IS the virgin tag for? How do you know if someone's a virgin from the context of a photo unless they're saying so? If we're seeing their first time, they're not a virgin anymore. I guess 'deflowering' might be relevant, but only if it's a girl and they draw the blood, which is yech for me.

Sparkmane said:
What IS the virgin tag for? How do you know if someone's a virgin from the context of a photo unless they're saying so? If we're seeing their first time, they're not a virgin anymore. I guess 'deflowering' might be relevant, but only if it's a girl and they draw the blood, which is yech for me.

To this point, I would respond: What more were you expecting? Tagging is supposed to be TWYSNWYK, and that would apply to any "first_time"-like tag, as well.

So yes, the primary visual indicator is "deflowering" e.g. vaginal bleeding during penetration. Asides from that, the image would probably have to make it explicit in text or dialogue.

Sparkmane said:
panel/panels
Sometimes they don't, and this alias would have no effect on them - but how many images have panels that would not be considered a comic in some way shape or form? I'm just saying auto-swap 'panel' or 'panels' to 'comic' instead of just invalidating those tags.

Wall paneling and such, not just comic panels. Was invalidated before the disambiguation tags existed, and I doubt it's worth disambiguating at this point. Too rarely used.

Horror is far too subjective to keep, restoring it would only lead to more arguments about whether vore counts as horror by default, etc. I'm still voting for creation of tags such as eerie_ambiance (used in similar way as romantic_ambiance) to denote 'scary' settings and color schemes. As for characters who fall into the 'horror' category, we already have the monster tag for that. Though that's overtagged for things that aren't all that scary..

Everything else was already more or less answered.

Genjar said:
I'm still voting for creation of tags such as eerie_ambiance (used in similar way as romantic_ambiance) to denote 'scary' settings and color schemes.

Oh, I like that

Sparkmane said:

commission
Maybe so, but it would be supportive to the creators.

e621 is not the place to assist people in finding commissions. It is an art archival website. If people find a certain art style to be appealing they can check maker's website(s) via the source section as to whether or not said artist is accepting commissions.